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Termyn8or -> Unite The Country ? (11/15/2016 8:21:16 PM)

With Trump in office (almost) Blacks see oppression coming. I say nip that in the bud and make it clear the police abuse will no longer be tolerated. Every cop in the land wears a bodycam that cannot be turned off. The data therefrom is not only saved but transmitted to a federal database. The data are retrievable even if the local yokels erase it.

If you are a clerk in a grocery store you are almost always on camera. Some place if you carry a purse it must be see through. Yet these people we let out there on the streets with guns and a license to kill are above reproach, when Presidents are not. gotcha

Bottom line, if I were Trump right ow I would be looking at something to do for Blacks. Not affirmative action, but something about law enforcement.

Let's see what Al Sharpton has to say about that. And one day a bodycam will show some Black dude pulling a gun on a cop and the cop shooting him in self defense and Rev. Al will say the camera was racist. Gimme a fucking break.

T^T




Termyn8or -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/15/2016 8:48:15 PM)

I mean like an abuse of power federal statute with like a thirty year sentence.

You know they say the death sentence is not a good deterrent because A, people don't think they are going to get caught and B, they are suicidal. Usually. If they take the time and trouble to kill someone, along with the slight risk of getting caught (usually) and all that, but cops and judges are not going to go live out in the woods. Some cops might.

Abuse of power, minimum 15 years, abuse of power with a gun, 30, abuse of power and beating a suspect more than necessary (like when there are three cops and one guy on the ground handcuffed and they are kicking him) tack a few more years on.

I think that would be a good first step. Think of it, bad cops would be uncovered some, good cops dealig with people of ay color who need to get shot will love this. From the camera in their pocket they can say "Now watch THIS part !".

You know how they say be careful with your guns ? Well the cops are just as lethal, ummm, hopefully. If they can shoot. (41 rounds for a guy with a knife, they will never live that down)

More later.

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Edwird -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/16/2016 12:12:07 AM)


Termy ...

Just please quit worrying.

All those protesters are hyperventilating, please don't get caught up in it. Trump started it, his opposers are trying to carry it on ... Don't embrace the contagion.

You know as well as I do, many of those Trump voters were just mentally tuned in to a political variant of WWE Smack Down! the whole time, and that was their only interest in the affair. If I gave a shit at all, I might find disappointment in behavior the protesters. But I don't. Especially regarding the former.

We have to admit, Trump got it right in some ways regarding the plight of the American worker, but getting the losers in this country to think that all they have to do is gang beat up a Mexican or a Muslim to make all our troubles go away is not effective nor productive as to remedy. It be a long slow slog to right this ship, so let's just take the time and dig through the process, then.

You nor I are going to be around whether things finally get right or finally we just write ourselves off as the latest of failed experiments, so why get all in a twist about it? Speaking to myself, here.

Don't you have some brat nephews and nieces? I do, and they give me hope for the world.

I took my brat niece (sorry, I called them 'brat' all the time and it made them giggle, boys and girls) to a Natural Skills weekend a few times. We learned twining from bark to make a string, then string to rope, learned basic flint knapping, how to make fire w/no matches, make immediate-need shelter from branches and leaves, how to identify edible plants, etc.

Gold and bullets do nothing for sustenance by themselves. Guns do, if you think you're going to starve w/o any meat, but I went ten years w/o that already, so I'm ahead of the game.

I hate sleeping on the ground now, I'd rather have my comfy bed, etc. but at least I've done it already. If it had to be done, I can do it.

Don't worry Termy.

And for gosh sakes just STFU protesters. Three days is great, I hear you, etc. Go make some guacamole now. Please.












KenDckey -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/16/2016 1:46:43 AM)

TITLE 18, U.S.C., SECTION 242

Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, ... shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnaping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

You mean this law?




Musicmystery -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/16/2016 4:33:20 AM)

~FR~

Probably hiring a white supremacist as his senior advisor didn't exactly reassure them.

Ya think?

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/442189/steve-bannon-trump-administration-alt-right-breitbart-chief-strategist




bounty44 -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/16/2016 5:28:04 AM)

if the left didn't see raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacism practically under every rock, serious conversation might be had on the issue.

see "the boy who cried wolf" for future reference.

meanwhile, Herman Cain: 'Steve Bannon is not a white supremacist’

of course herman cain's an uncle tom so what does he know?




Musicmystery -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/16/2016 5:37:56 AM)

Under every rock? From a white supremacist?

Cain and partisan hacks can say what they will -- Bannon's work speaks for itself.

