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Green Gore? - 8/12/2006 7:44:49 AM   
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By Peter SchweizerThu Aug 10, 6:46 AM ET

Al Gore has spoken: The world must embrace a "carbon-neutral lifestyle." To do otherwise, he says, will result in a cataclysmic catastrophe. "Humanity is sitting on a ticking time bomb," warns the website for his film, An Inconvenient Truth. "We have just 10 years to avert a major catastrophe that could send our entire planet into a tailspin."

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RE: Green Gore? - 8/12/2006 8:31:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		I tried to open the link and it didn't work. I think he is right about teeteting on the edge with global warming though

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RE: Green Gore? - 8/12/2006 9:35:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hmmmmmmmmm. Let me try a link again:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20060810/cm_usatoday/goreisntquiteasgreenashesledtheworldtobelieve;_ylt=AoFgh98CaoW.LMJECezh9.ADW7oF;_ylu=X3oDMTBhZDhxNDFzBHNlYwNtZW5ld3M-

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RE: Green Gore? - 8/12/2006 9:36:38 AM   
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RE: Green Gore? - 8/12/2006 12:02:24 PM   
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Public records reveal that as Gore lectures Americans on excessive consumption, he and his wife Tipper live in two properties: a 10,000-square-foot, 20-room, eight-bathroom home in Nashville, and a 4,000-square-foot home in Arlington, Va. (He also has a third home in Carthage, Tenn.) For someone rallying the planet to pursue a path of extreme personal sacrifice, Gore requires little from himself.

Then there is the troubling matter of his energy use. In the Washington, D.C., area, utility companies offer wind energy as an alternative to traditional energy. In Nashville, similar programs exist. Utility customers must simply pay a few extra pennies per kilowatt hour, and they can continue living their carbon-neutral lifestyles knowing that they are supporting wind energy. Plenty of businesses and institutions have signed up. Even the Bush administration is using green energy for some federal office buildings, as are thousands of area residents.

But according to public records, there is no evidence that Gore has signed up to use green energy in either of his large residences. When contacted Wednesday, Gore's office confirmed as much but said the Gores were looking into making the switch at both homes. Talk about inconvenient truths.


This is hardly new, and it shouldn't be surprising to anyone with a cynical bone in their body.

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RE: Green Gore? - 8/12/2006 12:03:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just because Gore has the resources to switch to a "greener" way of living and will not do so doesn't mean that there is no global warming crisis. I see this as a red herring to be completely honest. He brings attention to the problem and he isn't doing all he can, it doesn't mean the problem does not exist. The science is supportive of his position. If he wakes up people I think this is a good thing.

I would vote for Gore rather than vote for anyone else the democrats are proposing.,. but that is just my opinion based upon his chances of winning and his outlook on the Iraq War. I remember the speech he he gave on the eve of the war, and everything he warned about has come to pass... please give me a leader with vision at least as good as his, and not some ass kissing stooge that throws good after bad.

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RE: Green Gore? - 8/12/2006 12:12:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		That article didn't focus on saying that there is no global warming, and you bringing that up to obscure the issue of Gore's hypocrisy is the real red herring.

Politicians are hypocrites, particularly when they are saying what you want to hear.

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RE: Green Gore? - 8/12/2006 12:42:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		How do you know when a politician is lying?


You know the answer


I know of only one or two politicians that pass the hypocrite test. If I wasn't going to vote for politicians based on hypocrisy I would have no one to vote for and just stay home on every election day

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RE: Green Gore? - 8/12/2006 12:51:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Or dig a little deeper and vote for a candidate that has no chance of winning. 

'So you found a candidate who thinks really deep thoughts...what's so amazing about really deep thoughts...?'


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RE: Green Gore? - 8/12/2006 1:22:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		I vote for people that do not stand a chance of winning, such as Dennis Kucinich for example.. one of the two on the list that I mentioned earlier

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RE: Green Gore? - 8/12/2006 1:41:02 PM   
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I vote for people that do not stand a chance of winning, such as Dennis Kucinich for example.. one of the two on the list that I mentioned earlier


Who's the second one?

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RE: Green Gore? - 8/12/2006 1:49:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		And he rides around with a caravan of limosines and suv's for his secret service guys or security right?
He should tell his buddy John "French" Kerry to get rid of HIS 7 S.U.V.'s.
"I don't own 7 S.U.V.'s,  MY FAMILY owns 7 S.U.V.'s."

