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RE: United again...Forces doc off an overbooked flight - 4/12/2017 5:29:17 PM   
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As far as legal action goes, punching a highly skilled professional in the head is just begging for trouble I'd have thought.

And what exactly is that high skill you refer to?

http://nypost.com/2017/04/11/doctor-dragged-off-flight-convicted-of-trading-drugs-for-sex/

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Dao’s own medical license was suspended in 2003 following his arrest on charges including unlawful prescribing and trafficking in a controlled substance.


Which has exactly zero to do with any of this.


From the perspective of how the airline handled the situation or the aftermath I would agree. However, at least from this article, it appears he's a scammer, now in a hospital bed for the media sake, who can't seem to miss the opportunity of a good scam. He'll probably make something from it. I don't believe he was punched as you state. I learned, as a child, that if a couple of cops tell you to do something that you should comply and complain later or this sort of thing tends to happen to you. He obviously escalated an already poor situation and seems to be still riding that horse. From the perspective of the situation as a whole, he has culpability. If you do examine all sides and not just the actions of the evil corporation it is clear that his contributions did not help the resolution of a bad situation.

I never said he was punched. However, I doubt that he miraculously planned this scam in the heat of the moment and managed to have everything go perfectly according to his plan despite none of it being within his control or being foreseeable.

He did not ask for this to happen nor did he do anything to bring it on. And UA violated their own procedures in the way they handled it. This is all on them.

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RE: United again...Forces doc off an overbooked flight - 4/12/2017 5:57:16 PM   
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UA is now reportedly refunding the fares of all the passengers in the flight that this happened on.

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RE: United again...Forces doc off an overbooked flight - 4/12/2017 6:02:24 PM   
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[b]The plane wasnt overbooked.[/b] In this case, the problem arose because United decided at the last minute to fly four members of staff to a connection point and needed to bump bitch slap four passengers to make way for them.


At this point, the airline could have identified another passenger for removal or raised its offer anywhere up to a maximum of $1,350.

Erin Benson, a spokeswoman for United, could not confirm whether other passengers were sought. She did confirm that no offer was made above $800 to the slant eyed asian, but could not comment on why.


Actually...it was (see your comments above regards the 4 UAL staff...ergo....overbooked).

(It's on the ticket).

It says you can be DENIED BOARDING.
he had already boarded.
(It's on your ticket)


Read the fine print.

(I'm not here to educate you).

I have.
Thank goodness you aren't here to educate me because you'd be doing a shit job.
It says you can be DENIED BOARDING (I typed that slowly just for you).
The flight was not overbooked.
Due to poor planning 4 employees needing a freebie needed to be put on at the last minute. This is not over booking, this is a brain fart on someone's part.
They decided to make their bad planning into someone else's emergency.
I have already explained that forcible confiscation of someone's purchased property because another person feels entitled to have it FREE is a LIBERAL practice.


Liberal.


The flight was overbooked.

It was overbooked because there was a United flight (delayed) in Chicago that needed additional flight crew.

Those flight crew....not arriving in Chicago...timely...would have delayed a flight with a similar number of passengers as the flight where this fellow was pulled off.

United owns that airplane.

That airplane could produce (in Chicago...by virtue of providing said 4 employees)...a flight that could then therefore cause said (concurring) flight to occur.

If you have any doubt about any of the above....see the red highlighted section above.

When you own the airplane (and don't sell tickets with fine print that allows you to cause other flights....in airplanes that you own....to arrive on time by virtue of putting your staff in same)....feel free to be butt hurt.

Until then...United was in the right.

It sucked. It was awful for the fellow that got pulled off the plane (that was owned by United).

The man who bought a ticket....agreed to the terms.

(Call the waaaaaaaambulance).

Thus endeth the lesson ###END###

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RE: United again...Forces doc off an overbooked flight - 4/12/2017 6:24:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

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[b]The plane wasnt overbooked.[/b] In this case, the problem arose because United decided at the last minute to fly four members of staff to a connection point and needed to bump bitch slap four passengers to make way for them.


At this point, the airline could have identified another passenger for removal or raised its offer anywhere up to a maximum of $1,350.

Erin Benson, a spokeswoman for United, could not confirm whether other passengers were sought. She did confirm that no offer was made above $800 to the slant eyed asian, but could not comment on why.


Actually...it was (see your comments above regards the 4 UAL staff...ergo....overbooked).

(It's on the ticket).