Goodbye, Comrade.




bounty44 -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/16/2016 6:12:15 AM)

"Obsession with Race is Stretching Beyond Reason"

quote:

Some recent headlines:

"The Electoral College is an instrument of white supremacy -- and sexism," exclaimed Slate magazine.

CNN: "Math is racist: How data is driving inequality."

From the NBC affiliate in Oklahoma: "'To be white is to be racist,' Norman student offended by teacher's lecture."

Wow, things are bad here in America. Maybe I should move to Canada? Uh oh, from Heat Street: "Canoes reek of genocide, theft and white privilege, says Canadian professor."

Is there no place safe from white supremacy? Let me check the Huffington Post. "North Korea proves your white male privilege is not universal."

In other words, going by the headlines, you'd think everything is about race. Or, as the Harvard Crimson put it, "Everything is about race."

You might say this is a cheap technique. Headlines are supposed to be provocative, particularly in the age of clickbaiting that passes for much of what we call journalism. Let us look to the academy, where cool reason rules.

(Hey, stop laughing. I haven't even gotten to the punch line yet).

Over at the Journal of Applied Philosophy, we're told that condemning racism is -- wait for it -- racist.

"The moralization of racism that often permeates philosophical scholarship reproduces colorblind logics, which provide individualistic explanations for structural problems, thereby sustaining white dominance," writes Marzia Milazzo in an article titled "On white ignorance, white shame and other pitfalls in critical philosophy of race."

Milazzo's claim is hardly controversial in the hothouse alternative universe of higher education. What Milazzo calls "colorblind logics" hold everybody to equal standards of fact and reason. This wacky notion is the wellspring from which we got the scientific revolution, the Enlightenment, the rule of law, doctrines of universal human rights, the abolition of slavery, the emancipation of women, the civil rights movement, the concept of free speech and unprecedented material prosperity.

Reason is the tool that brings us consensus, appeals to our conscience and keeps us from returning to the jungle.

It all reminds me of that great scene from "Monty Python's Life of Brian" where a revolutionary asks, "What has the Roman Empire ever done for us?" A comrade lists a bunch of things, and the man replies, "All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh-water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?"

Activists today are clear-cutting vast swaths of civil society to make room for reason-free zones where feelings outrank facts -- they call them "safe spaces." And if they had their druthers, the entirety of the continent, if not the globe, would be one giant beanbag chair-strewn realm of hugging and unapologetic whining.

Seemingly every day there's another story of a college campus caving into the notion that free speech and unhappy facts are racist.

The election of Donald Trump, a man I could not have been more critical of, has turned the safe spaces into kinds of internal refugee camps where the weeping delicate flowers can wilt in terror.

I did not like how Trump talked about issues of race. Some of his most ardent supporters have views on race that I find abhorrent. But they constitute a tiny minority of his coalition. Just consider that if you subtracted from Trump's column all of the voters who had also previously voted for Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton surely would have won.

If you think everything you don't like is racist, then of course the election of a president you don't like has to be racist.

Here's some free advice for all the liberals insisting that Trump was elected by racists: The more you say that, the more you help Trump.

I can understand why this is confusing. There's a certain breed of guilty white liberal who actually enjoy being called racist, confessing their racial sins and denouncing less advanced white people. The hot new term for this is "virtue signaling" -- a way of communicating how enlightened you are.

But there are a lot more white people out there who are not racist and therefore do not like being called racist or being berated about how their country is racist. They also sense that the "everything is about race" crowd is using race as a cudgel to silence critics and have their way.

That sort of thing begs for a backlash. You can call it racist if you want -- some people do with everything else -- but it won't play well outside the safe spaces.


http://townhall.com/columnists/jonahgoldberg/2016/11/16/obsession-with-race-is-stretching-beyond-reason-n2246254




Greta75 -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/16/2016 6:16:42 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44
http://townhall.com/columnists/jonahgoldberg/2016/11/16/obsession-with-race-is-stretching-beyond-reason-n2246254

I know right? This part of things drives me nuts about liberals. I feel like accusing people racism, homophobia and xenophobia, sexist or whatever is the new age Nazi!




heavyblinker -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/16/2016 6:47:53 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44
"Obsession with Race is Stretching Beyond Reason"


A conservative news outlet portraying liberals as whiny crybabies?
What a refreshingly original approach!

Does Rush Limbaugh know about these guys?




tamaka -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/16/2016 10:10:59 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

~FR~

Probably hiring a white supremacist as his senior advisor didn't exactly reassure them.

Ya think?

