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Lets cut this from the military budget - 3/9/2015 10:48:23 PM

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Seems kinda contradictory to the military's mission to me. Must be more crap thought up by some congressman

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RE: Lets cut this from the military budget - 3/9/2015 10:57:55 PM

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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CHIMP_ATTACK_MILITARY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Seems kinda contradictory to the military's mission to me. Must be more crap thought up by some congressman

...in the hope that some of the things it learns can help young, seriously disfigured soldiers returning from war

That's your idea of crap?

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RE: Lets cut this from the military budget - 3/9/2015 11:31:47 PM

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Have you heard of the guinea pig club??
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea_Pig_Club

You want to cut a program that helps or is looking to help badly disfigured soldiers, REALLY???
Bless your heart.

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RE: Lets cut this from the military budget - 3/9/2015 11:43:47 PM

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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CHIMP_ATTACK_MILITARY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Seems kinda contradictory to the military's mission to me. Must be more crap thought up by some congressman

I'd have to disagree with you on this one. Many technology discovered through the military have translated very well into civilian life. You could do a search of military technology turned to civilian use. For example, the Internet's creation.

I'm all in favor of medical treatments that help restore not just our soldiers, but civilians, to better health after something horrible happens to them. Discoveries unfortunately cost money. Once we understand it, we can refine it. Which drops costs considerably. Computers, another invention from the military once cost many tens of thousands of dollars and took up a large room. That same processing power now fits on a chip the side of a small ant. The cost is measured in pennies.

Some technologies have served as a breakthrough into other areas, not just limited to the scientific field used. Perhaps this technology helps us repair physical damage by using a person's actual DNA and surgical procedure to deeply reduce negative reaction to things.

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RE: Lets cut this from the military budget - 3/10/2015 3:37:06 AM

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Seems kinda contradictory to the military's mission to me. Must be more crap thought up by some congressman

Sorry, Ken, but I'm going to have to agree with the previous posters here. The horrors of war being what they are, learning how to help overcome those horrors for our returning military is a good use of money. The US sent them into war. They got injured, sometimes incredibly badly. The US needs to work on correcting that, or, at least, helping those get back to, or close to, a "normal" life.

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RE: Lets cut this from the military budget - 3/10/2015 4:23:52 AM

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But the general concensus is that the purpose of the military is to blow up shit and kill people. Not to figure out health issues. That is the Surgeon Generals department. How can we cut the budget without eliminating items that aren't directly related to the military purpose.

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RE: Lets cut this from the military budget - 3/10/2015 4:38:40 AM

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But the general concensus is that the purpose of the military is to blow up shit and kill people.

You can take a similar position on guns, but it's not like many people will sympathize with it, as seen on this forum.

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RE: Lets cut this from the military budget - 3/10/2015 4:48:58 AM

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But when you cut the military budget then you are saying that people don't want to cut guns, bombs, benefits for the troops, pay, protective equipment, research and development, and other items related to the mission, but when it comes to a lady that is on Medicare (or at least eligible) the Military should pick up the bill instead of putting it in the appropriate department like VA or whatever. Least that is my take on your comment

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RE: Lets cut this from the military budget - 3/10/2015 6:14:40 AM

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But the general concensus is that the purpose of the military is to blow up shit and kill people. Not to figure out health issues. That is the Surgeon Generals department. How can we cut the budget without eliminating items that aren't directly related to the military purpose.

Thats why you have a VA Isnt it, its a huge part of military help for those who arent fortunate enough to die for their country?
You wanna kill/maim your own people by denying them innovative treatment that might revolutionize more than just disfigured faces?

Now Im a peacenik (I guess that is the term you would be aware of) I hate this war bullshit,(ESPECIALLY when its declared under false pretenses)but what I hate more is that the girls and guys that do actually fight for their country being mistreated after they have done the warlords bidding.

Injured soldiers ARE Directly related to Military purpose....
This woman would not be able to afford the cost of the experimental treatments they are doing on her, you might think she isnt worthy to receive it, but ....that hardly matters, she is volunteering her time, her pain, her disfigurement, her rejections, horror and body to finding a better way to help those IN the military..Oh and the rest of the public who get horribly injured in other "accidental" horror stories.
Or is this just an inconvenient truth that you dont like because she is not IN the military....

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RE: Lets cut this from the military budget - 3/10/2015 6:37:52 AM

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Seems kinda contradictory to the military's mission to me. Must be more crap thought up by some congressman

Sorry, Ken, but I'm going to have to agree with the previous posters here. The horrors of war being what they are, learning how to help overcome those horrors for our returning military is a good use of money. The US sent them into war. They got injured, sometimes incredibly badly. The US needs to work on correcting that, or, at least, helping those get back to, or close to, a "normal" life.

