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RE: Single tails/floggers/canes etc etc - 3/27/2007 3:51:36 PM   
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Singletails: Coyote Whips. He sells nylon whips that are remarkably good, and probably especially good for use as a first whip. I'm pleased with mine. While I still don't think they're as lovely and wonderful as leather whips, (for a leather whip, try David Morgan or Peter Jack) they are under $100, attractive in their own right, and effective.

Canes: Get cooking chopsticks, rods for mini-blinds, rods for hanging shower curtains, and wooden and metal dowels. Then if you like, find a good, preferably local, maker of rattan canes, who doesn't bother with fancy detailing (which drives up the price) but who uses good material and treats it well, and get a few canes with different diameters and lengths. If you like synthetic canes, try these: http://www.swtchr2.com/evil_stick_family_tm.htm

I'm not sure what your "etc" is--different people have different tastes, and there is hardly a "basic" toy bag. If you want leather cuffs, check out Leather by Danny, www.gripcuffs.com. For clamps, don't bother with dedicated "nipple clamps." Go to a well-stocked stationery store and check out their bulk clips. Food service stores are also useful. You can get basic TENS units for around $100.

Also, if you have a well-established local BDSM community, get involved. Often there are people with a bit of skill who make fun toys--usually impact items, but sometimes other things.

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RE: Single tails/floggers/canes etc etc - 3/27/2007 3:59:06 PM   
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Much of my stuff has come from Adam's Sensual Whips and Gillians Toys (www.aswgt.com), but I wouldn't necessarily consider their product inexpensive, just quite well-made.

I like their implements because they give good descriptions, and ratings for how 'nasty' something is going to feel (depending on it's use).

I don't have experience with bullwhips, but other sorts of single-tails I'm pretty proficient in.  I have a very lengthy buggy-whip (or is that signal whip, I'm not always THAT up on the terminology, just the usage) that I can put a pretty good stripe across one's back, consistently, from about 15 feet with the subject FACING me.

It wraps, but if I'm standing in the right place, or not distracted or yawning or anything like that, it hits where it's supposed to, not on the tender areas.

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RE: Single tails/floggers/canes etc etc - 3/27/2007 4:02:55 PM   
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All I know is that I had a great single tail that I left in a hotel room in Atlanta. If anyone comes across it, send it to me because I'm not about to ask the hotel staff for it.

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RE: Single tails/floggers/canes etc etc - 3/27/2007 6:31:55 PM   
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http://www.swtchr2.com/evil_stick_family_tm.htm



'Swtchr' is a wonderful and delightful person... who makes terribly painful toys O.o

I like him a lot :)

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RE: Single tails/floggers/canes etc etc - 3/27/2007 6:35:42 PM   
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http://www.coyotewhips.com/

He makes amazing little whips. They're nylon, washable, less expensive than most, easy to keep in repair (changing the fall), simple to crack, and can be used almost anywhere due to their size.

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RE: Single tails/floggers/canes etc etc - 3/27/2007 7:50:30 PM   
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http://www.snakepitleatherworks.com/

This is a great site, great to order from.  Lots of choices in leather, colors, handels, etc. They have some stock items as well. Awesome quality too.

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RE: Single tails/floggers/canes etc etc - 3/28/2007 12:20:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MySweetSubmssive

I have not bought from this site yet, but I was impressed with what they said about their products -- attention to detail, yummy pics, lots of choices in materials.  It's not the cheapest site out there, but they look like quality (nothing inspired lust like good materials!).  I got this reference from an acquaintance here.

http://www.detailstoys.com/floggers.html

If you buy, let me know if you liked what you got!

MSS


I have bought from details, and I actually know the people who own/run the business and make the stuff. It is great quality at a good price. I recommend their floggers. Mine is moose and I love it.

I also know Victor Tella of snakewhip.com and his whips are regarded by many people as the best, also not overly expensive.

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RE: Single tails/floggers/canes etc etc - 3/28/2007 12:27:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam

Singletails: Midnight Blues
http://www.midnight-blues.net/

Janet Heartwood Floggers and Cats (expensive)
http://www.heartwoodwhips.com/

Achella (less expensive floggers, canes ans such)
http://achella.com/

Archer on the boards also makes floggers and such...but I don't know the web address. Archer? Shameless plug?

Master Fire



It's www.fantasiesinleather.com
I have one of his quirts, I fully endorse Archer and Elegant's stuff. Buy from them :)

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RE: Single tails/floggers/canes etc etc - 3/28/2007 3:03:42 PM   
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http://www.swtchr2.com/evil_stick_family_tm.htm  Swtchr is a friend of mine. I am going to Agree with spankmepinkcheck out his site- there is some nice and nasty things there.

check out the
Evil Stick Family
Dragons Whip
TheThumper
few of my favorites

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RE: Single tails/floggers/canes etc etc - 3/28/2007 6:40:40 PM   
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If you're looking for cheaper good quality singletails there's thewhipchick.com The Whip Chick is the only retail selling singletail plaiter in the US and damned fine job if you ask me.