It's ALWAYS *"do as I say, not as I do"* with these guys!

Of course they "need" them because they're more "important" than "you" are!

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RE: Green Gore? - 8/12/2006 2:01:40 PM   
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I vote for people that do not stand a chance of winning, such as Dennis Kucinich for example.. one of the two on the list that I mentioned earlier


Who's the second one?


Ralph Nader.

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RE: Green Gore? - 8/12/2006 2:06:55 PM   
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I vote for people that do not stand a chance of winning, such as Dennis Kucinich for example.. one of the two on the list that I mentioned earlier



Who's the second one?


Ralph Nader.


I voted for Nader once, also, I still have the bumper sticker .

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RE: Green Gore? - 8/12/2006 2:08:11 PM   
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And he rides around with a caravan of limosines and suv's for his secret service guys or security right?
He should tell his buddy John "French" Kerry to get rid of HIS 7 S.U.V.'s.
"I don't own 7 S.U.V.'s,  MY FAMILY owns 7 S.U.V.'s."

It's ALWAYS *"do as I say, not as I do"* with these guys!

Of course they "need" them because they're more "important" than "you" are!


LOL at "John 'French' Kerry".....  I generally like ol Frenchie, but did not vote for him.

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RE: Green Gore? - 8/12/2006 2:31:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		One comment on AlGore; he would better serve his message if he walked the walk a bit more, but as julia said, his being hypocritical does not mean warming isn't happening. But how many will dismiss his claims?

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RE: Green Gore? - 8/12/2006 3:06:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		So far in this thread or that article, no one...but Gore seems to think that global warming isn't a real enough problem to adopt his own advice.

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RE: Green Gore? - 8/13/2006 8:19:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		The article is a typical smear job... nothing new there.

Al Gore continues to devote an abundance of time, effort and money to environmental causes to help our failing to thrive environment, as well as raise awareness that global warming, is indeed a problem.  Among other things, he does own a hybrid vehicle, he recycles, but most importantly, he recognizes that we all need to do more to protect our environment.  He has never suggested reverting back to the Pioneer days, but to conserve where you can, and then continue to conserve more.  This is what he is doing.... that's hypocrisy?

Instead of someone who recognizes a problem, and supports a solution, we have a President who downplays the environment and the scientific evidence of the damage we (collectively) have caused to the world we live in.... for his own self-serving war, and big oil agenda.  I suppose its good business for him.... alternate fuel resources, or stricter ways to keep something like... oh say... oil, from leaking all over our water, land and animals,  wouldn't be good for his own pocket, or those of the big business he stands for.

Why should we beat up on Al Gore for trying to make a difference, because he may not have his home set up for wind energy.... yet, and let's support a man who continues to support cutting the funding for renewable energy, energy efficiency, environmental research, endangered wildlife, wildlife habitats, forests, agriculture research and education for safer, healthier food for all of us, etc.

We need oxygen, and to breath healthy air, and to have safe food and water before we need anything else.  Al Gore supports making all of these necessities readily available, and Bush supports cutting funding and support for all of them.

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RE: Green Gore? - 8/13/2006 8:29:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		My question is simply this...

Have you done more to help than he? 

If the only way you can forward a good and important cause is to be the exemplification of perfection in that area, we are all doomed.  No one is perfect.  To question the legitimacy of a person having a conviction by hunting out and nit picking the one area where they have a failure and ignoring the vast mass of the good he has done and is doing is nothing short of idiocy.

Do not look for perfection, even in role models.  Just look for a willingness to find  and salvage something good.  Not many of us work to find and salvage good anymore.

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RE: Green Gore? - 8/13/2006 10:05:39 AM   
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As always you make an excellent point.  It is our search for perfection that gives us such shitty politicians.    Since nobody is perfect we are begging them to lie to us and they do.  The fault is not with them, it is with us.

People are stupid enough to vote for people like Nader and Bush and ignore vastly more qualified candidates who could actually move this country forward.  Imagine where we would be today if Dole or McCain had won in 2000?  We wouldn't be torturing people and in all likelyhood would have stopped 9/11 or at least stopped invading countries after we had rebuild Afghanistan into a beacon of hope for muslims.

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