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/442189/steve-bannon-trump-administration-alt-right-breitbart-chief-strategist


Well if he at least makes us white folks feel like we're not the scum of the earth like everyone seems to want us to believe, he'll serve a good purpose.




tamaka -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/16/2016 10:12:38 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44
http://townhall.com/columnists/jonahgoldberg/2016/11/16/obsession-with-race-is-stretching-beyond-reason-n2246254

I know right? This part of things drives me nuts about liberals. I feel like accusing people racism, homophobia and xenophobia, sexist or whatever is the new age Nazi!


Absolutely!!!




WhoreMods -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/16/2016 10:13:57 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

~FR~

Probably hiring a white supremacist as his senior advisor didn't exactly reassure them.

Ya think?

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/442189/steve-bannon-trump-administration-alt-right-breitbart-chief-strategist


Well if he at least makes us white folks feel like we're not the scum of the earth like everyone seems to want us to believe, he'll serve a good purpose.


That's a nice whiney sense of victimhood you've got there. Sure you're not a liberal?




tamaka -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/16/2016 10:52:46 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: WhoreMods


quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

~FR~

Probably hiring a white supremacist as his senior advisor didn't exactly reassure them.

Ya think?

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/442189/steve-bannon-trump-administration-alt-right-breitbart-chief-strategist


Well if he at least makes us white folks feel like we're not the scum of the earth like everyone seems to want us to believe, he'll serve a good purpose.


That's a nice whiney sense of victimhood you've got there. Sure you're not a liberal?


I'm an independent.




WhoreMods -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/16/2016 11:15:52 AM)

And immune to sarcasm as well, apparently.




PeonForHer -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/16/2016 12:31:45 PM)

quote:

"Obsession with Race is Stretching Beyond Reason"


Bounty, seriously ... have you looked at Steve Bannon's history? All the old stuff that righties trot out about looney lefties and their nutty racism is redundant. The man is a bona fide zany goosestepping gibbering nutcase ... and he's now one of Trump's chief advisors.




tamaka -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/16/2016 12:55:44 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

quote:

"Obsession with Race is Stretching Beyond Reason"


Bounty, seriously ... have you looked at Steve Bannon's history? All the old stuff that righties trot out about looney lefties and their nutty racism is redundant. The man is a bona fide zany goosestepping gibbering nutcase ... and he's now one of Trump's chief advisors.


I guess the pendulum swings both ways. I guess that is how this country was designed... swings both ways and hopefully finds a way to settle somewhere around the middle.




Edwird -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/16/2016 2:22:41 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka
quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
~FR~

Probably hiring a white supremacist as his senior advisor didn't exactly reassure them.

Ya think?

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/442189/steve-bannon-trump-administration-alt-right-breitbart-chief-strategist

Well if he at least makes us white folks feel like we're not the scum of the earth like everyone seems to want us to believe, he'll serve a good purpose.


I must have missed it. Whatever Obama, or indeed seemingly the 'everyone' you allude to,' did in attempt to make this white boy feel like scum of the earth went completely over my head, I guess.

Anyways, the Klan are holding numerous ceremonies as we speak in celebration of being 'lifted up' by the recent turn of events, because they, too, were tired of accusations of being scum of the earth, such sentiment being the foundation of their existence.




Termyn8or -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/16/2016 6:11:57 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey

TITLE 18, U.S.C., SECTION 242

Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, ... shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnaping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

You mean this law?


I certainly do, but increase the penalties more. Ad enforce it with the bodycams. When the cop is innocent the camera will show that, when the cop is guilty the camera will show that.

There was a case where the defendant subpeonaed the video and the judge said "No, those cameras are there to convict you, not the officer". I want to see a mechanism by which people can bring shit like this DIRECTLY to the federal government so that can do their job, protect our rights. And that means Black too because that is more important to "domestic tranquility". And not only to put the cop in the federal pen, but the judge as well in such cases.

Bottom line is he has to do SOMETHING for Blacks and it ain't affirmative action. We got BLM and Sharpton all over the place and they are all pissed off he won. He could do this by EO actually, but it would be better if congress put a bill on his desk saying that ALL armed officers in this country need to be on camera. When I am at work I am on camera all the time and it is a gun free zone. (that kinda bothers me but oh well, they have the right to know what I am doing with the time I sold them, so why not cops ?)

Anyway, something like this could be a stunning blow to his detractors. Let's see what Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson say to federal cameras on all LEOs who carry a gun on duty. If they are all for it, then they really believe their people are getting fucked over. If they are against it then they are looking for free money via lawsuits and shit like that. Put your mouth where your money is.

