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RE: Life is great here for illegals! Come one, come all! - 2/11/2007 9:05:59 PM   
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RE: Life is great here for illegals! Come one, come all! - 2/11/2007 9:08:37 PM   
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How many millions of jobs have been lost because this stupid government we live under? Spare me the crap that the economy thrives on illegal labor. That's total bull!


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RE: Life is great here for illegals! Come one, come all! - 2/11/2007 9:24:42 PM   
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I guess you missed the fifty-fucking-thousand times that people have pointed out that there are places in this country that have economies tied to these workers.
 
It's isn't as simple as just saying "enforce the laws." It is a much more complicated problem ... but, I'm more than willing to pay for you to move down to McAllen and pick fruit for a living.
 
By the way, the illegals doing that, make pretty good money. The people that keep insisting (as in, "Say it enough and some dumb fuck might believe it.") that companies are doing it for slave labor, are just ill-informed. In the Rio Grande Valley, there just aren't enough American citizens to drive this thriving industry.




A similar argument was brought forward by a contingent of southerners right before slavery was abolished:  They said who's going to pick the cotton? The cotton got picked alright ; they just had to pay a lil' more.

In a utopian society where the people are truly the bosses.....George Bush would be beaten silly by angry group with rubber hoses if he failed to follow the will of the people.






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RE: Life is great here for illegals! Come one, come all! - 2/11/2007 9:27:15 PM   
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caitlyn:
How much are they paying to pick fruit there?
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RE: Life is great here for illegals! Come one, come all! - 2/11/2007 9:31:22 PM   
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caitlyn:
How much are they paying to pick fruit there?
thompson


OMG ROFL, you guys are funny as hell

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RE: Life is great here for illegals! Come one, come all! - 2/11/2007 9:33:40 PM   
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I guess you missed the fifty-fucking-thousand times that people have pointed out that there are places in this country that have economies tied to these workers.
 
It's isn't as simple as just saying "enforce the laws." It is a much more complicated problem ... but, I'm more than willing to pay for you to move down to McAllen and pick fruit for a living.
 
By the way, the illegals doing that, make pretty good money. The people that keep insisting (as in, "Say it enough and some dumb fuck might believe it.") that companies are doing it for slave labor, are just ill-informed. In the Rio Grande Valley, there just aren't enough American citizens to drive this thriving industry.




A similar argument was brought forward by a contingent of southerners right before slavery was abolished:  They said who's going to pick the cotton? The cotton got picked alright ; they just had to pay a lil' more.

In a utopian society where the people are truly the bosses.....George Bush would be beaten silly by angry group with rubber hoses if he failed to follow the will of the people.

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Exactly big business is profiting big time from all this, that is the reason why NOTHING is being done.

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RE: Life is great here for illegals! Come one, come all! - 2/11/2007 9:41:46 PM   
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RE: Life is great here for illegals! Come one, come all! - 2/11/2007 9:44:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Eight'ish for agra workers. Dangerous work though ... we have lots of naughty crawly things down here.
 
Construction workers do much better ... most make in the low teens, unless they are completely unskilled.

Edited to add: What you might notice, if you lived down here, is that most of these businesses run continual ads, looking for more legal workers ... especially the construction companies. I will buy a Houston Cronicle tomorrow and report on how many construction firms are running ads looking for people.

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RE: Life is great here for illegals! Come one, come all! - 2/11/2007 9:51:58 PM   
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Eight'ish for agra workers. Dangerous work though ... we have lots of naughty crawly things down here.
 
Construction workers do much better ... most make in the low teens, unless they are completely unskilled.

Edited to add: What you might notice, if you lived down here, is that most of these businesses run continual ads, looking for more legal workers ... especially the construction companies I will buy a Houston Cronicle tomorrow and report on how many construction firms are running ads looking for people.


caitlyn:
Would you pick citrus for 8 bux an hour?  I can't imagine why they can't find a citizen to work for such wages.
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RE: Life is great here for illegals! Come one, come all! - 2/11/2007 9:56:56 PM   
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Eight'ish for agra workers. Dangerous work though ... we have lots of naughty crawly things down here.
 
