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RE: Getting to know me or just my lifestyle? - 12/6/2006 12:40:14 PM   
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If a woman is lets say a waitress or a doctor why to hell would I care?  I am the dom and the bread winner I could not care what a woman does for a living because in general what a woman does for a living does not effect the relationship.  


(pained, irritated sigh)

lovely.  nothing like a good off-the-cuff rant to show your best side...

try this on for size.  your sub is a human being, not a block of wood for your personal chopping pleasure.  perhaps she might actually enjoy her chosen vocation.  perhaps it is a source of income, self-esteem, and the product of years of hard effort.  so that has no bearing on a relationship?

check your head, please. 




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RE: Getting to know me or just my lifestyle? - 12/6/2006 12:46:43 PM   
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specially when our likes n kinks are spelled out on the interests portion
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I've gotten that a lot too, and it always really put me off talking to them further. If they're just interested in my kinks, I'm not interested in talking to them.

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RE: Getting to know me or just my lifestyle? - 12/6/2006 1:08:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Mist, I have seen it from both genders and both sides of the whip/paddle. Those darn doms are not the only troublemakers in this arena.

I have had female sub/slaves do exactly the same thing. I finally have just put it right out there in the beginning of conversing. I do not want to talk about sex/kink until I get to know you ALOT better. I want a relationship, not a play session.
Another thing I wanted to add after reading Pony's post but forgot.

I specifically chose to avoid all of the kink related questions on my profile. No, I am not at all vanilla in my relationship interests.

I prefer someone to approach me as a human being, not a kink provider



My point EXACTLY!

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RE: Getting to know me or just my lifestyle? - 12/6/2006 1:09:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: catfood

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ORIGINAL: PONYSEEKER

If a woman is lets say a waitress or a doctor why to hell would I care?  I am the dom and the bread winner I could not care what a woman does for a living because in general what a woman does for a living does not effect the relationship.  


(pained, irritated sigh)

lovely.  nothing like a good off-the-cuff rant to show your best side...

try this on for size.  your sub is a human being, not a block of wood for your personal chopping pleasure.  perhaps she might actually enjoy her chosen vocation.  perhaps it is a source of income, self-esteem, and the product of years of hard effort.  so that has no bearing on a relationship?

check your head, please. 




Thank you thank you thank you!

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RE: Getting to know me or just my lifestyle? - 12/6/2006 1:24:50 PM   
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What a woman does for a living, does effect me. I lived with an artist who's passion for painting equaled her passion to be a submissive.  It was inspiring in ways I can't begin to express. Non of us are one-dimensional and for a Dom/Domme not to take that into account is sophmoric to say the least. The world is real out there folks and many things besides our kinks and fetishes affect our lives. Shallowness is not a virtue!

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RE: Getting to know me or just my lifestyle? - 12/6/2006 1:25:28 PM   
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Here's the deal.

I see alot of whining from males (both Dom and sub/slave)  about their inability to connect with a woman (both Domme and sub/slave on this site. Perhaps those that are doing the whining need to reconsider their approach.

I know men's and women's brain work very differently in many ways. Most men think sexual gratification first, relationship....maybe someday. Most women think relationship, sexual gratification as part of that relationship.

NOTE: I am saying most, not all!!!!!!!!!

Aside from those that do not follow the above pattern......a man approaching a woman, wether it be in the grocery store or on-line, needs, yes I said NEEDS, to understand how the women they are approaching think and what is going to appeal to HER. Forget about the good stuff that makes your pecker hard for a few and concentrate on catching her interest.

If ya cannot do that, go buy a freakin blow up doll and dress it up. You will have better luck.

All that from a lesbian that scores pretty well when she puts forth any effort. I do have a clue how the female brain works.

(I should open a consulting service for clueless hetro men............)

< Message edited by LaTigresse -- 12/6/2006 1:26:06 PM >


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RE: Getting to know me or just my lifestyle? - 12/6/2006 1:36:10 PM   
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Ok i did do a search for this but didn't come up with much, maybe i didnt put the right search words in i dont know.
Just recently (haven't noticed it before) I have come across a string of Dom's whose opening conversation is along the lines of 'what are you into?', 'do you like pain, humiliation etc etc etc?'.
There has been no 'what do you do for a living?', 'what are your hobbies etc etc etc?' and i find this really weird!
For me the first steps are getting to know someone and finding out about them, their lives. Of course this involves some lifestyle talk but surely the first steps have to be a basic do we get on kind of thing.
I'm just wondering and i'm sure i will find the answer is many lol how many of you have experienced the dive straight in technique?
Also if you are a dom/domme and you tend to dive straight in - why?


