Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 Page: [1] 2 3   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 - 4/20/2007 7:23:02 PM   
Level


Posts: 25145
Joined: 3/3/2006
Status: offline 		Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000



By MARTIN CRUTSINGER, AP Economics WriterFri Apr 20, 3:02 PM ET

Three weeks ago, Dawn Zimmer became a statistic. Laid off from her job assembling trucks at Freightliner's plant in Portland, Ore., she and 800 of her colleagues joined a long line of U.S. manufacturing workers who have lost jobs in recent years. A total of 3.2 million — one in six factory jobs — have disappeared since the start of 2000.
Many people believe those jobs will never come back.

"They are building a multimillion-dollar plant in Mexico and they are going to build the Freightliners down there. They came in and videotaped us at work so they could train the Mexican workers," said Zimmer, 55, who had worked at Freightliner since 1994.

That's the issue for American workers. Many of their jobs are moving overseas, to Mexico and China and elsewhere.

Just ask Tom Riegel.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070420/ap_on_bi_ge/changing_work_force

_____________________________

Fake the heat and scratch the itch
Skinned up knees and salty lips
Let go it's harder holding on
One more trip and I'll be gone

~~ Stone Temple Pilots
Profile   Post #: 1
RE: Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 - 4/20/2007 7:25:48 PM   
minnetar


Posts: 1272
Joined: 4/11/2007
Status: offline 		i work in the healthcare sector.  You would not believe the number of call centers that are now overseas.  i speak with healthcare insurance companies that have call centers in India, Argentina, and the Phillipines.  lol those are the only ones i have asked though

minnetar

(in reply to Level)
Profile   Post #: 2
RE: Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 - 4/20/2007 7:28:33 PM   
Sinergy


Posts: 9383
Joined: 4/26/2004
Status: offline 		 

[sarcasm]

NAFTA was such a great idea.

[/sarcasm]

On a related note, one of the shipping companies here pulled a ship into Ensenada harbor, unloaded it, put the cans on trucks, slapped their butts and sent them on their way up north to cross the border into the US.

90% of the cargo disappeared and was never found again.  Shipping companies, as contract time looms, put out all sorts of press releases about their desire to build a harbor in Ensenada to bypass the union.  I just laugh.

Another aspect of NAFTA is the US is now able to undercut food costs in Mexico.  So not only are we losing jobs here in the United States, but Mexico is losing jobs in Mexico.

Sinergy

_____________________________

"There is a fine line between clever and stupid"
David St. Hubbins "This Is Spinal Tap"

"Every so often you let a word or phrase out and you want to catch it and bring it back. You cant do that, it is gone, gone forever." J. Danforth Quayle


(in reply to Level)
Profile   Post #: 3
RE: Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 - 4/20/2007 7:30:20 PM   
minnetar


Posts: 1272
Joined: 4/11/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Sinergy



[sarcasm]

NAFTA was such a great idea.

[/sarcasm]

On a related note, one of the shipping companies here pulled a ship into Ensenada harbor, unloaded it, put the cans on trucks, slapped their butts and sent them on their way up north to cross the border into the US.

90% of the cargo disappeared and was never found again.  Shipping companies, as contract time looms, put out all sorts of press releases about their desire to build a harbor in Ensenada to bypass the union.  I just laugh.

Another aspect of NAFTA is the US is now able to undercut food costs in Mexico.  So not only are we losing jobs here in the United States, but Mexico is losing jobs in Mexico.

Sinergy


we are all being outsourced.

minnetar

(in reply to Sinergy)
Profile   Post #: 4
RE: Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 - 4/20/2007 7:36:26 PM   
Sinergy


Posts: 9383
Joined: 4/26/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: minnetar

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sinergy



[sarcasm]

NAFTA was such a great idea.

[/sarcasm]

On a related note, one of the shipping companies here pulled a ship into Ensenada harbor, unloaded it, put the cans on trucks, slapped their butts and sent them on their way up north to cross the border into the US.

90% of the cargo disappeared and was never found again.  Shipping companies, as contract time looms, put out all sorts of press releases about their desire to build a harbor in Ensenada to bypass the union.  I just laugh.

Another aspect of NAFTA is the US is now able to undercut food costs in Mexico.  So not only are we losing jobs here in the United States, but Mexico is losing jobs in Mexico.

Sinergy


we are all being outsourced.

minnetar



This is true.

So the next question becomes "by who?"

Sinergy


_____________________________

"There is a fine line between clever and stupid"
David St. Hubbins "This Is Spinal Tap"

"Every so often you let a word or phrase out and you want to catch it and bring it back. You cant do that, it is gone, gone forever." J. Danforth Quayle


(in reply to minnetar)
Profile   Post #: 5
RE: Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 - 4/20/2007 7:37:42 PM   
minnetar


Posts: 1272
Joined: 4/11/2007
Status: offline 		i would say by the companies trying to contain costs by getting cheaper labor but they don't realize the consequences of it.

minnetar

(in reply to Sinergy)
Profile   Post #: 6
RE: Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 - 4/20/2007 7:41:53 PM   
Sinergy


Posts: 9383
Joined: 4/26/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: minnetar

i would say by the companies trying to contain costs by getting cheaper labor but they don't realize the consequences of it.

minnetar



I think they did realize the consequences of it.

