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RE: Pagan BDSM - 11/4/2006 3:10:34 AM

nephandi

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It should work, one should be able to do that prosedure on anything from jewlery to hankerchifs, and a collar is not that different in form from a neclace.

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RE: Pagan BDSM - 11/4/2006 9:32:43 AM

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ORIGINAL: MisPandora

OMH Ellen, I so wish you'd come to the states for our Sacred Sexuality Beltane weekend (http://www.freespiritgathering.org/beltane/)......you'd have a blast!

I'd love to MisP! Trouble with me all the while though is, I never know from one week to the next what I'm doing, where I'll be and why! Running a company in UK with offices 200 miles apart, plus offices in Czech and Poland can be a pain in the posterior at times (and not the good kind LOL!) Still, I could put it in my diary now I guess!?

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RE: Pagan BDSM - 11/4/2006 9:45:37 AM

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ORIGINAL: nephandi

Actualy in Norway we have mutch information concerning our old phantheon as mutch was written down in runes and later in books, if you wish you can PM me and i can see what information i can dig up for you.

What i find fasinating aboute Raven`s book is the section aboute spiritual Master slave relationships, this is far from a new idea, even in the bible there are sections that say that by serving ones Master one serve God, like a Spiritual Hieraki, if the Master serves the Gods and is slave to them, the sub serves the Gods by serving his or her Master, that is a beautiful idea.

Thanks Nephandi - I might just have to have a think and mail you. I must have read just about everything thats available in my quest - I'm doing it rather like I did with Odin, where I spent some years soaking it all up before really getting into practices, which then together led me to an uncovering of the whole Odin mythos and an exposition of the whole mythology and system, which showed how every deity and the whole cosmos in fact, all functions towards the end which Odin designed. What I now need to do is to look at Freyja's part in all this, from Her first (alleged) mention as Gullveig through teaching Odin seidhr to Her workings and role as I feel that Freyja must not be so much a contributor to Odin's purposes, but an equal partner in restoring the order which is the culmination of Odin's plan.

What I have learned so far is little compared to what I know about Odin, of that I'm convinced. One thing I have rejected though is any notion of Freyja being an aspect of a tripartite Goddess such as some pagan systems would suggest. To me, She is much too real to be an aspect of what I see as a male system of a tripartite Goddess anyway. (Sorry folks, but I dont buy into that stuff - it just seems to define the Female according to how useful a female is to a man; Maiden = sex partner, Mother = bearer/rearer of offspring, Crone = no longer of interest)!

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RE: Pagan BDSM - 11/4/2006 10:06:39 AM

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Sorry - forgot this bit!

I am sure I read somewhere about this record, though having gone looking for it so many times since, and never having found it, I wonder if anyone can shed some light on it and its source?

Its a Norse/Viking record, and it concerned a man who worshipped a Goddess. Her statue was in a clearing in the forest, and apparently this man would go to it and grovel on his knees kissing its feet, in order to implore the blessings of the Goddess. I also seem to remember that apparently the Goddess statue would come to life. I find this interesting from a spiritual bdsm perspective as an expression of the Male sacrifice of power to the Female which I also see in sexual intercourse. (a fascinating subject to look at from a runic point of view also, by the way!)

From what I see so far, Freyja is the one who brings people, especially romantic partners, together - she is the force which draws the Male to the Female; a force which all females possess and use to obtain the fulfilment of their desires (it sounds bad only from a Christian viewpoint IMO). The Male is drawn to the Female by his desire for her, and sacrifices his power to her in the fulfilment of his desire, which also happens to be her desire. He is under her power, first through lust and then through love; he becomes in bdsm-speak, her willing slave, having abandoned everything else in life, in the furtherance of her interests, pleasure and security, even laying down his life in her defence if that is required. Freyja is also the one who binds society in the same sort of ways, not just through the family units which She causes to be formed through marriages as above, but through the personal sacrifice of all for the common good. She is also the one who then causes one society to make war on another, in a "Helen of Troy" sort of way, by provoking the desire for spoils and power, which is how She is also Goddess of war as well as sex.

It is in understanding the force which Freyja rules, that I see my next step. I cant help but think that this might be a real challenge for me though, having been born male and having been so willing to submit to the Female power previously, and still even now to a lesser extent; can I access that power? I realise Odin accomplished this task, but I am not Him!

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RE: Pagan BDSM - 11/4/2006 1:40:42 PM

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In the Viking erea women stood mutch stronger in sosiety than they did when Christianity took over, and part of the reason for that is becouse of strong Goddesses like Frøya and Idun and Frigg and so many more, while for example Frigg did not rule equal whit Odin, she was not a forgotten little wife, far from it. Also Frøya stood mutch on her on as she was not originaly a part of the Gods of Åsgard, she her brother and father was peace hostages and therefore she had no male to realy hold her down. Frøya i think did not teatch Seid to Odin just to further his goals, she did it to further her own, and in all the mythology aboute her her furtherd her own agenda or that of allies and loved ones of her own free will. Frøya is in a way the arcetypical free woman. Femenine to the tips of her fingers, she had not taken on a male role like Diana in Greek mythology, and yet her femeninity is not a weakness, it is her strenght.

Norse women was not doormats to their men, and while they did not have equal rule, they were powerful, especialy nmarried women that could own property and be respected just like the men. Also there was roles that carried whit it enormous power for women, for example that of the sorceress or Volve. A Volve was considerd just aboute equal to a chiftain and all listen to her advice. Frøya is both a Goddess, and a Volve and therefore have the utermost femenine power in Viking sosiety. In a way she stand higer among Goddesses than Frigg. Frigg was married to Odin and therefor was the Chiftain`s wife, and yet in Viking sosiety the Volve stood higer on the sosial ladder than a Chiftain`s wife and besides, a Chiftain`s wife was under the rule of her husband, a Volve was completly free.

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