I've found this a standard (though boring and predictable) thing that many chaps ask.  I think sometimes it's partly that they are trying to find some common ground *in kink* etc. as a springboard to further chat. I am not offended or bothered by it but I can't enlighten them either, as I'm not *into* anything apart from my Master.

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RE: Getting to know me or just my lifestyle? - 12/6/2006 1:44:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

(I should open a consulting service for clueless hetro men............)


Yes you should :)
Actually perhaps we could have a Collar me online class so to speak. It would cut down on all these "why can't I find a submissive" threads!

Picture it.....you......school teacher........could be interesting ;)

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RE: Getting to know me or just my lifestyle? - 12/6/2006 1:47:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: drawntothedark

quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

(I should open a consulting service for clueless hetro men............)


Yes you should :)
Actually perhaps we could have a Collar me online class so to speak. It would cut down on all these "why can't I find a submissive" threads!

Picture it.....you......school teacher........could be interesting ;)


Ooooohhhhhhhhhhhh...............what a delicious idea!!


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RE: Getting to know me or just my lifestyle? - 12/6/2006 1:50:36 PM   
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Personally, I don't bother with profiles that have nothing besides the basics.

As far as interests are concerned I'd much rather see your kink side than the vanilla because there's very little on your vanilla side I can't get involved in. For example my last wife was a birdwatcher and I'd never been birding in my life. Sat. afternoons were a lot of fun going out in nature looking for birds to add to my life list. So I'm not worried about a lady's vanilla side. Doesn't mean I ignore it.

I'm never rude but I do tend to approach the kink first. Compatability in the lifestyle is
far more critical in my estimation. It's where you'll run into the most snags. So why spend a week or two on the vanilla side only to run into "i'm not into that" on the first mention of kink. I can't afford to spend that much time on non-deal breakers.


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RE: Getting to know me or just my lifestyle? - 12/6/2006 1:56:29 PM   
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Personally I think just focusing on "kinks" is a bit shallow. IF you don't "click" with someone and get on, then any fun you might end up having isn't going to work. So I do try and get to know someone, as a person first, but y experience is that a fair number of the women I talk to want to chat about the lifestyle, and when I do try and ask more about them as people, either go quiet, or bring the topic back to bdsm. I like to get to know them as people first,but I think some people feel thats trying to get to close to soon.

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RE: Getting to know me or just my lifestyle? - 12/6/2006 2:44:03 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

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ORIGINAL: drawntothedark

quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

(I should open a consulting service for clueless hetro men............)


Yes you should :)
Actually perhaps we could have a Collar me online class so to speak. It would cut down on all these "why can't I find a submissive" threads!

Picture it.....you......school teacher........could be interesting ;)


Ooooohhhhhhhhhhhh...............what a delicious idea!!



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RE: Getting to know me or just my lifestyle? - 12/6/2006 3:24:10 PM   
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Okay, missturbation, as you request:

  • What do you do for a living?
  • What are your hobbies etc etc etc?
  • Why aren't you on your knees already?

(chuckling) Yes, you do have a good point and I do include the questions you suggest. What sensible person wouldn't? Of course our forum is highly sexual, so one shouldn't be offended by sexual questions.


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RE: Getting to know me or just my lifestyle? - 12/6/2006 4:51:32 PM   
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I agree.
I ask about occupation.
I ask about vanilla interests.
But I also ask about BDSM interests and past experiences with Dommes and past relationships.  This gives me a clue, especially since so many profiles give me no information at all.
At least this way I hope to get a "whole picture" of a person.

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RE: Getting to know me or just my lifestyle? - 12/6/2006 5:53:15 PM   
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Thanks.  It just annoys me when someone assumes a sub can't make a decent living or feel great about her profession.  I put years into my business and it is a major reason why I am not relocatable.  Recently I had a local dominant contact me and give me the old spiel about my former dom not being prepared for the unexpected circumstances that ended us.  The emails he dropped to me implied that HE (the local guy I dont know) would never be caught unprepared.

