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tazzygirl -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/28/2011 11:21:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

They were by having him not play.


Exactly.

Not to mention there is a huge difference between a grown man with a knee injury related to a sport and a teenager with a knee injury related to a high school sport. Maybe he will figure it out.



DomKen -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/28/2011 2:59:59 PM)

I'm still not buying it.

If I was the team trainer and I thought the guy had a knee injury I'd want to immobilize the knee to prevent any further damage. The fact that he was seen climbing stairs at dinner after the game and has been seen out walking with his girlfriend since with no brace or crutches seems to cast doubt on either his common sense or on the diagnosis.



RapierFugue -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/28/2011 3:03:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

If I was the team trainer and I thought the guy had a knee injury I'd want to immobilize the knee to prevent any further damage. The fact that he was seen climbing stairs at dinner after the game and has been seen out walking with his girlfriend since with no brace or crutches seems to cast doubt on either his common sense or on the diagnosis.


Do you seriously, honestly, think a pro football player would struggle all season long to get results, get himself mashed into tiny pieces on a regular basis, battle fatigue and injury for 17 weeks, and then suddenly shit himself come playoff time?

Really?



DomKen -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/28/2011 4:24:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RapierFugue


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

If I was the team trainer and I thought the guy had a knee injury I'd want to immobilize the knee to prevent any further damage. The fact that he was seen climbing stairs at dinner after the game and has been seen out walking with his girlfriend since with no brace or crutches seems to cast doubt on either his common sense or on the diagnosis.


Do you seriously, honestly, think a pro football player would struggle all season long to get results, get himself mashed into tiny pieces on a regular basis, battle fatigue and injury for 17 weeks, and then suddenly shit himself come playoff time?

Really?


Honestly? I think he quit. He has appeared to give up several times before, the Giants game most recently before this.



RapierFugue -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/28/2011 4:26:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen
Honestly? I think he quit. He has appeared to give up several times before, the Giants game most recently before this.


Well ok, I defer to your expert opinion, and I'll grant you he didn't seem especially fired up before the injury, throw-wise, but it still surprises me.



KatyLied -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/28/2011 6:30:33 PM)

He also has diabetes.  I think that Cutler's demeanor does nothing to help his case.  I am not an authority on knee injury, so I am going to accept what his team is saying at face value.



RapierFugue -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/28/2011 6:34:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

He also has diabetes. 


Would that make any difference?

I mean Sir Steve Redgrave, 4 times Olympic rowing gold medallist, is diabetic too, and it didn't stop him.



KatyLied -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/28/2011 6:35:44 PM)

Yes, it could make a difference, especially in his demeanor.  



RapierFugue -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/28/2011 6:39:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

Yes, it could make a difference, especially in his demeanor.  


Not being funny but surely, in an era when almost everything a football player consumes is logged and approved by the coaching staff, they'd have that worked out?



KatyLied -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/28/2011 6:41:43 PM)

Diabetes, the type he has, is the kind where he is testing his blood sugar during the game.  Stress affects it, not just diet.



flcouple2009 -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/28/2011 6:54:26 PM)

Let me guess, your not a doctor, but you stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

Being able to walk and being able to plant the leg and make a throw are two different things.  He wasn't getting any zip on the ball and the ball was sailing around on him. 

So now if your the Bears do you keep putting him out there knowing he is ineffective or do you try and move on and make the best of it?



KatyLied -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/28/2011 7:12:22 PM)

You make a great point that many seem to be forgetting.  It is all about planting the foot, why is this so difficult to understand?  And why are people so disbelieving of what is being said?  The guy put up with a ton of abuse during the season, and to call him out as quitting and weak seems bizarro to me.



Lordandmaster -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/28/2011 7:34:40 PM)

Yes, good point.  It's not all just the same thing.  I have a pulled groin right now (fucking ouch), and I can't even walk without pain, but today I shoveled snow for a good two hours.

