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tamaka -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/16/2016 6:44:09 PM)

I think Obama missed an opportunity to tell the blacks to start taking a serious look at themselves. Maybe less than 1% of black deaths are from a cop shooting a black man. 99% of black violent deaths are from blacks killing blacks. They need to work on their own problems.




Lucylastic -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/16/2016 7:04:48 PM)

oh dear.




Termyn8or -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/16/2016 7:48:01 PM)

Oh dear what ?

T^T




tamaka -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/16/2016 8:07:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

oh dear.


What?




bounty44 -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/20/2016 5:23:50 PM)

"Are Bannon’s Critics For Real? Inventor of term "Alt Right" explains why Bannon critics are full of hot air."

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I’m beginning this commentary on the recent assaults on Steve Bannon by quoting my response to questions that a CNN-Digital reporter asked me concerning President-elect Trump’s friend and adviser:

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There’s no indication that Steve Bannon, the Breitbart executive and Donald Trump adviser, who has been characterized as a white nationalist, is a racist or anti-Semite. Bannon is not a white identitarian or race realist. He comes from the world of Washington politics and journalism, not white identity politics. Although I don’t know the man, I doubt Bannon hangs out with people who burn crosses on other people’s lawns.

I expressed this view, more or less, not only to CNN-Digital. I also expressed it in a phone-call marathon to representatives of a Danish daily and the Jewish Forward and, in an hour and a half German conversation, with an editor of the German conservative weekly Junge Freiheit. In all these exchanges I had to answer the question of whether Steve Bannon was in fact an anti-Semite and racist, a judgment that was coming from, among others, such exemplary American “conservatives” as Glenn Beck, Jonah Goldberg, and writers for the Wall Street Journal. I was also asked whether as the co-inventor of the term “Alternative Right,” which has now been shortened to “Altright,” I could tell if Bannon, who likes the term in question, enjoys the company of “white nationalists.”

I tried to explain that the exceedingly elastic term “Altright” has been claimed by a number of groups that belong to the non-establishment Right. All those on the Right who are at war with the GOP establishment and neoconservative politics and who are combatting PC with particular ferocity have embraced the designation “Altright.” This is especially true of Millennials who scorn establishmentarian positions. But it’s not at all clear to me that those who write for Bannon’s website publication, some of whom are Orthodox Jews, have much to do with white identitarians who also use the term “Altright.” I would doubt that these writers go out to drink with the Philonazi blogger Matt Heimbach, who also claims the Altright moniker.

Like David Horowitz, David Goldman, Rudolf Giuliani, and dozens of other commentators, I find the charges leveled against Bannon to be outrageous slander. I am also horrified by the double standard in play when Bannon, who may or may not have complained to a now divorced wife about Jewish students in a private school, is depicted as the reincarnation of Hitler. At the same time, attacks on Jews or other ethnic groups coming from the Left are given short shrift by the media.
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Disparaging descriptions of blacks, Latinos, and Catholics that have emanated from Hillary’s staff (and which have been revealed by Wikileak) occasioned a yawn from the mass media here and in Europe. And so has Hillary’s hateful obscenity about her husband’s Jewish campaign manager, which has never received the same critical scrutiny as Steve Bannon’s totally fictitious anti-Semitism and racism. What would happen to Bannon’s or any Republican’s career if, like Hillary, he referred to someone as a “f-cking Jew bastard”? Presumably that person would not be the darling of the media establishment and the presidential candidate of George H.W. Bush, Robert Kagan, Max Boot and Alan Dershowitz.

I intend to raise these questions the next time someone calls on me as an expert on the Altright who can document Steve Bannon’s possible connection to neo-Nazi websites. Perhaps the interviewers would be interested in knowing what Hillary and John Podesta said about certain groups. Even more relevant, they might want me to explain how it came to pass that the Democratic National Committee is about to nominate as its new director Congressman Keith Ellison, a Muslim convert and close friend of Louis Farrakhan. Ellison is entirely explicit in his anti-white and anti-Jewish views and unlike Bannon, does not require reinvention to be turned into what he’s not. The fact that Ellison is heartily endorsed by such presumed idealists as Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren is not likely to hurt the reputations of either social justice warrior.

But one must wonder what would happen to a Republican politician who praised David Duke as warmly as Warren and Sanders have extolled the firebrand Keith Ellison. Why are the Black Muslims less distasteful racists than the white supremacist Duke, who by the way quit the Ku Klux Klan decades ago but who remains a code word for (Republican) racism? Or why does Al Sharpton remain a respected confidant of Democratic political leaders, after leading a black race riot against Jewish merchants in Harlem and after engaging in other demagogic incitements to racial violence. (All of Sharpton’s misdeeds are meticulously listed and documented in Carl Horowitz’s Sharpton: The Rise of a Demagogue.)