LOL.. then a few emails down the line I find out what he does for a living.  Let's just say there is no "breadwinning" potential there.
Hey guys... some of us love our jobs!  And do a darned good job at it.
Kyst

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ORIGINAL: catfood

quote:

ORIGINAL: PONYSEEKER

If a woman is lets say a waitress or a doctor why to hell would I care?  I am the dom and the bread winner I could not care what a woman does for a living because in general what a woman does for a living does not effect the relationship.  


(pained, irritated sigh)

lovely.  nothing like a good off-the-cuff rant to show your best side...

try this on for size.  your sub is a human being, not a block of wood for your personal chopping pleasure.  perhaps she might actually enjoy her chosen vocation.  perhaps it is a source of income, self-esteem, and the product of years of hard effort.  so that has no bearing on a relationship?

check your head, please. 




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RE: Getting to know me or just my lifestyle? - 12/6/2006 7:27:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: missturbation

Ok i did do a search for this but didn't come up with much, maybe i didnt put the right search words in i dont know.
Just recently (haven't noticed it before) I have come across a string of Dom's whose opening conversation is along the lines of 'what are you into?', 'do you like pain, humiliation etc etc etc?'.
There has been no 'what do you do for a living?', 'what are your hobbies etc etc etc?' and i find this really weird!
For me the first steps are getting to know someone and finding out about them, their lives. Of course this involves some lifestyle talk but surely the first steps have to be a basic do we get on kind of thing.
I'm just wondering and i'm sure i will find the answer is many lol how many of you have experienced the dive straight in technique?
Also if you are a dom/domme and you tend to dive straight in - why?


Oh, i can't stand that either!     At least not as an initial email of interest anyway.
 
First of all, my 'mini-novelette profile' (lol) tells a lot about what i am looking for.  i have also filled out the interests to give at least some idea of what i am into or curious about.  i do appreciate when someone writes and asks me to read his profile to see if i think we have things in common to pursue further.  Blank profiles do me no good as i have nothing to draw from to determine possible compatibility.
 
But i agree, the initial 'so what is your kink?' just drives me nuts.  Those don't usually seem to go very far for me 
 
DG
 

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RE: Getting to know me or just my lifestyle? - 12/6/2006 7:36:23 PM   
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To be on the other side of this, there was one particular kink/fetish that I wanted to know about in a guy's profile and if they did not mention it I would ask, and that is if they were sadistic or not. I thought it was important that I be upfront about my masochism with all the men that showed interest before they invested any time in me because if they were not into inflicting pain then I wanted that information before I likewise invested myself in them. It was as important to me as whether or not they were dominant or submissive ... but that is just me, and other people do not have strong preferences for sadism one way or the other.

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RE: Getting to know me or just my lifestyle? - 12/6/2006 7:43:44 PM   
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~~ general reply ~~

Maybe I am just and oddball but personally, I would perfer that a man open the conversation kink wise. Mainly so that I can see if that is ALL that he has on his mind.

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  (pained, irritated sigh)

lovely.  nothing like a good off-the-cuff rant to show your best side...

try this on for size.  your sub is a human being, not a block of wood for your personal chopping pleasure.  perhaps she might actually enjoy her chosen vocation.  perhaps it is a source of income, self-esteem, and the product of years of hard effort.  so that has no bearing on a relationship?

check your head, please. 



some actually could care less what their slave/submissive does for a living. Master never asked me until I happened to mention one day that my vacation was over soon and I had to go back to work.

In addition to that, some Dominants/Masters REALLY DO NOT want their submisives/slaves working; so what ever kind of job they have has NO bearing on the relationship at all.



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RE: Getting to know me or just my lifestyle? - 12/6/2006 8:54:46 PM   
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Well who says you cannot have an interest in ALL of the person ,vanilla, kink,whatever and talk about it ALL...Of course I want the interest to be about me first, the person, but me is also a submissive ..So to concentrate only on one and not the other would only give you half the person ,half the info, and thus an inaccurate portrayal......So which comes first?...How about Hello!...Tempting

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RE: Getting to know me or just my lifestyle? - 12/6/2006 9:25:02 PM   
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I don't have a "policy" on how to handle this, I just kind of feel my way through it on an individual basis. I know this doesn't sound precise, or maybe even make sense, and it might sound dangerous But - I usually end up answering almost any question someone might ask (unless I sense they are an HNG (Horny Net Geek - trolling for just talk about sex, period. Not interested in any kind of friendship or relationship at all). If they are an HNG, it's usually pretty obvious to me right off the bat, or after a few e-mails.

