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TheHeretic -> RE: Gingrich on the rise and Bill Clinton's sounding the warning (11/27/2011 8:50:30 PM)
Sure, Tazzy, but as the homophobe has just so clearly illustrated, libs frequently put their worst vision of who conservatives are ahead of any other thinking and logic. Is there anti-Mormon sentiment among some Christians, especially out at the crazy edges? Sure. Is there anti-Mormon sentiment among atheists, or any of the crowds that flocked to see the religion exploited on Broadway? Seen the mockery of Romney's faith from that paragon of liberal decency, Sternskippy? You can bet the homophobe will be coming up with all sorts of shit, on a daily basis (from the first site he hits on the internet, no doubt) about "crazy" teachings of the LDS, if Romney should wind up with the nod. It's not a central thing, for any sort of majority. Romney comes across poorly on a visceral level, to a lot of people. HIs faith may be an issue for some, but that's not where his problem lies.

DarkSteven -> RE: Gingrich on the rise and Bill Clinton's sounding the warning (11/27/2011 9:02:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic With regard to Newt, my thinking is that his current rise in the polls is simply a result of it coming around to him, in a doorknob primary. I don't think being an asshole is an automatic disqualifier for the job, but I'll really be surprised if one so up front about it, holds the Republican fancy. As for Romney, the assumption that his faith is the problem seems like the typical liberal projection of their bigotry. It is subjective, of course, but what I get in every conversation where he comes up, is that people just get a creepy vibe off of him. He doesn't inspire trust, or confidence, or even much optimism. Yeah, the primary is weird, Rich. Romney stays where he is, and every other candidate suddenly shoots up in popularity and two weeks later drops down again. Paul, Santorum, and Huntsman (and Gary Johnson) are the only ones that haven't had their moment in the sun yet. Romney has lots of knocks on him - his religion, his fluid stances, his smarminess, etc., but I wouldn't think of any single one as fatal. Put them all together, and you've got a vague uneasiness.

tazzygirl -> RE: Gingrich on the rise and Bill Clinton's sounding the warning (11/27/2011 9:23:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Sure, Tazzy, but as the homophobe has just so clearly illustrated, libs frequently put their worst vision of who conservatives are ahead of any other thinking and logic. Is there anti-Mormon sentiment among some Christians, especially out at the crazy edges? Sure. Is there anti-Mormon sentiment among atheists, or any of the crowds that flocked to see the religion exploited on Broadway? Seen the mockery of Romney's faith from that paragon of liberal decency, Sternskippy? You can bet the homophobe will be coming up with all sorts of shit, on a daily basis (from the first site he hits on the internet, no doubt) about "crazy" teachings of the LDS, if Romney should wind up with the nod. It's not a central thing, for any sort of majority. Romney comes across poorly on a visceral level, to a lot of people. HIs faith may be an issue for some, but that's not where his problem lies. You also know, along with the different "degrees" of conservatives, there are also different "degrees" of liberals. I would rather Hunstman, but I dont see that happening. To me, religion doesnt play in the scenario anywhere/ As long as they dont try to implement laws reflecting their religions specifically, then its all good for me. Ga.. I hope that makes sense.. lol

TheHeretic -> RE: Gingrich on the rise and Bill Clinton's sounding the warning (11/27/2011 9:29:01 PM)
Honestly, Tazzy, I don't even get too worried about them trying. There is a streak of religious authoritarianism in the Republican base, but it is strictly and specifically ruled out by the Constitution anyway.

tazzygirl -> RE: Gingrich on the rise and Bill Clinton's sounding the warning (11/27/2011 9:31:58 PM)
Oh they try.. and will continue to try. And its only by the sheer will of the people, and the courts, that they have no succeeded yet.

TheHeretic -> RE: Gingrich on the rise and Bill Clinton's sounding the warning (11/27/2011 9:36:07 PM)
I couldn't grab it as an image, Steve, but the polling data chart from RealClearPolitics is starting to look like abstract art http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html

TheHeretic -> RE: Gingrich on the rise and Bill Clinton's sounding the warning (11/27/2011 9:39:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Oh they try.. and will continue to try. And its only by the sheer will of the people, and the courts, that they have no succeeded yet. Right. The system works. [:D]

tazzygirl -> RE: Gingrich on the rise and Bill Clinton's sounding the warning (11/27/2011 9:46:41 PM)
So far... [:D] “If it ain't broke, don't fix it' is the slogan of the complacent, the arrogant or the scared. It's an excuse for inaction, a call to non-arms.”

