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Sanity -> Iraq insurgents used children in car bombing (3/21/2007 6:36:49 AM)

Maybe Liberals are right. Maybe we shouldn't be fighting these people - maybe we should just let them have whatever it is that they want. Maybe it really IS the USA that is evil... and maybe monkeys really do fly out of Liberals' butts.

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Iraq insurgents use children in car bombing

Insurgents in Iraq detonated an explosives-rigged vehicle with two children in the back seat after US soldiers let it through a Baghdad checkpoint over the weekend, a senior US military official said Tuesday.

The vehicle was stopped at the checkpoint but was allowed through when soldiers saw the children in the back, said Major General Michael Barbero of the Pentagon's Joint Staff.

"Children in the back seat lowered suspicion. We let it move through. They parked the vehicle, and the adults ran out and detonated it with the children in the back," Barbero said.

The general said it was the first time he had seen a report of insurgents using children in suicide bombings. But he said Al-Qaeda in Iraq is changing tactics in response to the tighter controls around the city.

A US defense official said the incident occurred on Sunday in Baghdad's Adhamiyah district, a mixed neighborhood adjacent to Sadr City, which is predominantly Shiite.

After going through the checkpoint, the vehicle parked next to a market across the street from a school, said the official, who asked not to be identified.

"And the two adults were seen to get out of the vehicle, and run from the vehicle, and then followed by the detonation of the vehicle," the official said.


"It killed the two children inside as well as three other civilians in the vicinity. So, a total of five killed, seven injured," the official said.

Officials here said they did not know who the children were or their relationship to the two adults who fled the scene. They had no information about their ages or genders.

"The brutality and the ruthlessness of this enemy hasn't changed," said Barbero, deputy director of regional operations of the Joint Staff. "They are just interested in slaughtering Iraqi civilians, to be very honest."

Attacks on Iraqi civilians are down by a third and sectarian murders have fallen by 50 percent since mid-February when US and Iraqi forces began moving into Baghdad as part of a new security crackdown, the general said.
On the other hand, there has been no let-up in attacks on US forces by Al-Qaeda in Iraq and other Sunni extremist groups, he said.

The incidence of car bombings and suicide attacks, which are typically carried out by Sunni extremist groups against Shiites, also have gone up even though their effectiveness is down, he said.

"As our checkpoints, and control points have been more effective, as they try to execute these high profile attacks with these vehicle-borne IEDs (improvised explosive devices) in Baghdad, we're stopping a lot of them at these checkpoints and they are not getting to their intended targets," he said.

But he said they will change their tactics.


Barbero pointed to the recent use of chlorine bombs as another example of the shifting tactics.

Three trucks with chlorine were blown up by suicide bombers over the weekend in Al-Anbar province, killing two policemen and releasing toxic fumes that sickened an estimated 350 people.

Barbero said Al-Qaeda in Iraq appeared to be resorting to use of chlorine bombs to intimidate tribal leaders that have turned against them in Al-Anbar.

"We assess those as relatively ineffective. However, that is an emerging tactic that we are seeing."

"We think it will continue to be exercised in Iraq. Chlorine is readily accessible and we've had a number of these," he said.
He said US commanders remain concerned about the Shiite militias led by radical cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, even though US forces are now operating freely in Sadr City and his Mahdi army militia is quiet.

Sadr is still in Iran but in communication with leaders of his movement in Iraq, he said.

"Where we are with the leaders of his movement is at a pretty delicate point, and I probably don't want to talk any more about his followers, and where we are in our relationship with them," he said.






farglebargle -> RE: Iraq insurgents used children in car bombing (3/21/2007 6:43:35 AM)

Well, since our COMBAT TROOPS are ( as shown by their performance ) incapable of being effective OCCUPATION TROOPS, what do YOU consider "Winning", and how do you do it with combat troops, when occupation troops are needed.