It says you can be DENIED BOARDING.
he had already boarded.
(It's on your ticket)


Read the fine print.

(I'm not here to educate you).

I have.
Thank goodness you aren't here to educate me because you'd be doing a shit job.
It says you can be DENIED BOARDING (I typed that slowly just for you).
The flight was not overbooked.
Due to poor planning 4 employees needing a freebie needed to be put on at the last minute. This is not over booking, this is a brain fart on someone's part.
They decided to make their bad planning into someone else's emergency.
I have already explained that forcible confiscation of someone's purchased property because another person feels entitled to have it FREE is a LIBERAL practice.


Liberal.


The flight was overbooked.

It was overbooked because there was a United flight (delayed) in Chicago that needed additional flight crew.

Those flight crew....not arriving in Chicago...timely...would have delayed a flight with a similar number of passengers as the flight where this fellow was pulled off.

United owns that airplane.

That airplane could produce (in Chicago...by virtue of providing said 4 employees)...a flight that could then therefore cause said (concurring) flight to occur.

If you have any doubt about any of the above....see the red highlighted section above.

When you own the airplane (and don't sell tickets with fine print that allows you to cause other flights....in airplanes that you own....to arrive on time by virtue of putting your staff in same)....feel free to be butt hurt.

Until then...United was in the right.

It sucked. It was awful for the fellow that got pulled off the plane (that was owned by United).

The man who bought a ticket....agreed to the terms.

(Call the waaaaaaaambulance).

Thus endeth the lesson ###END###

As cited above, they violated their own rules.
Seriously, I don't know if your liberalism, your ignorance or your corporate bootlicking is taking center stage.
If they did things right, how come ALL 3 of the security agents are now suspended AND they are refunding fares for the whole planeload of people?
You're sounding like bosco. Lying about things to cover up your abject ignorance.



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RE: United again...Forces doc off an overbooked flight - 4/12/2017 6:26:51 PM   
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UA is now reportedly refunding the fares of all the passengers in the flight that this happened on.

Gee, they must have done everything right and by the rules otherwise they would be in damage control mode (sarcasm font )

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RE: United again...Forces doc off an overbooked flight - 4/12/2017 7:12:26 PM   
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UA is now reportedly refunding the fares of all the passengers in the flight that this happened on.

Gee, they must have done everything right and by the rules otherwise they would be in damage control mode (sarcasm font )

The day that we have to have such a heated debate over whether it was okay to brutalize a guy whose sole crime was his expectation for a company to fulfill their service for which he had already paid is the day that I truly begin to fear for the world that my son will find himself in as an adult.

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RE: United again...Forces doc off an overbooked flight - 4/12/2017 8:53:27 PM   
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but but corporations are people...

sorry Wayward, I agree with you, that this discussion has taken place...says so much
Apart from the fact people think its ok that he was treated in such a way, its past time that people stop saying "free market" works for anyone but the corporations.

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RE: United again...Forces doc off an overbooked flight - 4/12/2017 9:55:16 PM   
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This kind of thing puts me into my cynicism zone, somebody wanted to go short on UA stock.

UA book (stock) value dropped $800 million over this, so somebody made bundle over the last 24 hrs.


You mean like.. maybe someone on the plane (who owns/trades stocks) saw this happening, video recorded it & shorted the stock quickly, perhaps even before the plane took off & then posted the vid all over the internet???? I could see that happening, or other quick thinking people shorting the stock at the beginning of this news taking off (no pun intended).. you dont need to be a genius to see this "incident" as a pretty good bet on dragging the stock down if it goes viral.. and United keeps making it worse.. not to mention possible lawsuit(s) & the govt investigating, etc.. Those pics of the passenger with his glasses askew and blood streaming down his face do not make for good PR.. the comedians now have some new material (Fallon has already jumped on that).. Trump must be relieved..

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RE: United again...Forces doc off an overbooked flight - 4/13/2017 4:37:12 AM   
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The flight was overbooked.

It was overbooked because there was a United flight (delayed) in Chicago that needed additional flight crew.

Those flight crew....not arriving in Chicago...timely...would have delayed a flight with a similar number of passengers as the flight where this fellow was pulled off.

United owns that airplane.

That airplane could produce (in Chicago...by virtue of providing said 4 employees)...a flight that could then therefore cause said (concurring) flight to occur.

If you have any doubt about any of the above....see the red highlighted section above.

