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respect/trust - - 4/19/2007 4:54:12 PM   
marylynn


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Hello to the masses of CM and visitors. I have a question, that isn't an easy answer, but I wish to know people's opinions on the matter.. please.

I'm submissive/slave, first and foremost, just in case nobody has seen me before.

My question is about trust and respect.

Do you feel that trust should be given freely? if so, why..
Do you feel that respect should be automatically given? if so, why..

My answers are these:

"Do I feel that trust should be given freely" No. Just because you're a Dominant, doesn't give you the ~right~ to assume I'm going to trust you right off the bat.

"Do I feel that respect should automatically be given" No. Again, just because you SAY you're Dominant, doesn't mean it's your ~right~ to demand respect.

No-one is a doormat, not even the slave with no limits.

but I'm interested in everyone's views
discussion commence

~please~
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RE: respect/trust - - 4/19/2007 4:56:44 PM   
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I dont believe anyone automatically deserves trust or respect.  Both are earned. They arent necessarily difficult to earn, but they should most definately not be given blindly just becasue someone gives themselves a title and starts tossing around demands.

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RE: respect/trust - - 4/19/2007 5:05:49 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: marylynn

Do you feel that trust should be given freely? if so, why..


Nope. Trust should be give to people who you view as trustworthy.

Anything else is a contradiction to freedom of choice and consenting adults.

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Do you feel that respect should be automatically given? if so, why..


I think a certain degree of respect and courtesy should be given to everyone.

Nobody would like it or think I am proper if I were to just walk up to someone and go "Hey, assface!" just like if I were to demand special treatment because of my self claim to dominance.

Anything past this basic respect and courtesy is purely based on the person, whether dominant or submissive.

Once again, anything else is a contradiction to freedom of choice and consenting adults.



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RE: respect/trust - - 4/19/2007 5:08:02 PM   
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I've got a simple philosophy to life 'Don't trust anyone but trust the process of life" that works for me. I do however develop trust in different people/situations in different aspects of my life. Example, I trust that the supermarket is gonna have apples when I go down to buy them, I trust that Master isn't going to kill me..but those trusts I do develop come with time..thats just a natural thing.

In regards to respect, I have a general respect for all life and that includes human beings. I do have a respect for the roles people take on in life and that could include people within BDSM and the roles they play within it, dominant and submissive alike.

I don't think I'd like to know myself if I wasnt a respectful person.

I don't think being respectful has anything to do with being a door-mat.

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RE: respect/trust - - 4/19/2007 5:08:07 PM   
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Trust for me is EARNED especially with strangers, especially online.
It is earned and it don't come easy.
Better safe than sorry.
Better cautious and alive, then gullible and dead.


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RE: respect/trust - - 4/19/2007 5:11:23 PM   
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Nothing in life is a free lunch....... that includes trust and respect. 

Its got to be earned, just like everything else on this planet


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RE: respect/trust - - 4/19/2007 5:25:56 PM   
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I give some modicum of trust to people until the show they are not worth it anymore. As they show the trust was well placed then I'll trust them with more.

Now respect is different, in my eyes. I don't give anyone respect until I see that they are really worth respecting. I'll show them courtesy, but not out and out respect.

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RE: respect/trust - - 4/19/2007 5:26:37 PM   
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Greetings
 
Perhaps because I am in the military I tend to look at things differently. I give trust freely, and without any 'set conditions'. The same goes for respect. I am respectful and courteous to all, no matter what they choose to call themselves.
 
I wish you well
 
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RE: respect/trust - - 4/19/2007 5:42:29 PM   
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I am slow to trust others.  Like MrDiscipline, when I see that trust was well placed, I am apt to trust more.  Even in such cases, however, I have been proven wrong.  Sometimes as quite a surprise, too.

As for respecting others...I try to be respectful to all people, whether I respect them or not, but that tends to be a reflection of me, not them.  As a result, I bite my tongue a lot :)

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RE: respect/trust - - 4/19/2007 5:44:45 PM   
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quote:

As for respecting others...I try to be respectful to all people, whether I respect them or not, but that tends to be a reflection of me, not them.  As a result, I bite my tongue a lot :)

Greetings ownedgirlie
 
LOL, I sit on my hands alot to keep from answering; either that or I type it first in word and then copy it, that way, if it sounds REALLLLLLLLLY bad, I can just delete it
 
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RE: respect/trust - - 4/19/2007 5:57:00 PM   
hisannabelle


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greetings marylynn,

i do not believe trust or respect are or can be truly given freely. for me, they are things that must be earned or built over a period of time. when i trust someone, it's a subconscious process for me, and it's based on how i relate to them consciously and subconsciously and how they have treated me and how that affects me and my view of them. all of those things go into building trust for me. as far as respect, i will show respect in certain venues because it's expected, but to truly gain my respect, i have to see consistent displays of the qualities i consider valuable...there are many posters here, for example, who have my respect based on what i have seen in their posts. i don't feel that respect is something that can be given without observation or direct interaction. when i sign posts "respectfully," that is simply me trying to convey courtesy and deference in my posts, and to show that my posts are not meant to disrespect anyone or cause any strife. but in general, people i truly respect are ones i have had enough interaction with or have seen enough to know that they are the kind of people who embody the qualities i hold to be important.