Construction workers do much better ... most make in the low teens, unless they are completely unskilled.

Edited to add: What you might notice, if you lived down here, is that most of these businesses run continual ads, looking for more legal workers ... especially the construction companies I will buy a Houston Cronicle tomorrow and report on how many construction firms are running ads looking for people.


caitlyn:
Would you pick citrus for 8 bux an hour?
thompson


thompsonX, I like you.  :)

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RE: Life is great here for illegals! Come one, come all! - 2/11/2007 10:00:35 PM   
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Eight'ish for agra workers. Dangerous work though ... we have lots of naughty crawly things down here.
 
Construction workers do much better ... most make in the low teens, unless they are completely unskilled.

Edited to add: What you might notice, if you lived down here, is that most of these businesses run continual ads, looking for more legal workers ... especially the construction companies I will buy a Houston Cronicle tomorrow and report on how many construction firms are running ads looking for people.


caitlyn:
Would you pick citrus for 8 bux an hour?
thompson


thompsonX, I like you.  :)


MzMia:
You are just saying that cuz its true.
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RE: Life is great here for illegals! Come one, come all! - 2/11/2007 10:05:20 PM   
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I will point out though:
 
$8 is significantly above minimum wage.
More than you get paid working at a fast food place, which has some skill involved.
No taxes are taken out.
 
See, you're actually making my point. Exactly how much do you think we should have to pay, to attract people with absolutely no job skills? 

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RE: Life is great here for illegals! Come one, come all! - 2/11/2007 10:28:40 PM   
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I don't even clean my room.
 
I will point out though:
 
$8 is significantly above minimum wage.
More than you get paid working at a fast food place, which has some skill involved.
No taxes are taken out.
 
See, you're actually making my point. Exactly how much do you think we should have to pay, to attract people with absolutely no job skills? 


caitlyn:
Clearly you have never picked citrus...it is a skill and if you do it wrong you ruin the fruit.
American citizens who pick citris here in California get about $12 dollars an hour and they get workmans comp, social security, unemployment insurance, and medical.  They get time and a half for overtime 30 minutes for lunch and two 15 minute breaks.  The Sunkist growers assn members make serious money on their investment and do not resort to using illegal aliens as slave labor.
How do you know no taxes are taken out?  In fact you do not even know how much they are paid at all.  When you say 8 ish my best guess based on personal knowledge of the citrus growers in California that do employee illegal aliens it is closer to $5.50.  You can't even hire a baby sitter for that kind of money.  The federal poverty level is close to $10.00 per hour.  They get no social security but it is taken out and put in the growers pocket.  They get no unemployment but it is taken out and put in the owners pocket.  They get no workmans comp.  they have income tax witheld but it goes in the owners pocket. As I mentioned to you before that is slavery.  If you were to take the cost of a slave in pre civil war America and adjust the cost of purchase for inflation add in the cost of maintaining that slave.  Amortize that over the productive life time of the slave it is far cheaper to hire an illegal alien than to have a real slave.
Now if that is not slavery how would you characterize it?
thompson

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RE: Life is great here for illegals! Come one, come all! - 2/11/2007 10:30:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree, our government is now disfunctional in this area.
The next few elections are going to see even more congressmen and senators being thrown out if they try anymore of that shit!
(Make my day, Congressman/ Senator!)
Any congressman or senator who is for any type of amnesty while 98% of his or her constituents are against it has to be taking money from the big corporations and businesses. (And that means they're corrupt and belong in jail!)
Most likely that or they just aren't fucking LISTENING to their constituents.
We here in S. Carolina will be throwing that BUM Lindsey Graham out on his ass in '08. People are bullshit at him!
He won't know what hit him come election day!

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RE: Life is great here for illegals! Come one, come all! - 2/11/2007 11:52:43 PM   
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No one is talking about stopping all immigration. People just want ILLEGAL immigration stopped. There are 1.2 million illegal aliens crossing into the United States every year. Some of them could be carrying disease, and terrorists can cross into the US through this route.
Number one way disease is transmitted is through refugees and immigration. This is accoring to the World Health Organization.

