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juliaoceania -> Meeting as Equals (7/7/2006 10:06:49 AM)

Disclaimer before reading this thread, it is not the intent of this opening post to debate whether a dominant and their sub are equals within the context of their relationship... it is a more broad question for the board.

I have often wondered whether or not dominants that post here view all submissives as unequal to them, not just the ones they own, but everyone that self identifies as a submissive. I have also wondered whether or not submissives view everyone that identifies as a dominant as someone who is their superior in some way, someone that deserves deferential treatment because they identify as a dominant. Do you consider whether or not someone is a sub or a dom when reading advice they post for example?

Basically I am curious as to whether or not you view inequalities in your interactions with others on CM? Personally I haven't seen much of that, but I have seen it crop up occasionally and I wonder how others feel about this or if it is in my mind and doesn't exist at all.




mistoferin -> RE: Meeting as Equals (7/7/2006 10:12:19 AM)

I view everyone on the boards as being my equal as I am not in a relationship with anyone here. I don't believe that dominance equals superiority outside of the confines of an individual relationship where that is the agreed upon dynamic.




Submotive -> RE: Meeting as Equals (7/7/2006 10:13:03 AM)

Personally i view Dominants and submissives as equal. Their relationship with and to each other is not equal, but the individuals themselves are. i tend to use capitals for Dominants as a courtesy because Master enjoys that. However, if a Dominant proves Him/Herself to be someone i don't or can't respect, then i don't use capital in relation to them.
 
Believeing or thinking A/another is equal is different, for me, than addressing T/them according to the position T/they've chosen. For example, i believe a boss and his/her employee are equal as people, yet their positions are not equal.




Caretakr -> RE: Meeting as Equals (7/7/2006 10:14:43 AM)

I see any girl as an equal up until the collar goes on her neck.

It helps to reduce the aspects of frenzy, and unwanted emotional attachments, from ones I may well find to be unsuitable. And the vast majority will wash out in the first weeks of contact.




truesub4u -> RE: Meeting as Equals (7/7/2006 10:16:07 AM)

I personally do not treat all doms ....as doms.. just because of titles. I see them as people. Male and female. Nothing more...nothing less. I do not expect to be treated as a submissive by anyone. And I actually get offended when someone tries to make me submit to them with out even knowing my name or anything about me.. or me them..... those are the ones I step back from and have to  laugh at sometimes.  Now there are a few I do refer to as Ma'am.. or Mr. But it's the person I've come to have respect for. Not the title. And it comes from not just reading their post. But other communications as well. Either it be e-mail... phone calls.. IMs or off line meetings. But they have earned my respect as people....




darkinshadows -> RE: Meeting as Equals (7/7/2006 10:16:28 AM)

All are equal.
 
Peace and Rapture




MrDiscipline44 -> RE: Meeting as Equals (7/7/2006 10:23:25 AM)

Personaly, to view someone your not in a relationship with as equal or unequal, to me, is to place a value to that person. I view people with indifference. Male, female, Dom/me, sub/slave, it doesn't matter. In my eyes they have no value until I'm in a personal relationship, then I judge their value as to whether they're equal or not. This, for me, is especially true for people here on CM. People here are faceless. Some not even really who they say they are. I can't place a value on something I can use four out of five senses on.




meatcleaver -> RE: Meeting as Equals (7/7/2006 10:24:39 AM)

Personally I prefer ballsy women who know their place when scening [:D] but then I'm not into D/s. I really can't stand deference and if someone showed me deference I would probably think they were taking the piss.




RavenMuse -> RE: Meeting as Equals (7/7/2006 10:24:47 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
Basically I am curious as to whether or not you view inequalities in your interactions with others on CM?


Of course it isn't equal... I'm real and sat in front of the keyboard, everyone else is just a collection of pixels on the screen [;)]

Seriously though, the only thing I expect is reasonable politeness wether the person is Dom/mme, sub or switch. If I don't get it then I can either respond in kind, ignore or block.

I will admit to maybe expecting a little more from those identifying as fellow Dominants and a certain, at least superficial attitude from Gorian collared, but there is only one here currently who has submitted to me and only her whom I can direct her actions.




wild1cfl -> RE: Meeting as Equals (7/7/2006 10:30:13 AM)

Juliaoceania,

I always try and treat everyone as an equal whether they are Dominant or Submissive, male or female. I do not feel I am any better than anyone else or that they are any better than I am. Their kinks are just that their kinks, who am I to think less of them because their kinks are different from mine.
Where I draw the line is respect, while I do try very hard to treat everyone equally, I do not always treat everyone with respect mostly due to the fact that they have shown that they do not respect me or someone else that I have respect for. In this situation I am a fierce opponent to disrespect.
This is an excellent question and I think a very well thought out one. Lots of good answers as well.




APerfectParadox -> RE: Meeting as Equals (7/7/2006 10:34:59 AM)

I  believe that the thoughts , belief's, wants, needs of   the people inside each of the roles are of equal value ...both the ones i am personally invovled with and the ones I am not , the only difference being when I am  involved with a Dom he is in the position of authority .




Estring -> RE: Meeting as Equals (7/7/2006 10:35:20 AM)

Every once in awhile, some dominant gets bent out of shape when a sub posts in the "Ask A Master" or "Ask A Mistress" sections. Their view of the sub as not worthy of posting comes through loud and clear. I haven't seen this lately.




LadyHugs -> RE: Meeting as Equals (7/7/2006 10:37:18 AM)

Dear juliaoceania, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
You wrote;
quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Disclaimer before reading this thread, it is not the intent of this opening post to debate whether a dominant and their sub are equals within the context of their relationship... it is a more broad question for the board.