Yea, I am going to have to go with the others also.

maybe we should mark this thread for the next time someone claims we can't agree on anything on these forums.

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RE: Lets cut this from the military budget - 3/10/2015 6:45:55 AM

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:) heh a sticky maybe to prove it can be done?

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RE: Lets cut this from the military budget - 3/10/2015 7:37:14 AM

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I am not saying that the research isn't good. Hell, I think it is wonderful. However, why the Military? Wouldn't someone in CDC, Medicare, Surgen General, NIH, VA or some other with expertise in medical research be more qualified? Additionally, everyone wants the military budget cut (as seen on other posts) so this would do that. I say, the Military should cut this lady loose. Close the line item, and save the money for bullets, etc.

Additionally, we should cut other things, like Traumatic Brain Injury within the NFL. The military isn't a medical corp, it has other purposes.

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RE: Lets cut this from the military budget - 3/10/2015 7:56:13 AM

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you really are clueless.

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RE: Lets cut this from the military budget - 3/10/2015 7:56:22 AM

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Additionally, wouldn't the military save a ton of money if we eliminated the responsibility for flood control, etc from the Army Corps of Engineers and give that requirement to the Department of the Interior or the BLM or someone like that?

And why is it the responsibility of the Military to providing foreign aide during times of crisis in our and various other countries. We deliver MRE's, use military resources, etc. Why don't we transfer that line item to FEMA who is responsible for this type of activity?

Wouldn't these save money in the Military Budget?

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RE: Lets cut this from the military budget - 3/10/2015 8:03:04 AM

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What I am saying is that shouldn't these responsibilities be transfered out of DOD and to other departments, this saving money on the military budget. This would make those who think the military budget should be cut very happy. The causes are worthwhile. But those that don't recognize it are clueless in my opinion.

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RE: Lets cut this from the military budget - 3/10/2015 9:31:26 AM

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What I am saying is that shouldn't these responsibilities be transfered out of DOD and to other departments, this saving money on the military budget. This would make those who think the military budget should be cut very happy. The causes are worthwhile. But those that don't recognize it are clueless in my opinion.

I'm one whom is reluctant to reduce any of the budget items found in most fo the bills to handle the subject matter on a grand scale. Because every reduction of $100 Billion, is removing 700,000-950,000 US Jobs. The majority of those jobs is private sector, with the next largest being 'down stream jobs', finally public sector. Taking the sort of funding your speaking off (using the OP as an example here), would be effectively cutting medical jobs from many communities, if not the nation (i.e. the CDC has to lay some people off).

Yes, this world could use more doctors, nurses, and researchers than bombs, bullets, and guns. But the Defense Budget does not pay just for military personnel and equipment; it pays for the middle class to exist. Its like Social Security and Medicare, these two 'large bodies of money' employ millions of people in the private sector to handle all sorts of problems faced by Americans.

And that we should be on the look out for stupid shit that the nation is paying on. In this particular instance; is technology I would like to see develop well beyond what its currently at. The benefits, when used for humanity's development far outweigh the costs we pay right now. I would not desire my Representative nor Senators to allow this piece to disappear from the budget.

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RE: Lets cut this from the military budget - 3/10/2015 9:40:41 AM

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Well, thats not entirely true, we will just sell more of that junk overseas. Of course the 'efficient' market will be blindsided by this for some time, and there will be layoffs, but the 'market' want their 120 million dollar bonuses and fur lined sinks, so they will snap out of it.

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RE: Lets cut this from the military budget - 3/10/2015 10:12:37 AM

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I am not saying eliminate the projects. If the projects are worthwhile, move them to a different department of government. Lessen the burden of the military. It would cut costs to the military including the executive levels and transfer them to civilian jobs as civil servants (GS whatever is appropriate)

This would in fact reduce the Department of Defenses budget making a lot of people who say the Military Budget is to high very happy.

They have already cut per diem for travel for temporary duty in some instances by 40-60% depending on it's length. This will cause the individual soldier that was sent (usually not that individuals choice) to pay more out of pocket (out of the individual's paycheck)

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RE: Lets cut this from the military budget - 3/10/2015 10:18:18 AM

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Nope, not all of that, for instance, the VA is military, when you cost out war you cost out the taking care of the fodder.

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RE: Lets cut this from the military budget - 3/10/2015 10:39:25 AM

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The VA budget is seperate from the DOD budget.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_executive_departments

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