Damnit. The Republican Guards would have made the nucleus of the "New Iraqi Police", IF L. Paul Bremer wasn't so criminally incompetent. And BUSH so damn negligent in his positive duty to properly Hire, Train, Supervise, Discipline, and Discharge one of his employees to permit Bremer that much latitude without oversight.





meatcleaver -> RE: Iraq insurgents used children in car bombing (3/21/2007 7:00:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Maybe Liberals are right. Maybe we shouldn't be fighting these people - maybe we should just let them have whatever it is that they want. Maybe it really IS the USA that is evil... and maybe monkeys really do fly out of Liberals' butts.



No matter how much chaff you throw in the air as a distraction, none of this would be happening if it wasn't for Bush's idiotic invasion.

Strange how you don't worry about your Israeli allies killing children.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOlzvhx9qOw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0Y8LTzmAJk

or just generally killing unarmed civilians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw0wi65dsYY

Why not have another, there is a lot of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjFYvGb2G_4




LadyEllen -> RE: Iraq insurgents used children in car bombing (3/21/2007 7:03:44 AM)

Are we really still of the belief that our side is really any better than the scum who did this?

We have spent decades supporting a state called Israel that engages in ethnic cleansing, constructs concentration camps, starves and treats like detritus a people from whom it took its land.

We have spent decades installing and supporting dictators in the middle east, and supplying them with the means to repress and torture anyone who spoke out.

We have spent the last few years, lying through our teeth to justify an attack on a sovereign state, and then allowed, maybe even authorised the most disgraceful actions to be taken against those suspected of speaking out at home, and even more disgraceful actions to be taken against those suspected in the country we invaded.

We have imprisoned in Guantanamo, without trial or charge or any protections under the Geneva Convention, those whom we swept up in our attacks, and permitted their abuse.

We have been seen to be less than honest in our dealings in the lands we conquered, perceived to be robbers rather than liberators, and spent far more time in lining our own pockets than in building a better life as we promised, in those lands.

We have authorised the kidnapping off the street, in Europe as well as elsewhere, of those suspected of speaking out against our actions, their secret removal to prisons and there, their torture.

And we still think we hold some moral high ground here? We still think that the anger against us is totally unjustified? We still think that we are the injured party?

There is nothing that would justify what was done with those children, but there is nothing either that justifies our evil intent and actions, and inactions, over the last few decades and especially the last few years. Sadly, I feel its probably all gone too far now for any peaceful resolution that does not ensue from the total defeat of one side or the other, by whatever means either side deems necessary, and we have only ourselves to blame for that.

E




Sanity -> RE: Iraq insurgents used children in car bombing (3/21/2007 7:31:33 AM)

So you're trying to claim that Bush created Muslim extremists then. I'm sorry, but you're grievously mistaken - Muslim extremists have been around for centuries, DESPITE what all of your friends keep telling you.

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

none of this would be happening if it wasn't for Bush's idiotic invasion.




mnottertail -> RE: Iraq insurgents used children in car bombing (3/21/2007 7:35:49 AM)

Saddam seemed to be handling them quite well, that kinda shit didn't happen on his watch.

MuslimExtremest




LadyEllen -> RE: Iraq insurgents used children in car bombing (3/21/2007 7:38:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

So you're trying to claim that Bush created Muslim extremists then. I'm sorry, but you're grievously mistaken - Muslim extremists have been around for centuries, DESPITE what all of your friends keep telling you.

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

none of this would be happening if it wasn't for Bush's idiotic invasion.



Sanity - no, Bush didnt create these angry people; we as the west have been doing that for a long time, going back before Bush was even born. What Bush did though, was to exacerbate the situation with his stupidity and permit or authorise those working for him to act in ways that have only served to hinder the whole scenario.

The 911 attacks cannot be laid at Bush's door either. They were long in the planning; much too long for them to have been motivated against him, and after all were it not for a strange election he would not have been president at the time. But neither were they generated in specific response to Clinton either - all of this was generated over decades, going back as far as the post war era and maybe even before, when we Brits didnt exactly cover ourselves with glory in the region either.

E




farglebargle -> RE: Iraq insurgents used children in car bombing (3/21/2007 8:09:16 AM)


The point is that Hussein, for all his faults, managed to keep the Sunni/Shi'a Civil War ( In which US Troops are incidental targets) from happening.