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Gingrich on the rise and Bill Clinton's sounding the warning (11/27/2011 9:56:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic I couldn't grab it as an image, Steve, but the polling data chart from RealClearPolitics is starting to look like abstract art http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html The IEM prices have held pretty stable for Romney. "Rest of Field" had a spike on 11/19, presumably covering their Romney bets with good odds on Gingrich, but that was short lived. [image]local://upfiles/265074/49162CD2386D4BD884680B84B05F38DA.jpg[/image] The Presidential VS market is a dead heat, exactly even money for the past couple of days, with Obama making a small recovery.

TheHeretic -> RE: Gingrich on the rise and Bill Clinton's sounding the warning (11/27/2011 10:18:55 PM)
Well, you can view it that way if you like, Tazzy, but I see a long enough history of failure on their initiatives, that I view the fundies as being even more used and exploited to no avail by the Republicans, as the the anti-war (and OWS soon enough, I expect) got played the Democrats. The Repubs are much better at keeping them on board, though. These things may be great for getting some "R" votes, not to mention being fantastic fundraising devices for liberal organizations, but how many actually pass, Tazzy? And of those, how many make it past the first court challenge, much less the Supremes? It's a foolish mistake also, to attribute the religious bigot vote as a strictly Republican phenomenon. Here in California, the state voted simultaneously in '08 both to send Barack Obama to the White House as our President, and to ban gay marriage yet again. My vote wasn't enough to block either, but hey, that's democracy for you.

MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Gingrich on the rise and Bill Clinton's sounding the warning (11/27/2011 11:20:55 PM)
A bit of Photoshop fun with the candidates -- and the idiot in the Oval Office... [8D] [image]local://upfiles/687741/D8E0DF85E7DE442DB57655D97614F1FE.jpg[/image]

tazzygirl -> RE: Gingrich on the rise and Bill Clinton's sounding the warning (11/28/2011 3:22:22 AM)
quote: It's a foolish mistake also, to attribute the religious bigot vote as a strictly Republican phenomenon. Here in California, the state voted simultaneously in '08 both to send Barack Obama to the White House as our President, and to ban gay marriage yet again. My vote wasn't enough to block either, but hey, that's democracy for you. rofl strictly a republican phenomenon? I lived in the south, Baker country... lol. Republican, Democratic, Independent.. didnt matter... everything has a religious bent. That doesnt mean the attempts to pass laws are the same.

DarkSteven -> RE: Gingrich on the rise and Bill Clinton's sounding the warning (11/28/2011 4:23:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic I couldn't grab it as an image, Steve, but the polling data chart from RealClearPolitics is starting to look like abstract art http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html Interesting that Perry's popular phase took a chunk out of Romney's support, but all the other candidates' moments in the sun left Romney unaffected. Also odd that Bachmann's peak was never that high at all compared to the others.

MrRodgers -> RE: Gingrich on the rise and Bill Clinton's sounding the warning (11/28/2011 5:41:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LVnewDom Beware the Trojan Horse. The liberal establishment and liberal media are doing everything they can to try and steer the nomination away from Romney. You'll know it is working when Fox then follows suit. If anything that's likely because Fox isn't at ease with Romney either. Huntsman is far too bipartisan for Fox and the righteous right so by default...Newt is it for the time being. Fox wants a right wing, big govt. $trillion war-on-terror, borrow and spend...fiscal 'conservative' in the white house[sic] He would be yet another very nice profit center (eliminate capital gains tax, so I pay NO taxes anymore) and that's because of course now, now as the Casus belli of America...profits.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Gingrich on the rise and Bill Clinton's sounding the warning (11/28/2011 2:35:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Here in California, the state voted simultaneously in '08 both to send Barack Obama to the White House as our President, and to ban gay marriage yet again. Most if not all of that differential is explained by the Black and Latino turnout/vote.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Gingrich on the rise and Bill Clinton's sounding the warning (11/28/2011 2:36:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA A bit of Photoshop fun with the candidates -- and the idiot in the Oval Office... [8D] [image]local://upfiles/687741/D8E0DF85E7DE442DB57655D97614F1FE.jpg[/image] He's got that Washington coif going for sure.

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