Meanwhile Steve Bannon is condemned internationally for having possibly said, at least according to an estranged wife, that he objected to spoiled Jewish students in a private school? Perhaps the kids there were spoiled. Why should I even care what he said on this subject, if he really said it? Another accusation leveled against Bannon is that he allowed Bill Kristol, who made a fetish of belittling Donald Trump, to be attacked as a “renegade Jew.” But that charge, hardly a proof of anti-Semitism, came from the fervently pro-Israeli David Horowitz. In a recent comment Horowitz laments that the “Left has lost touch with the American people.”

Given the Left’s ridiculous double standards, one has to wonder on what planet the Left and the rest of Bannon’s haters are standing.


http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/264872/are-bannons-critics-real-paul-gottfried

Paul Gottfried is Raffensperger Professor of Humanities Emeritus at Elizabethtown College, where he taught for twenty-five years. He is a Guggenheim recipient and a Yale PhD. He writes for many websites and scholarly journals and is the author of thirteen books, most recently Fascism: Career of a Concept. His books have been translated into multiple languages and seem to enjoy special success in Eastern Europe. Gottfried is the founder and current president of the H.L. Mencken Club, an organization for independent-minded intellectuals of the Right that meets annually near Baltimore.




Wayward5oul -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/20/2016 5:53:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

I think Obama missed an opportunity to tell the blacks to start taking a serious look at themselves. Maybe less than 1% of black deaths are from a cop shooting a black man. 99% of black violent deaths are from blacks killing blacks. They need to work on their own problems.

Can you please provide a credible citation for that?

Let me also make it clear that I am not interested in trading insults back and forth-I am interested in a citation for a statistic you have provided. Factual information. I have no need or interest in the other.




bounty44 -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/20/2016 5:56:49 PM)

i trust "99% of black violent deaths are from blacks killing blacks" is not meant to be taken literally in the statistical sense, but rather simply that the majority of black violent deaths are indeed from other blacks as opposed to from whites---and the liberals constantly get up in arms about the latter (because of raaaaaaaaaaaaacism) and not the former.

the statistics speaking to that, have been shared in the threads a number of times.




Wayward5oul -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/20/2016 6:34:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

i trust "99% of black violent deaths are from blacks killing blacks" is not meant to be taken literally in the statistical sense, but rather simply that the majority of black violent deaths are indeed from other blacks as opposed to from whites---and the liberals constantly get up in arms about the latter (because of raaaaaaaaaaaaacism) and not the former.

the statistics speaking to that, have been shared in the threads a number of times.

Thank you, but I am interested in what tamaka has to say on it.




tamaka -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/20/2016 6:43:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

I think Obama missed an opportunity to tell the blacks to start taking a serious look at themselves. Maybe less than 1% of black deaths are from a cop shooting a black man. 99% of black violent deaths are from blacks killing blacks. They need to work on their own problems.

Can you please provide a credible citation for that?

Let me also make it clear that I am not interested in trading insults back and forth-I am interested in a citation for a statistic you have provided. Factual information. I have no need or interest in the other.



http://americanfreepress.net/in-just-35-years-232000-u-s-blacks-killed-by-other-blacks/






Wayward5oul -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/20/2016 7:22:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

I think Obama missed an opportunity to tell the blacks to start taking a serious look at themselves. Maybe less than 1% of black deaths are from a cop shooting a black man. 99% of black violent deaths are from blacks killing blacks. They need to work on their own problems.

Can you please provide a credible citation for that?

Let me also make it clear that I am not interested in trading insults back and forth-I am interested in a citation for a statistic you have provided. Factual information. I have no need or interest in the other.



http://americanfreepress.net/in-just-35-years-232000-u-s-blacks-killed-by-other-blacks/




I am having trouble finding the numbers that you cited. Could you elaborate?




blacksword404 -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/20/2016 9:48:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

I think Obama missed an opportunity to tell the blacks to start taking a serious look at themselves. Maybe less than 1% of black deaths are from a cop shooting a black man. 99% of black violent deaths are from blacks killing blacks. They need to work on their own problems.


As do you since most cops are killed by white men. Or do blue lives not matter unless it's the wrong color of people killing them?




tamaka -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/20/2016 10:19:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: blacksword404


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

I think Obama missed an opportunity to tell the blacks to start taking a serious look at themselves. Maybe less than 1% of black deaths are from a cop shooting a black man. 99% of black violent deaths are from blacks killing blacks. They need to work on their own problems.


