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Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 By MARTIN CRUTSINGER, AP Economics WriterFri Apr 20, 3:02 PM ET Three weeks ago, Dawn Zimmer became a statistic. Laid off from her job assembling trucks at Freightliner's plant in Portland, Ore., she and 800 of her colleagues joined a long line of U.S. manufacturing workers who have lost jobs in recent years. A total of 3.2 million — one in six factory jobs — have disappeared since the start of 2000. Many people believe those jobs will never come back. "They are building a multimillion-dollar plant in Mexico and they are going to build the Freightliners down there. They came in and videotaped us at work so they could train the Mexican workers," said Zimmer, 55, who had worked at Freightliner since 1994. That's the issue for American workers. Many of their jobs are moving overseas, to Mexico and China and elsewhere. Just ask Tom Riegel. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070420/ap_on_bi_ge/changing_work_force

minnetar -> RE: Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 (4/20/2007 7:25:48 PM)
i work in the healthcare sector. You would not believe the number of call centers that are now overseas. i speak with healthcare insurance companies that have call centers in India, Argentina, and the Phillipines. lol those are the only ones i have asked though minnetar

Sinergy -> RE: Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 (4/20/2007 7:28:33 PM)
[sarcasm] NAFTA was such a great idea. [/sarcasm] On a related note, one of the shipping companies here pulled a ship into Ensenada harbor, unloaded it, put the cans on trucks, slapped their butts and sent them on their way up north to cross the border into the US. 90% of the cargo disappeared and was never found again. Shipping companies, as contract time looms, put out all sorts of press releases about their desire to build a harbor in Ensenada to bypass the union. I just laugh. Another aspect of NAFTA is the US is now able to undercut food costs in Mexico. So not only are we losing jobs here in the United States, but Mexico is losing jobs in Mexico. Sinergy

minnetar -> RE: Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 (4/20/2007 7:30:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy [sarcasm] NAFTA was such a great idea. [/sarcasm] On a related note, one of the shipping companies here pulled a ship into Ensenada harbor, unloaded it, put the cans on trucks, slapped their butts and sent them on their way up north to cross the border into the US. 90% of the cargo disappeared and was never found again. Shipping companies, as contract time looms, put out all sorts of press releases about their desire to build a harbor in Ensenada to bypass the union. I just laugh. Another aspect of NAFTA is the US is now able to undercut food costs in Mexico. So not only are we losing jobs here in the United States, but Mexico is losing jobs in Mexico. Sinergy we are all being outsourced. minnetar

Sinergy -> RE: Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 (4/20/2007 7:36:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: minnetar quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy [sarcasm] NAFTA was such a great idea. [/sarcasm] On a related note, one of the shipping companies here pulled a ship into Ensenada harbor, unloaded it, put the cans on trucks, slapped their butts and sent them on their way up north to cross the border into the US. 90% of the cargo disappeared and was never found again. Shipping companies, as contract time looms, put out all sorts of press releases about their desire to build a harbor in Ensenada to bypass the union. I just laugh. Another aspect of NAFTA is the US is now able to undercut food costs in Mexico. So not only are we losing jobs here in the United States, but Mexico is losing jobs in Mexico. Sinergy we are all being outsourced. minnetar This is true. So the next question becomes "by who?" Sinergy

minnetar -> RE: Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 (4/20/2007 7:37:42 PM)
i would say by the companies trying to contain costs by getting cheaper labor but they don't realize the consequences of it. minnetar

Sinergy -> RE: Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 (4/20/2007 7:41:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: minnetar i would say by the companies trying to contain costs by getting cheaper labor but they don't realize the consequences of it. minnetar I think they did realize the consequences of it. They knew outsourcing jobs to Mexico would trash the US economy. They knew dropping trade barriers with a largely third world country our corporations could make a killing undercutting their economy. I dont think they care. Corporate profits are the ultimate goal. Sinergy

minnetar -> RE: Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 (4/20/2007 7:46:17 PM)
i can understand Your thoughts but in regards to customer service i believe there is a difference. The language barrier is major. It is much more difficult to get resolution of a problem when talking to someone who has a different first language. minnetar

Sinergy -> RE: Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 (4/20/2007 7:48:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: minnetar i can understand Your thoughts but in regards to customer service i believe there is a difference. The language barrier is major. It is much more difficult to get resolution of a problem when talking to someone who has a different first language. minnetar Why do you think AT&T or the Gas Company care whether your problem gets resolved in a timely fashion? My point is that they did not outsource for your benefit or mine. Sinergy

Koja -> RE: Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 (4/20/2007 7:57:40 PM)
On a slight tangent... They WOULD care if they were a firm in a competitive market. The gas company or AT&T are not, however: Their market is protected by government regulation. Comcast is in a semi-competitive(not very, but there are still some elements of it) market, and had to get rid of their Indian call-centers due to language barriers. The costs were too high to sustain indian call centers, regardless of the low wages. Now they're outsourced to Canada :)