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RE: Single tails/floggers/canes etc etc - 4/6/2007 5:44:47 PM   
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i know someone that makes beautiful floggers. not sure how far away from my area you are. just a suggestion. *smiles*

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RE: Single tails/floggers/canes etc etc - 4/6/2007 5:52:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: moki1984

I am looking to start stocking my bag so to say. I want a quality flogger, a single tail etc etc.....
Any suggetions on sites that are not extremely high priced but good quality?


I recommend you attend a fetish market, or store personally, as single-tail whips are a specialist buy, and an investment. I waited 4 months for My hand-made signal & snake single-tail whips to be completed, well worth the wait.

Floggers are easier to attain, but to feel the weight and feel of the floggers,  like canes, it is best to hold them in hand and have a swoosh of them lol to ensure they are right for you.

I have purchased canes before online, and I was very disappointed with them,  too brittle and non-bendy. I only ever buy My tools from fetish market traders now, so I may have a feel of them, to ensure they are suitable.

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RE: Single tails/floggers/canes etc etc - 4/6/2007 7:02:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SimplySubmissive

http://www.snakepitleatherworks.com/

This is a great site, great to order from.  Lots of choices in leather, colors, handels, etc. They have some stock items as well. Awesome quality too.


Just a comment, if you are interested in purchasing from SPLW, Allan, the man who made the leather items, passed on early Wednesday. These items will fast become collectors items for those in the scene who value quality, as no more will be made (to the best of my knowledge) in the future. Get them now, as they won't be available in the near future.

I will say that I ordered rattan canes from JT's stockroom, and while they were cheap (inexpensive), when they came in they were also VERY CHEAP (poorly made). I occasionally purchase items from JTs but I am very cautious with my purchases with them anymore.

The canes that I love the most came from Prysm, a crafter local to my community, who also has a website. I LOVE her canes and have quite a few of them in my collection. Her delrin toys and other items are also reasonably priced, in my opinion.
http://prysmcreations.com/

I also heartily add words of praise to The London Tanner's items.  I have met Ian more than once and M has some of his more evil items in the toybag. These are great quality at really good prices.
http://www.thelondontanners.com

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RE: Single tails/floggers/canes etc etc - 4/6/2007 7:29:48 PM   
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Dear moki1984, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
I have most of my toy bags filled with "The Toy Bag" equipment before Ms. Heartwood sold the name and flogger business to Ms. Lori Dwinelle.  I often get mistaken for Lori's booth. [Chuckles]
 
Contact web sites are www.toybag.com and www.heartwoodwhips.com.
 
DeTails Toys - www.DeTailsToys.com have a lovely selection of floggers that are just as good as Sarah's Lashes.  I have purchased more of the cat's and the rose end flail.  It feels like a bunch of little fists and is a high impact weight to it without much effort.  The chain flails are rather good.  I will add, that DeTails Toys will custom make floggers and has made a matched pair of floggers for a friend of mine who does 'fire flogging.'
 
Most of my canes are by Dr. Z (local) however, they have put their business on hold at this time.  However, there is a failure rate of "zero" with their canes.  In addition, a few canes have been purchased through The Toy Bag.  I have other canes, to include aluminum arrow shafts (without the points), carbon arrow shaft (without the point), oak dowels in different diameters and treated by Sir Michael of West Virginia (gift).  I have also purchased from other vendors a variety of 'canes' and 'rods.'  Some of my ratan canes come from my salad days as a Master and are approximately 30 years old or older as some were owned previous by Masters.
 
My single tails (six in all) -- are 3 Three foot signal whips by David Morgan. Being a 'trick cracker' before a solid foot hold in the scene, I recommend in the comment box for those who don't have much strength in their arms to braid for a 'target cracker.'  All of the Morgan whips are 8 plat.  I do have 2 Rod (Roddy) Williams whips.  I have a custom snake 18 plat 3 foot snake with a 'deer cracker.' (The Deer cracker is like an arrow shaft and will draw blood) and a 3 foot snake 12 plat.  I also have a 3 foot 24 plat Joe Wheeler snake whip.
 
I do have 6 quirts that are Tex-Mex made with different leather ends.
These would be found in Western Tack Shops. The seventh quirt is made by person unknown and given as a gift.
 
I have approximately 10 paddles.  Most are made by The Toy Bag.  Others were hand made by one of the Dominants I came to know, made of Cherry.  Cheese boards, pledge paddles and other pervertables can come in different places; from The Dollar Store, AC Moore and or Michaels (Craft Store).
 
I do have some pieces made by "Leather" Bob Grimes; the same "Leather Bob" Grimes on the rear credits of "Screw the Roses--Give me the thorns; by Master Phil Miller and Molly Devon.  Leather Bob vends frequently at The Crucible in Washington, DC and Black Rose conventions.  I trust his cuffs fully.  I prefer the use of hasps that are secure in good leather.  I have most of my leather collars (as well as chain collars) that he has custom made.  His prices are extremely affordable.  He will do custom work.
 