When you own the airplane (and don't sell tickets with fine print that allows you to cause other flights....in airplanes that you own....to arrive on time by virtue of putting your staff in same)....feel free to be butt hurt.

Until then...United was in the right.

It sucked. It was awful for the fellow that got pulled off the plane (that was owned by United).

The man who bought a ticket....agreed to the terms.

(Call the waaaaaaaambulance).

Thus endeth the lesson ###END###


United is NOT in the right for causing injury to this man. If he refuse to leave the plane. They could have send their employees on a vehicle to where they need to go to. As it's just 4 hours. And their flight is the next day apparently. They would have gotten to their flight in time in a driven vehicle.

They simply put their own staff comfort ABOVE a FULL PRICED PAYING CUSTOMER.

That is where they are wrong! Every company needs to have PR too! And they failed extremely badly here.

And it's a frail 69 yr old dude for gawd's sake! What bullies!!

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RE: United again...Forces doc off an overbooked flight - 4/13/2017 4:41:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tj444


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This kind of thing puts me into my cynicism zone, somebody wanted to go short on UA stock.

UA book (stock) value dropped $800 million over this, so somebody made bundle over the last 24 hrs.


You mean like.. maybe someone on the plane (who owns/trades stocks) saw this happening, video recorded it & shorted the stock quickly, perhaps even before the plane took off & then posted the vid all over the internet???? I could see that happening, or other quick thinking people shorting the stock at the beginning of this news taking off (no pun intended).. you dont need to be a genius to see this "incident" as a pretty good bet on dragging the stock down if it goes viral.. and United keeps making it worse.. not to mention possible lawsuit(s) & the govt investigating, etc.. Those pics of the passenger with his glasses askew and blood streaming down his face do not make for good PR.. the comedians now have some new material (Fallon has already jumped on that).. Trump must be relieved..


Well, UA is world wide renown for worst customer service. I remember this since a kid like 12 yr old. It looks like nothing has change. They are still the worst. I remembered as a kid flying UA and all their staff got attitude problems like they hate their jobs.

So it would be quite a good bet that they will always fuck things up where PR is concern. They got ZERO PR skills at all!

But how do they plant a guy and get him chosen to be off loaded the plane? How can they predict this plane will be full? I would love to know how this was pulled off.

Two airlines I feel suck the worst. Qantas and UA.

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RE: United again...Forces doc off an overbooked flight - 4/13/2017 6:31:55 AM   
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The flight was overbooked.

It was overbooked because there was a United flight (delayed) in Chicago that needed additional flight crew.

Those flight crew....not arriving in Chicago...timely...would have delayed a flight with a similar number of passengers as the flight where this fellow was pulled off.

United owns that airplane.

That airplane could produce (in Chicago...by virtue of providing said 4 employees)...a flight that could then therefore cause said (concurring) flight to occur.

If you have any doubt about any of the above....see the red highlighted section above.

When you own the airplane (and don't sell tickets with fine print that allows you to cause other flights....in airplanes that you own....to arrive on time by virtue of putting your staff in same)....feel free to be butt hurt.

Until then...United was in the right.

It sucked. It was awful for the fellow that got pulled off the plane (that was owned by United).

The man who bought a ticket....agreed to the terms.

(Call the waaaaaaaambulance).

Thus endeth the lesson ###END###

As cited above, they violated their own rules.
Seriously, I don't know if your liberalism, your ignorance or your corporate bootlicking is taking center stage.
If they did things right, how come ALL 3 of the security agents are now suspended AND they are refunding fares for the whole planeload of people?
You're sounding like bosco. Lying about things to cover up your abject ignorance.



it was (apparently) more than United violating their own "rules", it was ILLEGAL according to a lawyer who sued shite corps like Bank of America (& won his clients part of BofA's 16 Billion fraud settlement)... so I think he may just know what he is talking about.. and, now we are hearing of other people who were already boarded being told to get off (or get taken off in handcuffs).. even in first class, apparently, so someone "more important" could board at the last minute.. geeze, if you can afford a first class ticket then you can afford to fly with a different airline, what doesnt United understand about that?..

"“It’s illegal,” Mahany, who was part of a $16.6 billion fraud settlement with Bank of America in 2015 and specializes in consumer protection, told International Business Times in an interview Wednesday. “You can’t remove, under the current rules, a passenger once they’re seated on the aircraft. You can deny them entry if you’re overbooked, but once they’re on the aircraft, it’s a completely different set of rules.