Besides, the fucking Bears took him out of the game.  How is that his fault?  Some of the players who were crapping all over him are defending themselves now by saying, Oh, OK, he couldn't play, but at least he could have been a better cheerleader on the sidelines.  WTF?  Didn't you guys see him cheering during the comeback?  As I said before, I think he sucks as a quarterback, but the heat he's taking for all this is absurd.

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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

Being able to walk and being able to plant the leg and make a throw are two different things.  He wasn't getting any zip on the ball and the ball was sailing around on him.



kdsub -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/28/2011 8:22:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

Let me guess, your not a doctor, but you stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

Being able to walk and being able to plant the leg and make a throw are two different things.  He wasn't getting any zip on the ball and the ball was sailing around on him. 

So now if your the Bears do you keep putting him out there knowing he is ineffective or do you try and move on and make the best of it?




I would let the coaches know my problems but would play unless pulled...pain and all. If I could stand I would play. If the coaches pulled me then I would have done all I could do. Now that may have happened for all I know.

We have all dealt with pain in our lives... I once laid 7000 tons of asphaltic concrete with a partially dislocated hip for a hell of a lot less money. I went 5 days without sleep because of the pain.

I did it because people were depending on me and I had pride in my job and dedication to it.

It didn’t kill me or ruin my career…in fact I was admired and promoted….after the hip replacement…lol

Butch



tazzygirl -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/28/2011 9:49:02 PM)

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If I was the team trainer and I thought the guy had a knee injury I'd want to immobilize the knee to prevent any further damage. The fact that he was seen climbing stairs at dinner after the game and has been seen out walking with his girlfriend since with no brace or crutches seems to cast doubt on either his common sense or on the diagnosis.


And I walked to and from work, a mile each way. I didnt even go to the hospital until 4 days after the incident that torn my ACL. It didnt bother me till then when I started hearing the creaking and the pops and the instability... that does not occur with every step.



tazzygirl -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/28/2011 9:51:59 PM)

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I would let the coaches know my problems but would play unless pulled...pain and all. If I could stand I would play. If the coaches pulled me then I would have done all I could do. Now that may have happened for all I know.

We have all dealt with pain in our lives... I once laid 7000 tons of asphaltic concrete with a partially dislocated hip for a hell of a lot less money. I went 5 days without sleep because of the pain.

I did it because people were depending on me and I had pride in my job and dedication to it.

It didn’t kill me or ruin my career…in fact I was admired and promoted….after the hip replacement…lol

Butch


And a knee replacement would have ended his career. Therein lies the difference.



kdsub -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/28/2011 10:14:21 PM)

tazzy...I'm no doctor agreed...but there is a difference between ligament damage and the need for a total knee replacement don't you think?

Still that is not my point... I am speaking for myself and I'll bet the vast majority of NFL players... I and they would play until they were pulled by the coaching staff or carted off on a stretcher in this type of game. I would have never put the possibility of future surgery ahead of my team, fans...and personal pride in that situation.


BUT...maybe the coaches did pull him...maybe it was not his choice... I don't know and don't claim to know. However if this were the case why don't they say so and clear his name?

Butch



tazzygirl -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/28/2011 10:15:55 PM)

And what would happen to the ligament thats been damaged if you continue to do the same thing that caused the damage to begin with?

Intability of the knee when the foot is planted... a bad hit... the knee could be wiped out completely.

Then what happens to his career?



kdsub -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/28/2011 10:20:51 PM)

tazzy that is football... every player takes that chance at every snap... that is why he gets the big bucks. I am sure if the coaches knew of his problems they would have pulled him...My only beef is if he pulled himself out of the game.. I can tell you they would have to pull me or carry me off before I would give up like he did. If that is the case of course it could be otherwise.

Butch



tazzygirl -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/28/2011 11:09:25 PM)

Per the Coach...

"Jay didn't take himself out of the game. If you're going to attack somebody, you should be attacking me as the head football coach, and our medical staff. We're the ones. He wanted to go back in. He was injured and went back in in the second half. I see it the complete opposite of how it's been portrayed right now."

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2011/01/bears-cutler-suffers-sprain-of-mcl-in-left-knee.html

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