Bremer comes in, destroys all semblance of order, and sets up the current Sunni/Shi'a Civil War.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

So you're trying to claim that Bush created Muslim extremists then. I'm sorry, but you're grievously mistaken - Muslim extremists have been around for centuries, DESPITE what all of your friends keep telling you.

quote:

ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

none of this would be happening if it wasn't for Bush's idiotic invasion.






puella -> RE: Iraq insurgents used children in car bombing (3/21/2007 10:16:45 AM)

... Or even killing young Americans.. remember the American girl who was bulldozed over by the Israeli army while trying to protect some Palestinians and their homes from that fate?   Never got much coverage here, for some reason.

I wish I could find that Channel 4 special report I saw on it when I was in Britain.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,915725,00.html




farglebargle -> RE: Iraq insurgents used children in car bombing (3/21/2007 10:26:13 AM)

Rachel Corey.





slaveluci -> RE: Iraq insurgents used children in car bombing (3/21/2007 10:35:44 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

So you're trying to claim that Bush created Muslim extremists then. I'm sorry, but you're grievously mistaken - Muslim extremists have been around for centuries, DESPITE what all of your friends keep telling you.

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

none of this would be happening if it wasn't for Bush's idiotic invasion.


No, he didn't "create" them.....He just provided them with lots of American victims and stirred their hatred against the U.S. to an even greater degree.  He didn't cause the problem, he only exacerbated it.......slave luci




popeye1250 -> RE: Iraq insurgents used children in car bombing (3/21/2007 10:42:00 AM)

And people are surprised at this because?




LotusSong -> RE: Iraq insurgents used children in car bombing (3/21/2007 1:53:19 PM)

The mentality of these people are such that they would do this irregardless. Us being there isn't going to change a thing.  IMHO




NorthernGent -> RE: Iraq insurgents used children in car bombing (3/21/2007 1:57:14 PM)

It's no surprise, here. A minority of the muslim world are neanderthals.

So, we have two sets of neanderthals up against each other - the US and British governments and their supporters versus the more fundamentalist elements in the Middle East. It's hard to tell who are the worst - they're both power crazed.

Nothing new to see here, pal.





mnottertail -> RE: Iraq insurgents used children in car bombing (3/21/2007 1:59:44 PM)

NG, anything in gaming theory on this one?  Can we game an outcome? Seems like Rumsfeld and co should have played a littme more atari.

Ron




caitlyn -> RE: Iraq insurgents used children in car bombing (3/21/2007 2:05:56 PM)

Are you aware how many children die dreadful deaths on the streets of paradise each year? Blowing them up, might just be merciful.
 
There are bad people out there, and they exist wherever you look. If we are going to start looking for bad acts, and using those as excuses for war ... we are going to need a much bigger army.




NorthernGent -> RE: Iraq insurgents used children in car bombing (3/21/2007 2:23:52 PM)

Sounds about right to me, Ron. Only one outcome - more death followed by withdrawal. It's a different mindset ain't it, talk about biting off more than they can chew.... 





paulthesub -> RE: Iraq insurgents used children in car bombing (3/21/2007 2:24:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

The mentality of these people are such that they would do this irregardless. Us being there isn't going to change a thing.  IMHO


Poor grammar aside, do you really think that they would be using suicide bombers like this if the US hadn't invaded Iraq?

Oh and if you (the USA) being there isn't going to change a thing why be there in the first place?




popeye1250 -> RE: Iraq insurgents used children in car bombing (3/21/2007 2:34:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

Sounds about right to me, Ron. Only one outcome - more death followed by withdrawal. It's a different mindset ain't it, talk about biting off more than they can chew.... 




Gent, after we pull out and they really start killing each other the Moonbats will be saying we shouldn't have pulled out and chiding us to "do something!"  "Wah! Wah, Wah!"




farglebargle -> RE: Iraq insurgents used children in car bombing (3/21/2007 2:42:16 PM)

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and they really start killing each other


Too Late, they're already doing it. The US troops are just incidental targets in the Full-on Shi'a/Sunni Civil War.







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