I have often wondered whether or not dominants that post here view all submissives as unequal to them, not just the ones they own, but everyone that self identifies as a submissive. I have also wondered whether or not submissives view everyone that identifies as a dominant as someone who is their superior in some way, someone that deserves deferential treatment because they identify as a dominant. Do you consider whether or not someone is a sub or a dom when reading advice they post for example?

I can only speak for myself
Basically I am curious as to whether or not you view inequalities in your interactions with others on CM? Personally I haven't seen much of that, but I have seen it crop up occasionally and I wonder how others feel about this or if it is in my mind and doesn't exist at all.




sleazybutterfly -> RE: Meeting as Equals (7/7/2006 10:39:28 AM)

I pretty much agree.. I don't look at whether they are Dom or sub.. I just write back what my thoughts are in a respectful (if they are being also) type of way.  I usually do look and see who wrote it..but that is just to keep myself up to date on who is on the boards.
 
                               Respectfully, Andrea
 
 




slavejali -> RE: Meeting as Equals (7/7/2006 10:42:48 AM)

I dont see dominant and submissives as equal, just as I dont see a dog and a cat as being equal. They aren't less by their inequality though, just different. I do view dominant and submissives posts differently, because basically they are coming from a different perspective on some subjects.




MasterFireMaam -> RE: Meeting as Equals (7/7/2006 10:57:36 AM)

People are people, no matter their kink/sexual/spiritual orientation. Two people entering into a relationship, no matter what kind, should come together as equal, consenting adults. THEN, the relationship dynamics can take hold.

Master Fire




wild1cfl -> RE: Meeting as Equals (7/7/2006 10:59:37 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: slavejali

I dont see dominant and submissives as equal, just as I dont see a dog and a cat as being equal. They aren't less by their inequality though, just different. I do view dominant and submissives posts differently, because basically they are coming from a different perspective on some subjects.


Very good point and I can understand your point of view. I am thinking more from teh perspective as a person rather than their particular persuasion as a Dominant or submissive, so this is definitely a different way of approaching it. You express it in a way that makes me think about it differently. Excellent post !!




MHOO314 -> RE: Meeting as Equals (7/7/2006 11:08:28 AM)

I do not think of submissives as less than equals, as submotive said, the relationship is  merely balanced differently. I don't always go and look to see if the poster is D or s unless they are a brand new poster and their reponses are way out there.




LadyHugs -> RE: Meeting as Equals (7/7/2006 11:10:10 AM)

Dear juliaoceania, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
First, my apologies for the incomplete response and send.  Hopefully, this one will complete and send properly.
 
Juliaoceania wrote;

Disclaimer before reading this thread, it is not the intent of this opening post to debate whether a dominant and their sub are equals within the context of their relationship... it is a more broad question for the board.

I have often wondered whether or not dominants that post here view all submissives as unequal to them, not just the ones they own, but everyone that self identifies as a submissive. I have also wondered whether or not submissives view everyone that identifies as a dominant as someone who is their superior in some way, someone that deserves deferential treatment because they identify as a dominant. Do you consider whether or not someone is a sub or a dom when reading advice they post for example?

I can only speak for myself however, I treat everybody the same regardless of title or status.  You are an individual first, role secondly.  Respect goes both ways in my mind's eye.  And, words of wisdom comes from every level of education, class and or experiences and or profession.  What is said and the 'tone' of the message is what I value, as to establish the 'intent' of the posted advice as to create the affect/effects on my sense of logic.
 
As a dominant, I listen very carefully to what my slaves and or submissives tell me.  And, they do the same.  Otherwise, we both cheat ourselves out of good communications and a healthy respect we have for each other.  I also have the same feeling to those in the community.  I really do care about people-Dominant and submissive; close or far.  I feel honored when slaves, submissives and or my peers return the courtesy and respect as much as I feel good in giving respect.


Basically I am curious as to whether or not you view inequalities in your interactions with others on CM? Personally I haven't seen much of that, but I have seen it crop up occasionally and I wonder how others feel about this or if it is in my mind and doesn't exist at all.

I do occassionally see inequalities in some interactions with others on CM.   I think any new person coming into a forum is judged immediately and established dominants and or submissives,take it upon themselves to be the ones to sit in judgment and many just follow.  In my mind's eye, I believe the first post anybody makes will set the tone and treatment by others in the future.  Being a polite person, I always hope to start any posts accordingly.  Unfortunately, some souls come on and off the mark per se, step on the wrong foot due to how they express themselves rather than the contents of the post.  Words are very powerful and people judge you by the words you use.  Especially when the written word is the only means of expression. History shows this as well as modern forums such as this. The next tier in judgment is the person's consistancy.


Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs




slavejali -> RE: Meeting as Equals (7/7/2006 11:15:34 AM)

I guess I just see D/s differently. People say their orientation is part of them, and those orientations of domination and submission are obviously different from each other, so why would I have to make everything and everyone the same to interact with someone.

quote:

People are people, no matter their kink/sexual/spiritual orientation. Two people entering into a relationship, no matter what kind, should come together as equal, consenting adults. THEN, the relationship dynamics can take hold


Sorry to use your post for this example MasterFireMaam....
See what that statement says to me is, "equal, consenting adults THEN" means something other than someone who is dominant or submissive...as if being an adult means..I have to act some other way than submissive or dominant? I don't get the need for the differentiation. It's either an orientation or a play act? Which is it? I think its perfectly ok to be submissive within interactions, doesnt make me less adult, less intelligent, less anything....




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