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KeriB -> RE: Here we go again...Con-didate Compares Public Schools To Nazi Regime (8/1/2011 7:58:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: KeriB

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

Servant, Willbe ---

Just so we're clear, are you saying that U.S. public schools are equivalent to Nazi indoctrination programs?


Some of the curriculum absolutely is.



I call bullshit. Have you actually read the textbooks or curriculum that you speak of? Up until ten years ago the curriculum was the same shit they taught back in the 50's. The only that has changed is Texas altering their history curriculum to tell utter lies.


This...

Those creeps are good examples of today`s GOP.



They aren't just examples they are today's GOP.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/education/13texas.html




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Here we go again...Con-didate Compares Public Schools To Nazi Regime (8/1/2011 8:03:29 PM)

O59 is the textbook example of the failure of the American school system. He has trouble putting two cogent thoughts together a week. And it is no coincidence that it was Hudson County.




KeriB -> RE: Here we go again...Con-didate Compares Public Schools To Nazi Regime (8/1/2011 8:04:47 PM)

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I dont know about Texas, but in NJ the 90s curriculum was vastly different from the 60s. We were focused on math, english, science, history, language and one creative outlet...from home economics to shop to chorus. In the 90s there was at least one and usually two "social" electives that were nothing but liberal indoctrination.



When you say "social" elective which electives are you referring too?




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Here we go again...Con-didate Compares Public Schools To Nazi Regime (8/1/2011 8:21:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: KeriB

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I dont know about Texas, but in NJ the 90s curriculum was vastly different from the 60s. We were focused on math, english, science, history, language and one creative outlet...from home economics to shop to chorus. In the 90s there was at least one and usually two "social" electives that were nothing but liberal indoctrination.



When you say "social" elective which electives are you referring too?


Environmental studies, womens studies, black studies, the role of _____ in society where the blank changed every semester. Its been a while since my youngest graduated and the books are long gone (yeah, we even had to buy the books for them)




Owner59 -> RE: Here we go again...Con-didate Compares Public Schools To Nazi Regime (8/1/2011 8:44:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

O59 is the textbook example of the failure of the American school system. He has trouble putting two cogent thoughts together a week. And it is no coincidence that it was Hudson County.


Typical conservative mind-set......

Think like us or you`re a nazi,a commie ,etc.....

This is what the GOP is bringing to the table.....




Punkt -> RE: Here we go again...Con-didate Compares Public Schools To Nazi Regime (8/1/2011 8:48:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Control the information, control the people.

T^T


There you go again. 




TheHeretic -> RE: Here we go again...Con-didate Compares Public Schools To Nazi Regime (8/1/2011 8:50:38 PM)

Don't forget Califirnia's new requirement that we have a gay history component in the curricula.  The fundies will howl, and eventually it'll probably mean juniors in HS will have to watch, "Milk," in class.  God knows our schools haven't taught them to read.




MrRodgers -> RE: Here we go again...Con-didate Compares Public Schools To Nazi Regime (8/1/2011 8:52:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

The way our schools indoctrinate little kids with liberal pap, she might be right.

Come on you righties of today. Don't hold back, tell us all about how they are feeding kids with liberal pap. I see so many charges from the righties with no examples.

Time to actually explain ourselves.




Punkt -> RE: Here we go again...Con-didate Compares Public Schools To Nazi Regime (8/1/2011 8:52:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Don't forget Califirnia's new requirement that we have a gay history component in the curricula.  The fundies will howl, and eventually it'll probably mean juniors in HS will have to watch, "Milk," in class.  God knows our schools haven't taught them to read.


The Queen and the King History is over, it is time for King and King History (they are saying)...




KeriB -> RE: Here we go again...Con-didate Compares Public Schools To Nazi Regime (8/1/2011 8:53:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
Environmental studies, womens studies, black studies, the role of _____ in society where the blank changed every semester. Its been a while since my youngest graduated and the books are long gone (yeah, we even had to buy the books for them)



I can see how those could be consider liberal classes. However, I would hope that in those classes the students are learning about the history of the topic as well as how to be able to look at the world from multiple view points. Students should be able to have the resources to look at all the information and form their own opinion, no matter what that opinion is.

Did they have any religion/seminar type classes there or was all of it geared toward looking at the roll of things/people in society?




Owner59 -> RE: Here we go again...Con-didate Compares Public Schools To Nazi Regime (8/1/2011 8:55:16 PM)

Ya know you`re right dick,one of those rare times we agree.


I remember the "good ol days" when American Indians were referred to as "savages" in our school books.

You miss the good-ol days.....don`t ya dick?




KeriB -> RE: Here we go again...Con-didate Compares Public Schools To Nazi Regime (8/1/2011 8:57:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Don't forget Califirnia's new requirement that we have a gay history component in the curricula.  The fundies will howl, and eventually it'll probably mean juniors in HS will have to watch, "Milk," in class.  God knows our schools haven't taught them to read.



Heaven forbid a parent crack open a book and read with their child.

You do realize the books that the students should be reading, but refuse to, deal with much more risque topics, right?