They knew outsourcing jobs to Mexico would trash the US economy.  They knew dropping trade barriers with a largely third world country our corporations could make a killing undercutting their economy.

I dont think they care.  Corporate profits are the ultimate goal.

Sinergy

_____________________________

"There is a fine line between clever and stupid"
David St. Hubbins "This Is Spinal Tap"

"Every so often you let a word or phrase out and you want to catch it and bring it back. You cant do that, it is gone, gone forever." J. Danforth Quayle


(in reply to minnetar)
Profile   Post #: 7
RE: Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 - 4/20/2007 7:46:17 PM   
minnetar


Posts: 1272
Joined: 4/11/2007
Status: offline 		i can understand Your thoughts but in regards to customer service i believe there is a difference.  The language barrier is major.  It is much more difficult to get resolution of a problem when talking to someone who has a different first language.


minnetar

(in reply to Sinergy)
Profile   Post #: 8
RE: Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 - 4/20/2007 7:48:12 PM   
Sinergy


Posts: 9383
Joined: 4/26/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: minnetar

i can understand Your thoughts but in regards to customer service i believe there is a difference.  The language barrier is major.  It is much more difficult to get resolution of a problem when talking to someone who has a different first language.


minnetar



Why do you think AT&T or the Gas Company care whether your problem gets resolved in a timely fashion?

My point is that they did not outsource for your benefit or mine.

Sinergy

_____________________________

"There is a fine line between clever and stupid"
David St. Hubbins "This Is Spinal Tap"

"Every so often you let a word or phrase out and you want to catch it and bring it back. You cant do that, it is gone, gone forever." J. Danforth Quayle


(in reply to minnetar)
Profile   Post #: 9
RE: Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 - 4/20/2007 7:57:40 PM   
Koja


Posts: 13
Joined: 7/11/2004
Status: offline 		On a slight tangent... They WOULD care if they were a firm in a competitive market. The gas company or AT&T are not, however: Their market is protected by government regulation. Comcast is in a semi-competitive(not very, but there are still some elements of it) market, and had to get rid of their Indian call-centers due to language barriers. The costs were too high to sustain indian call centers, regardless of the low wages.

Now they're outsourced to Canada :)

(in reply to Sinergy)
Profile   Post #: 10
RE: Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 - 4/20/2007 8:05:53 PM   
Sinergy


Posts: 9383
Joined: 4/26/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Koja

On a slight tangent... They WOULD care if they were a firm in a competitive market. The gas company or AT&T are not, however: Their market is protected by government regulation. Comcast is in a semi-competitive(not very, but there are still some elements of it) market, and had to get rid of their Indian call-centers due to language barriers. The costs were too high to sustain indian call centers, regardless of the low wages.

Now they're outsourced to Canada :)



The United States is preparing to invade Canada, and Big Gay Al is singing, while the boys are tunnelling under the stage to free Terrence and Phillip.

This movie is just wrong.

Sinergy

_____________________________

"There is a fine line between clever and stupid"
David St. Hubbins "This Is Spinal Tap"

"Every so often you let a word or phrase out and you want to catch it and bring it back. You cant do that, it is gone, gone forever." J. Danforth Quayle


(in reply to Koja)
Profile   Post #: 11
RE: Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 - 4/20/2007 8:12:38 PM   
minnetar


Posts: 1272
Joined: 4/11/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Sinergy

quote:

ORIGINAL: minnetar

i can understand Your thoughts but in regards to customer service i believe there is a difference.  The language barrier is major.  It is much more difficult to get resolution of a problem when talking to someone who has a different first language.


minnetar



Why do you think AT&T or the Gas Company care whether your problem gets resolved in a timely fashion?

My point is that they did not outsource for your benefit or mine.

Sinergy


i apologize for not making my point clearer.  i think that in time there will be a backlash from the providers about the lack of understanding and resolution of problems.  i think it will probably take many years though.  my mom is the type who fires off letters when her customer service is bad and i think at one point in time they will have an overwhelming number of complaints.

minnetar

oops edited to add it won't be any time soon.  i think this will evolve in years.


< Message edited by minnetar -- 4/20/2007 8:13:44 PM >

(in reply to Sinergy)
Profile   Post #: 12
RE: Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 - 4/20/2007 8:21:41 PM   
Pulpsmack


Posts: 394
Joined: 4/15/2004
From: Louisiana
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Sinergy


I think they did realize the consequences of it.

They knew outsourcing jobs to Mexico would trash the US economy.  They knew dropping trade barriers with a largely third world country our corporations could make a killing undercutting their economy.

I dont think they care.  Corporate profits are the ultimate goal.

Sinergy



I think they are aware as well, but people put a dispropotionate blame on the corporations. They are certainly worthy of a fair share of the blame... just not all of it. Unions (though well-intentioned) have probably done just as much to destroy the economy as well. Just look what the UAW has contributed to the American Car market.