For those who are starting out and cannot afford a huge expense, I highly recommend buying one (1) good flogger instead of three (3) cheap floggers.  In some of my presentations on flogging -- I have demonstrated by taking the flogger in it's made shape and size; by taking back some tails and tuck under your gripping hand, you can make several sensations.  Taking all but one (1) lash back of a flogger--you have a "poor man's single tail."  Taking all but two (2) lashes back and tucking the rest under the gripping hand, you have two tails/lashes like a quirt.  Taking all but 9 (nine) tails/lashes and tuck the rest under the gripping hand on the flogger's handle--you have a cat o nine tail (mild).  If the tails are long you can add wood or metal beads (often these beads are found for Afro-American hair styles or in craft stores.  Don't use plastic or glass and or any bead that will break) and place them in different areas of the flogger tails.  If the lashes are too long, you can knot them in different places but--make sure the knots don't touch each other so position them in the different levels or lengths of the lash/tail--the idea is to have the flogger lashes to hang close together.  You can take three (3) of the tails and braid them and at the end use a rubber band or sewing thread to tie them together for temporary 'braided cat o nine.'  You can remove half of the tails/lashes back and tuck under the gripping hand which will turn the flogger into a more stingy flogger.  One can also take the flogger and twist it like to twist water out like a mop and hold it until the last moment.  By time it twists free, the flogger will have hit the target.  The sensations by a deer flogger done in this manner will feel like a cow hide flogger.  In short--can increase the impact sensation and strength.
 
Rope is a nice plus to any toy bag.  Bulky though.  I use the backing from a notepad or a disguarded 'greeting card' as to tuck under the rope as I wrap the wrists and ankles.  This keeps the rope from digging into the skin uncomfortably and at the pressure/pulse points.
I use this 'trick' when I do body rope dress with those who may be full figured, as not to pinch the folds of their skin.  Once done into a corset like 'dressing' or other rope work--remove the cardboard and you have the finished product.  The 'victim' has a pleasant experience as well--not being pinched, pulled and tussled.  I also use cardboard for chain bondage without cuffs.  More for comfort reasons.
 
If you wish to use leather for cuffs yet, you cannot afford to purchase the cuffs you want; you may wish to use leather belts of the same width and length.  Wrap like you would an 'ace' bandage for a sprain and then add a machine ring (hardware store next to the chains) or a "D" ring as to create a bondage connecting point.  One can add 'horse halter tubing' to commercial cuffs or the wrapped leather for tender skin and comfort.  If you are unable to find halter tubes--you can buy fleece and or artificial fleece at material shops.  Still stuck for ideas--use socks you don't use or mismatched socks.  Just make sure you don't leave lumps or gathers under the wrap/cuffs.
 
Just a few thoughts ...
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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RE: Single tails/floggers/canes etc etc - 4/7/2007 11:41:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: hawkwolf7

Be careful when buying a single tail. Do lot's of research, take lots of classes. And as a general rule, you want kangaroo hide, at least 12 plaits, and if you plan on playing with more than one person, get a removable cracker. This is one case where you get what you pay for, so expect to pay $300 or more depending on length. Finally, I cannot recommend buying a single tail online. It would be best to actually feel the whip to make sure there aren't any bumps or discontinuities.


Agrees with HawkWolf.

My first single tail was a 3ft snake. I had it made by someone highly recomended and he gave me lessons afterwards to break the whip in. I still ended up with snake bites all over my face and neck lol, so thank goodness I had an expert at hand to get me moving the whip correctly.

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RE: Single tails/floggers/canes etc etc - 4/7/2007 1:31:35 PM   
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a well stocked toy bag is one thing

but what good does it do you if you have a big bag & no idea how to use the goodies

If you haven't acquired skills for any of these items then it would be best to select one at a time.

paddles canes & crop... even though they are rigid item they still require so practice & experience before you become adept at their use.

Floggers.... well you can just slap with them or you can get rather creative with their usage. It takes time & practice.

Single tails... this item requires a great deal more effort to master

All of these items & many more things such as rope bondage can be learned & most states have organizations who are local or travel to that teach these skills.

This was of course a fast reply & I'm not sure if it is completely off mark. Just my gut response reply to seeing that someone is looking to stock a play bag & what I have witnessed out in the world... people who dress the dress, pack the toys in fancy bags but lack skill to use anything they possess.

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RE: Single tails/floggers/canes etc etc - 4/7/2007 9:02:21 PM   
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Here are some of the vendors I buy from:

Acrylic Canes, Switches & Candles
http://www.kjcanes.com/Storefront.htm

Floggers
http://www.flogger.com/index.htm

Violet Wand
http://home.earthlink.net/~violetwanda/wands.html

Wax Candles
http://www.bdsmwaxplay.com/

Rope
http://www.rainbowrope.com/


Tigress~FL

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RE: Single tails/floggers/canes etc etc - 4/8/2007 10:52:19 PM   
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I stand corrected. Snake Pit Leather Works as a business was around before Allan's contributions to it, and from what I hear, it will probably continue, though there is a possibility that the selection might be more limited. I'm not sure what all was done exclusively by this well missed man.

My apologies for speaking out of turn before I knew all the facts.

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RE: Single tails/floggers/canes etc etc - 4/8/2007 10:56:53 PM   
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I just bought my Daddy an awesome whip and cane from extremerestraints.com ... yummy

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