We have caught illegals with typhoid fever, measles, whooping cough, and even a case of bubonic plague.
Our hospital rooms are shutting down in the border states. Maternity wards have shut down. In my city there are 3 hospitals. Two of the hospitals have stopped delivering babies because the hospital can no longer afford pregnant illegals going into the ER, having the baby delivered, and then walk out without paying a dime.

This insanity needs to stop. Secure the border!!!


Americans weren't too worried about terrorism when they were funding Irish terrorism. As for desease, I haven't been aware of any outbreaks of contageous deseases in America caused by illegal Mexicans. If there was really a chance of that the US authorities would be helping Mexico out because such deseases don't heed borders. If the hospitals are closing down, that is not a problem of illegals but a problem of politics. Europe manages to give medical care to its illegals without having to close hospitals down. Most illegals do work and contribute to society even if indirectly and even if they didn't, just out of pure human decency people should care for the people in their midst, illegal or not.

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RE: Life is great here for illegals! Come one, come all! - 2/12/2007 5:56:25 AM   
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why is it lately people keep complaining all the time about illegals? can you blame people for being born in a backwards third world society with no jobs or prospect of self-betterment for wanting to come to the US....God forbid- to work! what a crime!


For the same reason your government complains about you if you work and pay no taxes. Services are being swamped in this country by people who offer no contribution to those services except the cheap lettuce and cauliflower on your plate at dinner. A large portion of the money earned is then shipped out of the country to support a failed and corrupt system of government. Mexico isn't concerned about its people as much as it is concerned about the money earned here comprises a large portion of its GNP.

We are their relief valve. The solution to this problem doesn't take an act of genius. Create a worker program that identifies and tracks users, adjust the born in this country = citizen of this country law to except those here on work permits, require employers to register workers by permit, and as the initial poster indicated, enforce the law. Part of that law should be severe penalties for any US employer who does not register their employees.

Send a few CEO's to jail, and this problem will resolve itself.

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RE: Life is great here for illegals! Come one, come all! - 2/12/2007 6:34:57 AM   
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why is it lately people keep complaining all the time about illegals? can you blame people for being born in a backwards third world society with no jobs or prospect of self-betterment for wanting to come to the US....God forbid- to work! what a crime!


For the same reason your government complains about you if you work and pay no taxes.
The ultra rich pay a disporportionately small tax ...so small as to be no tax at all.  Instead of being castigated they are praised for thier skill at avoiding the inconvenience of paying their fair share...I would invite your attention to the book "Perfectly Legal" by David  Cay Johnson.

Services are being swamped in this country by people who offer no contribution to those services except the cheap lettuce and cauliflower on your plate at dinner.

This is often said but never proven.  Schools are paid for by property taxes and unless you live under a bridge or in a dumpster then you pay property tax.  Income and social security taxes are deducted from the workers pay but pocketed by the employer.


A large portion of the money earned is then shipped out of the country to support a failed and corrupt system of government.

Actualy it is shipped to their families to feed and clothe them as you would do for your family.  Is not a worker entitled to spend his or her money in any way they see fit?

Mexico isn't concerned about its people as much as it is concerned about the money earned here comprises a large portion of its GNP.

Perhaps you might enlighten us as to just how large that portion is.  Keep in mind that California is the 6th largest economy in the world and Mexico is California's biggest customer.

We are their relief valve.
We would all be interested in knowing just what this phrase means.  Do you think you might enlighten us with some specifics?


The solution to this problem doesn't take an act of genius. Create a worker program that identifies and tracks users, adjust the born in this country = citizen of this country law to except those here on work permits, require employers to register workers by permit, and as the initial poster indicated, enforce the law. Part of that law should be severe penalties for any US employer who does not register their employees.

If perhaps wages were comensurate with the labor U.S. citizens might avail themselves of these jobs we now import slaves for.