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RE: respect/trust - - 4/19/2007 6:13:37 PM   
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I think your answers work.  No need to get overly complicated in analyzing it.  Pretty straightforward.

The whole "trust but verify" concept does have merit, ignoring who coined the phrase, in guiding some people.

As does "caveat emptor".  Just go into life with your eyes open, as you seem to be doing, and things will work out fine.

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RE: respect/trust - - 4/19/2007 6:23:10 PM   
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Trust and respect should never be a "given". It should always be earned. Its unrealistic to demand someone to trust you anyway( or vice versa). Anyone who makes such demands, i would avoid completely.. Probably the next demand is going to be sex in some form or meeting for sex. Someone that demands such things screams "IM A FAKE LOOKING FOR AN EASY LAY!" to me.

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RE: respect/trust - - 4/19/2007 6:24:45 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44

I give some modicum of trust to people until the show they are not worth it anymore. As they show the trust was well placed then I'll trust them with more.

Now respect is different, in my eyes. I don't give anyone respect until I see that they are really worth respecting. I'll show them courtesy, but not out and out respect.



Same here. 

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RE: respect/trust - - 4/19/2007 6:42:05 PM   
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I give trust and respect freely at the start but only to a certain point.  To go any further you have to earn the respect and trust.  If the least thing happens and it gets broken.  It is very doubtful it will ever be reestablished.


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RE: respect/trust - - 4/19/2007 6:42:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DiurnalVampire

I dont believe anyone automatically deserves trust or respect.  Both are earned.

DV


Well said DV. My feelings exactly.

Marilynn...
I used to give both to everyone until I found out the hard way. Once you get shit on a few times you'll start to make others earn your COMPLETE trust and respect over time. Give em a little in the beginning but hold the rest until it's earned....  jmo

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RE: respect/trust - - 4/19/2007 6:44:49 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: marylynn
Do you feel that trust should be given freely? if so, why..
Do you feel that respect should be automatically given? if so, why..


It's hard to answer these questions.

For the first one, about trust, it's not something that people can really decide for completely one way.  You'd be silly to trust someone completely at first glance, but it'd be impossible to have someone perfectly earn trust within the length of a human life.
I try to find a compromise.  I trust people, to a certain degree, yet considre everything said.  I do not use information given to me based on trust without stating the assumption before putting it back out again until a power trust has been established.

Respect certainly depends on the type.
For the first moments of interaction with another, I respect them as another individual- which doesn't say much, but much isn't necessary in the first moments outside of common decency.

After that, if I find a person to be lacking in disagreeable qualities at a level and scale I find dissatisfactory, I respect them as a person.
This is my typical "respect".  I can respect th way others live as it serves them and their right to live this way.  Their way of living, however, is either not in my path, or young in it, and thus less effective in arguments vital to me.

I respect very few as equals.  I doubt many passionate do.  I place high values in the things that matter to me, and, thus, have worked hard to achieve them.  I have relatively few equals in my chosen fields.  However, it's not impossible.  One particular poster on these boards, actually, earned this sort of trust from me last week, not that I imagine I've made it clear to this individual.
I hear their thoughts, ideas, and opinions on a level approximate to my own (cases may make it slightly less or more).  This is more than most people consider "respect".  This is a warm and amiable feeling as well.

I respect extremely few as superiors.  This is a category few have ever achieved.  I yield to superiors.  Their decisions outweigh mine.  Their thoughts, opinions, and ideas are carry more girth than mine own.
I have met few superiors in my life.  I've always been rather gifted- one superior to me is, in my eyes, virtually a god.  Most of my superiors were from early life, when I began my studies, and they obviously touched levels beyond me.  However, in late life, I've pretty much caught up to and surpassed these individuals.
This is far more than respect.  It's awe and admiration.

It should be mentioned I am not pig-headedly Dominant.  I simply am because my logic is typically far stronger than that of others, and, bluntly, Reason is my God.  I'm high-ranking in this field.  While I doubt I would enjoy being submissive, I would not enjoy dominating a superior.  I have seen it in the eyes of others, in my youth, that- that which I suspect my slaves and friends see in my own eyes- this calm understanding and the fury to pursue it.

I'm finding myself nearing my practical limits in my chosen fields.  I can no longer grow my leaps and bounds.  I well-expect to find a future youth to look up to me, as I had others, then surpass me.  I'll help them, as much as I can, as others have me.

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RE: respect/trust - - 4/19/2007 6:54:39 PM   
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quote:

I give some modicum of trust to people until the show they are not worth it anymore. As they show the trust was well placed then I'll trust them with more.

Now respect is different, in my eyes. I don't give anyone respect until I see that they are really worth respecting. I'll show them courtesy, but not out and out respect.

ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44


I think the same way.

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RE: respect/trust - - 4/19/2007 7:21:00 PM   
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I'd say that to some extent, you have to extend a bit of trust (or respect), to see if you can give more- rather like credit...

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RE: respect/trust - - 4/19/2007 7:25:18 PM   
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I dont assume or demand that anybody respect or trust me in any venue.

My personal guidelines that I insist on myself following include showing them the respect to trust/respect or not trust/respect as they see fit.

Just me, etc.

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