Differentiating the two, for me, is that someone who is not an HNG (to me) will attempt to make some social conversation for at least a few paragraphs or e-mails that does not revolve around bdsm activity. I am not sure how other submssives feel about this, but for me, that is how I generally decide if they are one or not. I hate "labelling" people, btw, and don't particularly like that term, but only used it because it does instantly convey the kind of things these folks do (most people know what a person like this acts like, amd unless I miss my guess, many submissives and-or slaves have been contacted a person like this).

Maybe I've passed up talking to some wonderful people due to jumping to conclusions about them being HNG's. Hope not. But - a little social converasation matters (to me) and also deeper conversation as well  - I am trying to get to know the whole person. if they narrow the conversation down that way right off the bat, I can't get to know them as well as I'd maybe like to know them.    

But - I don't mind talking about bdsm activity (at all), or my preferences. It's a lot nicer (to me) if someone attempts to make an effort to at least ask about me as a person, first - I agree with missturbation. Otherwise I feel like an object only (I appreciate Objectification, but can't we "know eachother better" first? hehe).

But - when one considers that I've not committed to seeing anyone, or having activity with someone, in the span of a few simple e-mails, I feel not very threatened by bdsm talk of preferences, etc. I enjoy it as much as the next person.  But I do want to attempt get to know someone before I "engage" (and I am not referring to cybersex here - although I have no problem with people who enjoy that. I mean discussing why people like what they like, and what specifically about it makes them happy. Or just general bdsm questions I don't know the anwers to or are curious about, for instance. 

There have been people I've e-mailed who think when I ask questions about bdsm actvity in general that I am more than simply curious, when the honest-to-God's truth (97% of the time, unless we've established some kind of "relationship") is it's usually simply sincere intellectual curiosity I am operating under, not "horniness". If it was personal, my question would relate much more specifically to them as an individual. 

I can understand why this possible mis-understanding might happen, but whenever I'v e brought this up to the person I am e-mailing or someone else, (which I've only done twice) I seem to get one of two reactions from people: They treat me like I was a rape victim who "led someone on" by wearing a skirt that was too short, or else they say "well what would you think"? I've seen these same people say things to others like:

"There is no such thing as stupid question, you should feel free to ask questions", etc. I can maybe see why this might happen but - Well - which is it? Can't a person just ask questions and be curious? How else am I supposed to learn anything here? I suppose I could read books (and I do. Someone here a few months ago gave me a whoile reading list and I am working my way through it. I asm grateful they did, too). Maybe some people think I am an HNG (I am not and never have been).

Whether delving into bdsm talk we both want (if it happens at all) takes a day or a month, or a few months or a few weeks - is all "situationally determined" (and between us only).  

On the internet, I can also (still) at this early point, decide if I simply have no taste for what I am experiencing with someone, and I am still on my PC - I am not in their living room (or mine), or in one of our bedrooms. That does make me feel safer than if I were at a bar or a bdsm house party somewhere, and just meeting someone for the first time - despite all of the "drawbacks" one can list about dealing with people  on the internet.

I do seem to get a "vibe" re: What someone is like after a few e-mails, and especially if they correspond a lot on the message boards here (or even a little). That is one thing I end up sometimes wishing some did more often. Somebody might write, and they've maybe been a member here for two years or something, and they've never written anything on the CM message boards - at all. Or one or two things at most. I realize I might write more than a lot of people, but  it does help me feel like I know someone a bit better if I can read some things  they've written.   

If I sense someone, for some reason, is just "too twisted" (for me) in some way (and that has happened once or twice, although I do consider myself pretty "liberal" in terms of what I am willing to attempt as far as bdsm activity, and have had only one long-term bdsm relationship, but have asked lots of questions since I've been here. And also been asked quite a few), then - I either just ignore a question, or pretend I didn't see it as a question, or just say: "I'd rather not talk about that just now, if it's okay". If they don't like that, well - nobody has (yet) reached through the screen and tried to kill me for it (hehe).

Of course, there was one time when my judgment was very "off". But I do learn from my mistakes (or try to do that).

- Susan

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