Send a few CEO's to jail, and this problem will resolve itself.
In addition to sending a few CEO's to jail the government might also avail itself of the asset forfieture laws to relieve these corporations of the property they have amassed as a result of their illegal behaviour.
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RE: Life is great here for illegals! Come one, come all! - 2/12/2007 6:41:07 AM   
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I agree, our government is now disfunctional in this area.
The next few elections are going to see even more congressmen and senators being thrown out if they try anymore of that shit!
(Make my day, Congressman/ Senator!)
Any congressman or senator who is for any type of amnesty while 98% of his or her constituents are against it has to be taking money from the big corporations and businesses. (And that means they're corrupt and belong in jail!)
Most likely that or they just aren't fucking LISTENING to their constituents.
We here in S. Carolina will be throwing that BUM Lindsey Graham out on his ass in '08. People are bullshit at him!
He won't know what hit him come election day!



Popeye, I am hiring.

Here are some of the positions.

Maid, $0.12 a day
Gardner $0.15 a day
Butler   $0.30 a day
Handyman $0.20 a day
Musasse  $0.10 a day

Excort/model/whore   $0.03 a session.


Perks include all the coffee you can drink, doubel caffinated of course.

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RE: Life is great here for illegals! Come one, come all! - 2/12/2007 6:56:06 AM   
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Actually.. I worked for a large US company for ten years where I made the luxurious sum of 8.75 an hour then lost my job due to my health.
I do not qualify for: Medicaid, Medicare, SSI disability. I've been turned down a multitude of times because I own my home (actually my father bought it for me) and had to work part time for the last 5 years.
My medication costs me over 1000.00 a month & that is using generics! I did my budget & I will be selling my home this spring to live off that equity. I'm lucky actually, most do not have that choice.
I get angry and resentful knowing that so many that are not citizens here receive such help.

Take care of our own, before we take care of the rest seems to be an alien *s* concept.
Tax the businesses that use illegal workers.
Every hire that is illegal should be heavily fined.

I have NO problem with folks wanting to live here, I don't even have a big issue with folks breaking the law to live here.
I DO have issue with those that use them instead of american workers.
Going after illegals is fruitless *s again*, that will not stop. Going after those that support them is the way to go.

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RE: Life is great here for illegals! Come one, come all! - 2/12/2007 7:25:19 AM   
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Services are being swamped in this country by people who offer no contribution to those services except the cheap lettuce and cauliflower on your plate at dinner.

This is often said but never proven.  Schools are paid for by property taxes and unless you live under a bridge or in a dumpster then you pay property tax.  Income and social security taxes are deducted from the workers pay but pocketed by the employer.
 

 
Center for Immigration Services:
 

  • Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of almost $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per illegal household.


  • Among the largest costs are Medicaid ($2.5 billion); treatment for the uninsured ($2.2 billion); food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches ($1.9 billion); the federal prison and court systems ($1.6 billion); and federal aid to schools ($1.4 billion).

    There's a lot more. Be responsible and do some of your own research though rather than asking someone else to do it for you.


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    Mexico isn't concerned about its people as much as it is concerned about the money earned here comprises a large portion of its GNP.

    Perhaps you might enlighten us as to just how large that portion is.  Keep in mind that California is the 6th largest economy in the world and Mexico is California's biggest customer.



    According to figures compiled by Marije van Lidthe de Jeude, a Dutch anthropologist and independent researcher who has worked with the United Nations and other international organizations, Central American remittances have grown "exponentially" since 1990, reaching a point in 2003 when migrant dollars constituted 20 percent of the gross national product (GNP) of El Salvador and 30 percent of the GNP of Nicaragua. For Mexico, the figure is about 2 %.

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    We are their relief valve.
    We would all be interested in knowing just what this phrase means.  Do you think you might enlighten us with some specifics?



    Study the American Revolution and the French Revolution. Systems of government do not change on their own, nor will they ever change when all those who would affect that change are bled off into easier environs.

    You seem to mistake my post for debating whether or not they should be allowed to come here and work. I'm not. Our economy has evolved to virtually require their presence. The status quo however is nothing more than an unannounced invasion. Either we control it, or it will eventually control us.

    It's not rocket science. Spend some time doing the research instead of arguing points over which you have little to no understanding.




     
     
     

     

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