As do you since most cops are killed by white men. Or do blue lives not matter unless it's the wrong color of people killing them?


I agree. It was a missed opportunity to confront this issue as well. Perhaps Trump will do better.




blacksword404 -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/20/2016 11:25:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: blacksword404


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

I think Obama missed an opportunity to tell the blacks to start taking a serious look at themselves. Maybe less than 1% of black deaths are from a cop shooting a black man. 99% of black violent deaths are from blacks killing blacks. They need to work on their own problems.


As do you since most cops are killed by white men. Or do blue lives not matter unless it's the wrong color of people killing them?


I agree. It was a missed opportunity to confront this issue as well. Perhaps Trump will do better.



I doubt he actually gives a fuck.




bounty44 -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/21/2016 2:09:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

i trust "99% of black violent deaths are from blacks killing blacks" is not meant to be taken literally in the statistical sense, but rather simply that the majority of black violent deaths are indeed from other blacks as opposed to from whites---and the liberals constantly get up in arms about the latter (because of raaaaaaaaaaaaacism) and not the former.

the statistics speaking to that, have been shared in the threads a number of times.

Thank you, but I am interested in what tamaka has to say on it.



given what you said to her in a response that followed your response to me here, it seems more like you are looking for a "gotcha" moment because, as I said, she was speaking generally as opposed to literally, and those "general" numbers are indeed in the link she provided.




areallivehuman -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/21/2016 2:54:53 AM)

While I believe that there are some bad individual policemen, the real problem is the environment they work in.

Overall, the ghettos need fixing worse than the police need fixing.




BamaD -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/21/2016 3:58:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: blacksword404


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

I think Obama missed an opportunity to tell the blacks to start taking a serious look at themselves. Maybe less than 1% of black deaths are from a cop shooting a black man. 99% of black violent deaths are from blacks killing blacks. They need to work on their own problems.


As do you since most cops are killed by white men. Or do blue lives not matter unless it's the wrong color of people killing them?

Four cops have been ambushed in the last two days, at least one killed , two still in the hospital, one with minor injuries. I don;t know what race any of the attackers were and don't care, two are dead and the other two should be whether they are black, white, or purple.




Lucylastic -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/21/2016 4:41:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

i trust "99% of black violent deaths are from blacks killing blacks" is not meant to be taken literally in the statistical sense, but rather simply that the majority of black violent deaths are indeed from other blacks as opposed to from whites---and the liberals constantly get up in arms about the latter (because of raaaaaaaaaaaaacism) and not the former.

the statistics speaking to that, have been shared in the threads a number of times.

Thank you, but I am interested in what tamaka has to say on it.



given what you said to her in a response that followed your response to me here, it seems more like you are looking for a "gotcha" moment because, as I said, she was speaking generally as opposed to literally, and those "general" numbers are indeed in the link she provided.

Im not surprised that you are making excuses for her figures being "general" (otherwise known as wrong)
making false claims is bullshit no matter who you spin it.






Kirata -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/21/2016 5:14:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul
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ORIGINAL: tamaka

99% of black violent deaths are from blacks killing blacks

Can you please provide a credible citation for that?

Well since nobody seems to be stepping up to the plate, the 2014 FBI homicide data for race of victim and offender shows that of 2,451 blacks murdered in 2014, the offender was black in 2,205 cases where the race of the offender was known, or 90% (not 99%). For white victims, the offender was white in 82% of cases where the race of the offender was known.

Expanded Homicide Data Table 6

K.








mnottertail -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/21/2016 5:53:05 AM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

i trust "99% of black violent deaths are from blacks killing blacks" is not meant to be taken literally in the statistical sense, but rather simply that the majority of black violent deaths are indeed from other blacks as opposed to from whites---and the liberals constantly get up in arms about the latter (because of raaaaaaaaaaaaacism) and not the former.

the statistics speaking to that, have been shared in the threads a number of times.

Thank you, but I am interested in what tamaka has to say on it.



given what you said to her in a response that followed your response to me here, it seems more like you are looking for a "gotcha" moment because, as I said, she was speaking generally as opposed to literally, and those "general" numbers are indeed in the link she provided.

And the overwhelming majority of white deaths are whites killing whites.

More American people have been killed by white men than have been killed by islamic terrorists. This is no issue? This is not the biggest issue?




WhoreMods -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/21/2016 5:56:01 AM)

This is a "gotcha moment" in the Sarah Palin sense of getting whinily butthurt because somebody's caught the whiner lying outrageously and implausibly about something?




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