I am not sure what much else he could do for them. You can't stop tthe cops from profiling. In the border stats iff you look Hispanic you are more likely to get stopped. If you are legal here or here legally then you almost appreciate that. Get here on a visa and paid all the fees n shit, you want those wetbacks outta here just as much as any White. Why should I have to pay taxes and all this shit and go to immigration every year when this asshole just jumps a fence ? I've known legal immigrants and they were just as against illegals as the KKK.

And they do not want parts of the US ceded to Mexico, THAT IS WHAT THEY LEFT ! You want the assholes who proved they can't govern there to govern here, to where you fled ? Fuck no they do not want that.

So with a few month of the year guest worker program he can appease the southern farmers and help keep some of the food prices low. With a wall, or fence or even a series of watchtowers, armed and aim to kill anything looking human moving northward, he can appease people in border states. The people bringing in the pot use tunnels or possibly cars with hidden stash spots, they will not be affected much. Plus, if he leaves weed alone it will not be an issue. Oil and drug companies, and paper producers were behind the laws against it. And they can't make it legal on a federal basis because of a treaty, THAT THE US INSTIGATED IN THE FIRST PLACE ! Well the US has broken alot of treaties. Time for this one to be repealed though, I think Reagan started it. War on drugs, who the fuck do they think they are ?

He wants to renegotiate these free trade deals, well get on that as well. NEVER give any foreign power any authority in your country.

Fucking try to send a six dollar transistor to Argentina and the tax on that is fifty percent. Try to send a box half the size of a toaster to Norway and it costs seventy bucks. But order a new harddrive and it is drop shipped right to your front door for six bucks, all the way from China and I know it. I bought one one August and ir was there in August with a manufacturing date about two weeks before. That was barely enough time to get into a warehouse and cataloged let alone repacked and shipped.

So, other countries might say alot of things but instead of a tariff or import duty they call it a tax. Well if they can do that then I say we can do the same thing. Sorry about your new plasma TV costing more but if you want balanced trade (and you do whether you have really thought about it or not) then you will have to pay more for imported goods. It really is that simple.

If you are not willing to make that sacrifice (which isn't as much as you might think) then get out or do without.

This outsourcing is bringing on diminishing returns as well. How come there are no US built smartphones ? We design the fucking things, make some of the chips, and send it all off. The job is not that labor intensive, the labor savings are not all that much. Like four guys push out hundreds of them a day. If they were making twenty bucks an hour instead of twenty cents an hour it would not mean shit.

But see wages is not the only reason. Trump wants out of that newest "accord" or whatever because he, as I, see it as totally ineffective but destructive to the US economy. We can't cripple ourselves more. We are already to the point where nobody, even USians will open a business in the US. Wanna make it worse ? Meantime China billows out smoke across the water, but since they are on the other side of the fishbowl I guess that is OK. Right ? Environmentalists, RIGHT ? B3cause it is ten thousand miles away pollution is OK. RIGHT ? Is that what you are telling me ?

Because demand will stay the same or increase and therefore so will production. What the US needs is to get back into the profits of production.

And it will not solve everything. With modern technology one person can do the work of ten in the past. The jobs are not coming back. We need new jobs. For that we need a good educational system. For that we need to get the government the fuck out of it and simply set a national standard for a diploma. We also need for them to stop guaranteeing loans for a hundred grand in tuition for a Phd in basketweaving. That is my pet term for liberal arts but economics is getting there. Every time people start with this "experts say" bullshit I counter with "Oh, you mean the people who got us into this fucking mess ?". Yes, we need banking regulations so fucking tight the bankers don't want to do it anymore. Who ever said they should make money holding on to your money ?

I know who and you do too, and they invented banks. But you can't pick on them. Who are they ? Do you know ? I do.

T^T




Termyn8or -> RE: Unite The Country ? (11/16/2016 6:26:59 PM)

Oh, and to elaborate on the dashcams and bodycams that cannot be turned off as long as they are on duty, that data are sent DIRECTLY via RF to data collection centers and if ANY allegations come up, the feds step in and that is that. You WILL answer for this. You are going to FEDERAL COURT where you do not know the judge personally and probably have dinner at his house once a month. Or his daughter married your son. You are going to court in a different state where you know NOBODY, and you are not some kind of god.

Speak these words Trump, even if you can't get it done at least try and let them know you're trying.

Racial tensions are really bad right now and there are only a few people who can do much about it, and only one who can. Hope he doesn't miss the opportunity.

(he probably will)


T^T




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