Sinergy -> RE: Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 (4/20/2007 8:05:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Koja On a slight tangent... They WOULD care if they were a firm in a competitive market. The gas company or AT&T are not, however: Their market is protected by government regulation. Comcast is in a semi-competitive(not very, but there are still some elements of it) market, and had to get rid of their Indian call-centers due to language barriers. The costs were too high to sustain indian call centers, regardless of the low wages. Now they're outsourced to Canada :) The United States is preparing to invade Canada, and Big Gay Al is singing, while the boys are tunnelling under the stage to free Terrence and Phillip. This movie is just wrong. Sinergy

minnetar -> RE: Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 (4/20/2007 8:12:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy quote: ORIGINAL: minnetar i can understand Your thoughts but in regards to customer service i believe there is a difference. The language barrier is major. It is much more difficult to get resolution of a problem when talking to someone who has a different first language. minnetar Why do you think AT&T or the Gas Company care whether your problem gets resolved in a timely fashion? My point is that they did not outsource for your benefit or mine. Sinergy i apologize for not making my point clearer. i think that in time there will be a backlash from the providers about the lack of understanding and resolution of problems. i think it will probably take many years though. my mom is the type who fires off letters when her customer service is bad and i think at one point in time they will have an overwhelming number of complaints. minnetar oops edited to add it won't be any time soon. i think this will evolve in years.

Pulpsmack -> RE: Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 (4/20/2007 8:21:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy I think they did realize the consequences of it. They knew outsourcing jobs to Mexico would trash the US economy. They knew dropping trade barriers with a largely third world country our corporations could make a killing undercutting their economy. I dont think they care. Corporate profits are the ultimate goal. Sinergy I think they are aware as well, but people put a dispropotionate blame on the corporations. They are certainly worthy of a fair share of the blame... just not all of it. Unions (though well-intentioned) have probably done just as much to destroy the economy as well. Just look what the UAW has contributed to the American Car market.

minnetar -> RE: Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 (4/20/2007 8:26:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Pulpsmack quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy I think they did realize the consequences of it. They knew outsourcing jobs to Mexico would trash the US economy. They knew dropping trade barriers with a largely third world country our corporations could make a killing undercutting their economy. I dont think they care. Corporate profits are the ultimate goal. Sinergy I think they are aware as well, but people put a dispropotionate blame on the corporations. They are certainly worthy of a fair share of the blame... just not all of it. Unions (though well-intentioned) have probably done just as much to destroy the economy as well. Just look what the UAW has contributed to the American Car market. lmao Sir that might be a whole new thread minnetar

popeye1250 -> RE: Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 (4/20/2007 9:11:07 PM)
NAFTA was a colosal misstake! Everyone knows it. We need to get out of it!

minnetar -> RE: Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 (4/20/2007 9:25:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 NAFTA was a colosal misstake! Everyone knows it. We need to get out of it! That goes to the whole bottom line about free trade and whether protecting our markets achieves anything minnetar

ElectraGlide -> RE: Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 (4/20/2007 10:44:35 PM)
I always hear about the millions of lost jobs, but we keep working. I am no expert on the numbers, but the economy is soaring and it seems to be plenty of jobs out there. It does not take a expert to tell any United Auto Worker your months are numbered. The UAW workers I know in Delaware are always sweating one plant closing rumor to the next rumor. I ask them what kind of concessions will their union make, and they say, why the hell should we make any.

MySweetSubmssive -> RE: Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 (4/20/2007 11:00:26 PM)
Hmmm ... we keep working, but at what kind of jobs? In my area, the fast food restaurants and grocery store cashier jobs are being done by people who are in their 20s-60s, and very rarely teenagers -- a pretty sure sign that there aren't too many good jobs to be had. As to the soaring economy, don't confuse the gross domestic product with how middle and lower class people are doing. The middle class is shrinking, and wealth in this country (as with the world in general) is being concentrated in fewer and fewer hands. MSS

popeye1250 -> RE: Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 (4/20/2007 11:14:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MySweetSubmssive Hmmm ... we keep working, but at what kind of jobs? In my area, the fast food restaurants and grocery store cashier jobs are being done by people who are in their 20s-60s, and very rarely teenagers -- a pretty sure sign that there aren't too many good jobs to be had. As to the soaring economy, don't confuse the gross domestic product with how middle and lower class people are doing. The middle class is shrinking, and wealth in this country (as with the world in general) is being concentrated in fewer and fewer hands. MSS If that is true as it was in the 1920's then will we see another Depression?

ElectraGlide -> RE: Factory jobs: 3 million lost since 2000 (4/20/2007 11:41:12 PM)
The Economy keeps things flying off the shelves, because so many people over buy with credit cards. A 1950s household would never spend so foolishly like the current generation. That is why the goverment will never end personel bankruptcy. The economy would collapse instantly if the goverment did not bail out these idiots that do not know how to manage money and give them a clean slate to overspend again. It keeps the wheel turning, the credit card companies get a tax credit. I can see bankruptcy in true hard luck, like being unable to work because of cancer or some major hardship preventing you from working. When two adults in a household are non stop working with no sick elderly family members to care for, I just cant see it. I like the person in their 20s or 30s living at home rent free, filing bankruptcy, and every body is suppose to throw them a boo-hoo party. The bankruptcy filers always come out of it with a brand new car also, because they are too good to have a used car. It is always a downgrade they replace the new Mustang GT with an Escort, but it is still new, I guess it is just the bankruptcy lawyers advice on how to properly screw the taxpayer footing the bill.

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