< Message edited by Pulpsmack -- 4/20/2007 8:22:17 PM >

(in reply to Sinergy)
Profile   Post #: 13
RE: Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 - 4/20/2007 8:26:15 PM   
minnetar


Posts: 1272
Joined: 4/11/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Pulpsmack

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sinergy


I think they did realize the consequences of it.

They knew outsourcing jobs to Mexico would trash the US economy.  They knew dropping trade barriers with a largely third world country our corporations could make a killing undercutting their economy.

I dont think they care.  Corporate profits are the ultimate goal.

Sinergy



I think they are aware as well, but people put a dispropotionate blame on the corporations. They are certainly worthy of a fair share of the blame... just not all of it. Unions (though well-intentioned) have probably done just as much to destroy the economy as well. Just look what the UAW has contributed to the American Car market.


lmao Sir that might be a whole new thread

minnetar

(in reply to Pulpsmack)
Profile   Post #: 14
RE: Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 - 4/20/2007 9:11:07 PM   
popeye1250


Posts: 18104
Joined: 1/27/2006
From: New Hampshire
Status: offline 		NAFTA was a colosal misstake!
Everyone knows it.
We need to get out of it!

(in reply to minnetar)
Profile   Post #: 15
RE: Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 - 4/20/2007 9:25:54 PM   
minnetar


Posts: 1272
Joined: 4/11/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

NAFTA was a colosal misstake!
Everyone knows it.
We need to get out of it!


That goes to the whole bottom line about free trade and whether protecting our markets achieves anything

minnetar

(in reply to popeye1250)
Profile   Post #: 16
RE: Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 - 4/20/2007 10:44:35 PM   
ElectraGlide


Posts: 1246
Joined: 11/25/2005
From: Maryland
Status: offline 		I always hear about the millions of lost jobs, but we keep working. I am no expert on the numbers, but the economy is soaring and it seems to be plenty of jobs out there. It does not take a expert to tell any United Auto Worker your months are numbered. The UAW workers I know in Delaware are always sweating one plant closing rumor to the next rumor. I ask them what kind of concessions will their union make, and they say, why the hell should we make any.

_____________________________

www.starhillcreations.com

(in reply to minnetar)
Profile   Post #: 17
RE: Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 - 4/20/2007 11:00:26 PM   
MySweetSubmssive


Posts: 1139
Joined: 2/7/2006
From: Lehigh Valley, PA
Status: offline 		Hmmm ... we keep working, but at what kind of jobs?  In my area, the fast food restaurants and grocery store cashier jobs are being done by people who are in their 20s-60s, and very rarely teenagers -- a pretty sure sign that there aren't too many good jobs to be had.

As to the soaring economy, don't confuse the gross domestic product with how middle and lower class people are doing.  The middle class is shrinking, and wealth in this country (as with the world in general) is being concentrated in fewer and fewer hands.

MSS

_____________________________

"Oh, James, you're such a cunning linguist."

--Miss Moneypenny

(in reply to ElectraGlide)
Profile   Post #: 18
RE: Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 - 4/20/2007 11:14:33 PM   
popeye1250


Posts: 18104
Joined: 1/27/2006
From: New Hampshire
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: MySweetSubmssive

Hmmm ... we keep working, but at what kind of jobs?  In my area, the fast food restaurants and grocery store cashier jobs are being done by people who are in their 20s-60s, and very rarely teenagers -- a pretty sure sign that there aren't too many good jobs to be had.

As to the soaring economy, don't confuse the gross domestic product with how middle and lower class people are doing.  The middle class is shrinking, and wealth in this country (as with the world in general) is being concentrated in fewer and fewer hands.

MSS


If that is true as it was in the 1920's then will we see another Depression?

(in reply to MySweetSubmssive)
Profile   Post #: 19
RE: Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 - 4/20/2007 11:41:12 PM   
ElectraGlide


Posts: 1246
Joined: 11/25/2005
From: Maryland
Status: offline 		The Economy keeps things flying off the shelves, because so many people over buy with credit cards. A 1950s household would never spend so foolishly like the current generation. That is why the goverment will never end personel bankruptcy. The economy would collapse instantly if the goverment did not bail out these idiots that do not know how to manage money and give them a clean slate to overspend again. It keeps the wheel turning, the credit card companies get a tax credit. I can see bankruptcy in true hard luck, like being unable to work because of cancer or some major hardship preventing you from working. When two adults in a household are non stop working with no sick elderly family members to care for, I just cant see it. I like the person in their 20s or 30s living at home rent free, filing bankruptcy, and every body is suppose to throw them a boo-hoo party. The bankruptcy filers always come out of it with a brand new car also, because they are too good to have a used car. It is always a downgrade they replace the new Mustang GT with an Escort, but it is still new, I guess it is just the bankruptcy lawyers advice on how to properly screw the taxpayer footing the bill.

_____________________________

www.starhillcreations.com

(in reply to popeye1250)
Profile   Post #: 20
Page:   [1] 2 3   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 Page: [1] 2 3   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.094