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ManInTheBox -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/29/2011 2:10:09 AM)
This isn't the first time something like this has happened with Cutler. He's not an iron man by any means. It's obvious he can throw the ball with zip off his back foot so you can make the case his plant foot isn't as important to him as some others...but it is a plant foot. Quarterbacks do use it more than others. It's not like Hanie was a complete disaster in there given the circumstances anyway. Aside from throwing a pick to a 360 pound lineman he did alright. Despite the fact the Packers almost lost the game to a third string quarterback I like them over the Steelers. While it is extremely hard to run on the Steelers the Jets didn't have a power back like the Packers do in Kuhn. Rodgers is a far superior quarterback than Sanchez and I'd expect to see Roethlisberger running from Clay Matthews quite a few times throughout the game.

RapierFugue -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/29/2011 4:28:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub tazzy that is football... every player takes that chance at every snap... that is why he gets the big bucks. You expect a talented 27 year-old to risk ending their career, just for your entertainment? The biggest problem with knee injuries is that it's often next-to-impossible to know just what the real damage is without a scan, plus the damage tends to be highly cumulative, due to fact that, once you get tears in there, with attendant scarring, that tends to further weaken and damage the joint's ability to function smoothly, to say nothing of the intra-articular bleeding. I get that he may not be as "tough" as some, but it's pretty clear, from the scan results and his coach's comments, that he didn't chicken out of that one. What does surprise me is the long queue of professional and semi-professional types (i.e. players, ex-players and commentators/writers) who were lining up to have a pop before any details were known; you'd think they, of all people, would know better.

kdsub -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/29/2011 5:33:13 AM)
tazzy I was saying all alone that things would be different if the coach took him out of the game... thanks for showing me that Butch

kdsub -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/29/2011 5:42:13 AM)
I hope you don't hurt your knee getting on and off your high horse...lol Like us all you don't know your butt from a hole in the ground when it comes to knee mechanics... So why bother to act like you do... But because you asked...yes... he should risk his career...but no more than any other player that steps on that field. It is what he is paid for…it is what I would do…. It is what the vast majority of NFL players do every day. Again… if the coaches pulled him from the game then I don’t see how people could question his resolve. Butch

RapierFugue -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/29/2011 5:55:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Like us all you don't know your butt from a hole in the ground when it comes to knee mechanics... Wrong, but thank you for playing. And it may be what "you would do", but as you've demonstrated quite a few times, you seem to know not very much, so I'm not sure whether what you would do is a good example to set.

DomKen -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/29/2011 7:07:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl And what would happen to the ligament thats been damaged if you continue to do the same thing that caused the damage to begin with? Intability of the knee when the foot is planted... a bad hit... the knee could be wiped out completely. Then what happens to his career? And what happens to his carrer walking around on the icy sidelines or walking around on slippery sidewalks after the game is over? He was seen climbing steps going into a restaurant after the game and before he got the MRI. No brace or crutches. What happens if he slipped on the ice and slush? (A not uncommon occurence here)

kdsub -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/29/2011 8:21:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RapierFugue quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Like us all you don't know your butt from a hole in the ground when it comes to knee mechanics... Wrong, but thank you for playing. And it may be what "you would do", but as you've demonstrated quite a few times, you seem to know not very much, so I'm not sure whether what you would do is a good example to set. Good to get the blood pressure up in the morning is it not...Ok just wondering are you an orthopedic surgeon?... Are you privy to his MRI's... Have you made a personal evaluation of his injury? If you answer no to any then you are as in the dark as I and sound far more ridiculous playing doctor. I’ll stick to opinion and call it that way. If you are just expressing your opinion ok but if you are trying to say you are basing your opinion on medical facts then you marginalize yourself. Butch

RapierFugue -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/29/2011 8:37:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Good to get the blood pressure up in the morning is it not It's generally not a very smart idea to project your own reactions onto others. But hey, it's your call. PS: It’s not morning here. quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub If you are just expressing your opinion ok It's my opinion, augmented by personal experience, and research as a result of personal choices I've had to make.

kdsub -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/29/2011 8:43:37 AM)
Ok a good place to call it even...but may I ask this... If you were in that situation what would your personal response be? Now far myself...If I were getting a 1/2 million for 2-1/2 hours work...and I had a my teammates depending on me along with the fans of my city I would take that chance…but that is me…How about you? Butch