United, like all airlines, has protocol in place for overbooking incidents, said Mahany. Under United’s Rule 25: Denied Boarding Compensation, the airline lays out its responsibilities in dealing with an overbooked flight, but the rule deals only with passengers who have not yet boarded the plane.

Per these rules, the company would have had to deny entry to the passenger before, not after, he boarded the plane. In order to require someone to leave the plane who is already seated, Mahany said, they would need to provide a lawful reason.

“If they’re not dressed appropriately, if they have certain communicable diseases, if they’re drunk, if they’re violent, you can remove them,” he said. “If they don’t turn off their cell phone when they’re supposed to, you can remove them. If they won’t obey lawful instructions from a crew member, you can remove them. But telling someone, ‘Hey, we’ve overbooked, get off the plane,’ that wouldn’t be a lawful instruction.”

LawNewz, a website run by legal correspondent Dan Abrams, agreed that the company acted illegally when it forced the passenger to de-plane. The Department of Transportation's Office of Aviation Enforcement and Proceedings said in a statement Tuesday that it had begun reviewing what happened on the flight."


https://www.yahoo.com/news/united-airlines-dragging-passenger-off-201302721.html

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RE: United again...Forces doc off an overbooked flight - 4/13/2017 6:46:04 AM   
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CNN is reporting that according to unnamed sources who worked in the Obama White House, President Trump has a former campaign volunteer who flew on United Airlines ounce...

Democrats are demanding a full Senate investigation

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RE: United again...Forces doc off an overbooked flight - 4/13/2017 6:48:32 AM   
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You're only good at making up silly things.

Meanwhile, the GOP in Congress continually blocks passengers' rights bills.

Since you want to turn this partisan.

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RE: United again...Forces doc off an overbooked flight - 4/13/2017 6:50:27 AM   
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You're only good at making up silly things.

Meanwhile, the GOP in Congress continually blocks passengers' rights bills.

Since you want to turn this partisan.


THATS what this country needs

Centralized micromanagement

"All heil"

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RE: United again...Forces doc off an overbooked flight - 4/13/2017 7:00:24 AM   
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It's pretty fucking bad when even a bunch of Arabs can troll someone for mistreating others.
http://nesn.com/2017/04/emirates-blatantly-troll-united-airlines-with-this-new-commercial/

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RE: United again...Forces doc off an overbooked flight - 4/13/2017 7:02:25 AM   
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You're only good at making up silly things.

Meanwhile, the GOP in Congress continually blocks passengers' rights bills.

Since you want to turn this partisan.


THATS what this country needs

Centralized micromanagement

"All heil"

Yeah. That's why we never pass laws in this country.

Preserves the right to attack each other.

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RE: United again...Forces doc off an overbooked flight - 4/13/2017 7:04:02 AM   
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capitalism at its finest
where corporations can beat up their customers.

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RE: United again...Forces doc off an overbooked flight - 4/13/2017 7:28:20 AM   
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but but corporations are people...

sorry Wayward, I agree with you, that this discussion has taken place...says so much
Apart from the fact people think its ok that he was treated in such a way, its past time that people stop saying "free market" works for anyone but the corporations.

Oh ya....and starving in Venezuela with no toilet paper is such a better life. Or...wait...being in a reeducation camp in North Korea, or in jail in China. Of course starving in Cuba or the old Soviet Union was so much better as well. What an idiot.

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RE: United again...Forces doc off an overbooked flight - 4/13/2017 7:34:21 AM   
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but but corporations are people...

sorry Wayward, I agree with you, that this discussion has taken place...says so much
Apart from the fact people think its ok that he was treated in such a way, its past time that people stop saying "free market" works for anyone but the corporations.

Oh ya....and starving in Venezuela with no toilet paper is such a better life. Or...wait...being in a reeducation camp in North Korea, or in jail in China. Of course starving in Cuba or the old Soviet Union was so much better as well. What an idiot.


Here, as capitalists, we have a choice - ignore the propaganda and take advantage of discounts, and fly United... Or don't.

Under Crazy Lucy's ideal system, as you say - you cannot even find toilet paper. And the information you have access to, is only that propaganda Dear Leader allows you to have

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RE: United again...Forces doc off an overbooked flight - 4/13/2017 7:45:01 AM   
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UA is now reportedly refunding the fares of all the passengers in the flight that this happened on.

Let me guess -- if they sign agreeing not to discuss the incident.

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