MrRodgers -> RE: Here we go again...Con-didate Compares Public Schools To Nazi Regime (8/1/2011 8:57:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Don't forget Califirnia's new requirement that we have a gay history component in the curricula.  The fundies will howl, and eventually it'll probably mean juniors in HS will have to watch, "Milk," in class.  God knows our schools haven't taught them to read.

God knows nothing and if he did...he'd puke over the right wing ecumenics of today. Gay is a fact of life and the war against them is a course of study into the prejudicial sociology of the right.




kat321 -> RE: Here we go again...Con-didate Compares Public Schools To Nazi Regime (8/1/2011 8:58:02 PM)

I suggest checking these... and then ask how different curriculum is from 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago, etc.

Below are the two documents on which most states base their math and language arts curriculum.  If you would like to look at what came before these, look at the NCTE or NCTM websites.

http://www.corestandards.org/the-standards/english-language-arts-standards
http://www.corestandards.org/the-standards/mathematics

In the next year or so, most states will alter their science curriculum to mirror this document from the National Academy of Sciences. The new science framework can be found here. 

http://www7.nationalacademies.org/bose/Standards_Framework_Homepage.html

Before this framework was released a few weeks ago, state standards were modeled on outlines from disciplinary organizations in each of the sciences made up of professionals in the science fields, university faculty in each discipline and teachers.

State social studies standards are still based upon frameworks from the National Council for the Social Studies (history, civics, economics, geography) and the National Center for History in the Schools.  Each can be found below:

http://www.socialstudies.org/standards
http://nchs.ucla.edu/Standards/

In the next year or so, a new guiding standards document will likely be released in the social studies as well.

All of the above are given to states as baselines as each state can choose its own curriculum.  To see what your states require, you should visit your state education agency's webpage. 

If anything, from the standards outlined above, schools are asked to cover more than before in more depth than in the past.  While in math, K-12 curriculum has not changed, many districts under public pressure are clamoring to have all students complete algebra before eighth grade, while in the past, it was always a high school subject.  In other subjects curriculum keeps moving forward; to pass a biology course today a high school biology student is responsible for more content knowledge than before the human genome was cracked (as an example the AP and IB biology exams cover much more information than they did in the 1980s.)  Also, the methods that states should be using to assess students require more of students than they did previously.  The idea of performance based objectives, where student proficiency is gauged on whether or not students can apply multiple principles to complex tasks in a range of never-before-seen-scenarios is new to the majority of districts in the country- and far removed from pen-and-pencil tasks. (Note, I am not saying that all districts have moved to this form of assessment even though it is highly recommended across all disciplines.) 

If you would like to get into a conversation about the political affiliations of teachers and the so-called liberal bias in schools, textbooks and curriculum, we can do that, but I think many conservatives on the board will be surprised when the empirical data on the topic does not prove the point they wish to make. 





imperatrixx -> RE: Here we go again...Con-didate Compares Public Schools To Nazi Regime (8/1/2011 9:02:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Don't forget Califirnia's new requirement that we have a gay history component in the curricula.  The fundies will howl, and eventually it'll probably mean juniors in HS will have to watch, "Milk," in class.  God knows our schools haven't taught them to read.


What an excellent point. The Nazis taught that gay people were genetic abominations that should be killed. California is teaching that they are human beings who have contributed to society.

I can totally see the resemblance.




rulemylife -> RE: Here we go again...Con-didate Compares Public Schools To Nazi Regime (8/1/2011 9:11:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

The way our schools indoctrinate little kids with liberal pap, she might be right.


The same you way keeping spouting nonsense that you never substantiate?




Owner59 -> RE: Here we go again...Con-didate Compares Public Schools To Nazi Regime (8/1/2011 9:14:09 PM)

Notice the bigots pick learning about Milk as their outrage while Texas teaches kids fake-science.


And these are the people who claim they`re looking to make America better,smarter and more successful?


Not...




TheHeretic -> RE: Here we go again...Con-didate Compares Public Schools To Nazi Regime (8/1/2011 9:20:32 PM)

Looks great on paper, doesn't it Impera?  Of course, given the polarized state of the populace, and the financial nightmares many districts are dealing with, this just seems like a wonderful way to stir up another giant distraction.




Owner59 -> RE: Here we go again...Con-didate Compares Public Schools To Nazi Regime (8/1/2011 9:26:07 PM)

Right,we don`t have the money right now to DO THE RIGHT THING.....


Brilliant!



That`s the GOP byline....



We got it dick,you bankrupted us and now we can`t do anything because we have no money.



That was the whole idea, wasn`t it?



How does success feel?




KeriB -> RE: Here we go again...Con-didate Compares Public Schools To Nazi Regime (8/1/2011 9:31:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Looks great on paper, doesn't it Impera?  Of course, given the polarized state of the populace, and the financial nightmares many districts are dealing with, this just seems like a wonderful way to stir up another giant distraction.



In the real world it does actually work the way the standards say and the common core is being implemented in most states. Teachers have to teach to the curriculum standards that are set by each state, if the teacher doesn't they get fired.




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