RapierFugue -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/29/2011 9:01:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Ok a good place to call it even...but may I ask this... If you were in that situation what would your personal response be? Now far myself...If I were getting a 1/2 million for 2-1/2 hours work...and I had a my teammates depending on me along with the fans of my city I would take that chance…but that is me…How about you? With an arm or shoulder injury, fine. There's not too much more you can do, damage wise, than has already been done, assuming you're not talking spiral fracture or similar, but then you wouldn’t be playing with one of those. Knees are seriously different things. Ankles also, if it's severe enough. I wouldn't risk the end of my career at age 27 just to keep a bunch of baying idiots (meaning those fans criticising him after the game when they knew nothing, not the genuine Bears fans) happy. I've played (rugby) with injuries before, including a broken arm and a partially dislocated shoulder (though not at the same time) due to the team running out of allowed substitutions - I honestly think I did more harm than good to the team, because people rely on you to be able to do certain things and if you can't do all you would normally do they can't react to that fast enough, if you follow me. So they think "pass to RF!" or "he'll bind on there and push them back so I'll ..." and then before their brains can chime in with "but he's not fully mobile ATM" or "but he can't catch the ball as well as usual" the deed is done, and the opposition, not being complete idiots, will take the opportunity to hit the weak spot hard. The time I played with the broken, studded arm I also got knocked out, twice, purely because my usual ability to defend myself was reduced to near zero. The point is that he wasn't doing them any good - his throwing, possibly (indeed probably, IMHO) as a result of the injury and inability to set himself correctly (or at least as a factor), was well off. Hence them doing better with their 3rd string guy. But, as I said at the time, you can't give a team as good as the Packers a 2TD lead, early on, through fairly average (and I'm being charitable here) defence, and expect your offence to pick up the pieces. Their loss wasn't down to Cutler; their loss was down to them not playing well enough, across the board.

kdsub -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/29/2011 9:28:40 AM)
quote: I wouldn't risk the end of my career at age 27 just to keep a bunch of baying idiots (meaning those fans criticising him after the game when they knew nothing, not the genuine Bears fans) happy. Fair enough we've a measure of you. Butch

RapierFugue -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/29/2011 9:45:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: I wouldn't risk the end of my career at age 27 just to keep a bunch of baying idiots (meaning those fans criticising him after the game when they knew nothing, not the genuine Bears fans) happy. Fair enough we've a measure of you. heh. You so obviously don't, but no worries. I love the way you don't seem to take on board any of the salient points. In my experience, people like you talk a good game, and then end up crying off when it actually comes to it. They don't tend to last very long in heavy contact sports. Bravado is all very well, but until you've sustained serious injuries and continued to play you really are just blowing it out as hot air. For the record, I wouldn't do it again (play with non-minor injuries); it's not worth it, and it doesn't generally help the team. It's not so much the pain, coz you can block that out - I've played with broken fingers, for example, without too much of a problem, but anything that restricts ability to move, throw or otherwise make the plays your teammates are relying on you to make tends to impact the team's ability to move the ball, and most especially defend too, if they're expected to do that. I'm done with you on this topic now - you can go back to your blowhard moves without fear of contradiction :)

kdsub -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/29/2011 9:57:33 AM)
Damn you talk a lot...and say little of consequence... take it easy... I just said we've a measure of you... and you have of me… don’t cry. I can't believe you fell into a trap like that. Butch

RapierFugue -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/29/2011 10:04:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Damn you talk a lot...and say little of consequence... take it easy... I just said we've a measure of you... and you have of me… don’t cry. I can't believe you feel into a trap like that. snort Does that single, endlessly repeated debating “technique” of yours work for you in real life? Coz it sure as shit doesn't on the net.

kdsub -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/29/2011 10:07:37 AM)
That's for others to decide...but we've both wasted the threads time enough... On to the Super Bowl Butch

KatyLied -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/29/2011 10:39:37 AM)
"I haven't seen it before. It seems like if you're in that fraternity you would be stepping up for your fellow man. Especially when you don't know. You don't know what's going on," Smith said. "As far as Jay, Jay didn't take himself out of the game. If you're going to attack somebody, you should be attacking me, as a head football coach, and our medical staff. We're the ones. He wanted to go back in. He was injured and went back in in the second half. So I see it as the complete opposite of how it's being portrayed right now." http://voices.washingtonpost.com/early-lead/2011/01/lovie_smith_jay_cutler_is_a_to.html With that I will have to leave the Cutler discussion. For some reason it angers me.

RapierFugue -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/29/2011 10:42:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KatyLied For some reason it angers me. I'll take a guess as to why; it's lots of people who can't all getting on the back of someone who can. It's like watching Godzilla being taken down by legions of smurfs.

kdsub -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/29/2011 10:49:34 AM)
Hi KatyLied...tazzy pointed that out to me earlier and I thanked her for the information... I then said there should be no reason for people to question his resolve.

flcouple2009 -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/29/2011 1:55:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KatyLied With that I will have to leave the Cutler discussion. For some reason it angers me. It's ridiculous. What does it matter if he could walk? What was obvious was that something was wrong. He was getting no zip on the ball and his throws were off target. So what if he could have played? If he wasn't effective and couldn't perform how was it helping the Bears by shoving him out there?

servantforuse -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/29/2011 4:54:14 PM)
Who cares about Jay Cutler ? The Bears still suck..Packers will get their 13th title a week from tomorrow..GO PACK..

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