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naughtynick81 -> Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/14/2013 12:25:43 AM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so-SG2TjaEk A great example on how contemporary feminist theory is generally based on assumption, NOT FACT. We are supposed to believe feminist theory by faith, not by actual hard factual evidence. This is what you define as dogma.

RottenJohnny -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/14/2013 1:16:00 AM)
Well done. Despite the intended focus on the feminist agenda, the thing that caught my attention was the speaker pointing out the existence of false authority given to academia. I've never been able to put it into words as well but I've had the same belief for years. On more than one occasion I've told people that I didn't agree with something being taught in a classroom only to have them look at me completely puzzled because they never questioned what they were told by a professor.

naughtynick81 -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/14/2013 1:56:45 AM)
Hugo Schwyzer not long ago claimed that feminist studies is a fraud. You may not know him but many feminists do.

RottenJohnny -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/14/2013 2:13:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 Hugo Schwyzer not long ago claimed that feminist studies is a fraud. You may not know him but many feminists do. I wouldn't go as far as calling them a fraud, but do I think it's full of ego and overcompensation? Hell yes.

tazzygirl -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/14/2013 2:32:23 AM)
quote: I wouldn't go as far as calling them a fraud, but do I think it's full of ego and overcompensation? Hell yes. This current wave? I agree.

Edwynn -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/14/2013 4:19:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny Well done. Despite the intended focus on the feminist agenda, the thing that caught my attention was the speaker pointing out the existence of false authority given to academia. I've never been able to put it into words as well but I've had the same belief for years. On more than one occasion I've told people that I didn't agree with something being taught in a classroom only to have them look at me completely puzzled because they never questioned what they were told by a professor. Oh gosh, you mean you could actually listen to this tripe and not have a side-spilling fall-out-of-chair-laughing experience? My word. I left school at earliest tenth grade because of repulsion to academia, but my reasons for that were apparently in regards to something entirely different than your objections. Did you actually listen to this unremitting creep and not cringe after even two seconds? Holy smokes, I can't even believe crap such as this even get's out. Or to put it another way; I would have dropped out in fifth grade had this crap been foisted upon me at the time. This is as nihilistic as it gets (however unintentional). The only other time I heard the invocation to be "open minded" was when in someone else's attempt to perv or molest me, and if you don't understand that that's exactly what is going on here, on a putatively 'intellectual' level, then you've got exactly what's coming to you, is all I can say. But here's the news: Unless someone can point out where the business colleges of Yale or Harvard or Wharton or Columbia or U of Chicago, etc. are foisting this 'feminazi' thing on their MBAs, then I'm not going to waste the two bucks worth of tissue to toss you for your issue. That's the capitalist system. If you don't like the feminazi crap being taught at your uni (as alleged), then pay the money and go where they say exactly what you want to hear. End of story.

Zonie63 -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/14/2013 5:18:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so-SG2TjaEk A great example on how contemporary feminist theory is generally based on assumption, NOT FACT. We are supposed to believe feminist theory by faith, not by actual hard factual evidence. This is what you define as dogma. I didn't watch the video, although there was a link to the transcript for it, for those who would rather read a transcript than sit through a video. From the transcript: quote: Today is no different; it’s just that the dogma in question has changed. The clergy has been replaced by academia, the pontiff has been replaced by the university professor, and the pulpit has been replaced by the powerpoint presentation. What was once known as a service may now be known as a “seminar”, but in truth, if you swap the references to supernatural deities with references towards equality and diversity, the 2 institutions are practically interchangeable. The premises held by gender studies students today are just as faith based as the premises held by the theocratic crusaders that came before them, and questioning their moral beliefs will provoke the same indignation. Those who dissent from their worldview may no longer be labelled as heretics, but the word heretic has not been done away with, it’s just been replaced by words such as misogynist, bigot, and xenophobe, and whilst there were once such things as blasphemy laws to deal with the heretics; today, in many regions we have hate-speech laws instead, which are basically the same thing. Speech which is deemed immoral by the dominant ideological narrative is deemed to warrant direct action designed to discourage it. Regardless of what freedoms those who fall outside of such a worldview are denied as a result. Whilst many people like to convince themselves that modernity is a paragon of enlightenment; in reality, with moralistic ideologies such as feminism colluding with the state (as well as with numerous multinational corporations) to limit their opponent’s narrative from gaining traction, we’re living in little more than a modern day theocracy, and as one of the modern day “heretics”, I have gradually grown very sceptical towards much of modern academia as a result. I don't agree that we live in a modern theocracy, or if we do, it's not an absolute theocracy. If anything, it seems we have two competing factions of theocrats. They both use tactics which are similar to each other, even if they're from opposite sides of the argument. I also don't think that people should boycott academia or even that academia is the problem here. Academia is very much a part of our society, but I would question just how much influence and sway they have with the general public and the overall political attitudes in this country. You may have researched this more than I have, Nick, so perhaps you can correct me if I'm wrong. However, I've discerned a difference between the typical college campus feminist and the Hollywood/pop culture/talk show feminists which seem to grab more of the limelight and create the image of "feminism" as it may exist in the eyes of the general public. When you speak of double standards and hypocrisy, I think it's more the Hollywood feminists who display those qualities and embrace the double standards. Academia feminists seem rather quaint and less influential by comparison.

Moonhead -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/14/2013 6:52:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 I also don't think that people should boycott academia or even that academia is the problem here. Academia is very much a part of our society, but I would question just how much influence and sway they have with the general public and the overall political attitudes in this country. The short answer to that is "none". Academia has little or no influence on mass culture, the media or the political system. That's why it's a safe target for hysterical ranting of the sort displayed in that video in the OP... (As to your other point about hypocrisy and the difference between academic feminists and attention seeking b-listers, it's worth remembering that there has been massive variations among the philosophies described as feminism since the '60s. It isn't like Camile Paglia and Germaine Greer have many values in common, and those are probably the two best known academic feminists alive. Part of the problem here is that any mouthy woman unhappy with her lot in life quickly gets identified as a feminist by the media, which sadly has become another way to marginalise people since the turn of the '90s.)

mnottertail -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/14/2013 7:27:55 AM)
LOL. I watched that stupid shit, it was a waste of Oxygen.....it can be inferred...........Yeah, it can also be not inferred. The opinion expressed was an opinion, without fact, without merit, and without usefulness. Sociology is sociology, and of course there are changing norms, changing mores and so on.........they are reporting what is, and what is percieved, they are not explaining the genome of sociology as the ironclad makeup. This is much whining and gnashing of teeth about a fly egg in the milk powder.

Lucylastic -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/14/2013 7:32:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 I also don't think that people should boycott academia or even that academia is the problem here. Academia is very much a part of our society, but I would question just how much influence and sway they have with the general public and the overall political attitudes in this country. The short answer to that is "none". Academia has little or no influence on mass culture, the media or the political system. That's why it's a safe target for hysterical ranting of the sort displayed in that video in the OP... (As to your other point about hypocrisy and the difference between academic feminists and attention seeking b-listers, it's worth remembering that there has been massive variations among the philosophies described as feminism since the '60s. It isn't like Camile Paglia and Germaine Greer have many values in common, and those are probably the two best known academic feminists alive. Part of the problem here is that any mouthy woman unhappy with her lot in life quickly gets identified as a feminist by the media, which sadly has become another way to marginalise people since the turn of the '90s.) This... Im passionate about womens reproductive rights, but hardly a rabid feminazi, altho Im ubercunt to some misogynists. But that is mostly because Im a "mouthy woman" As far as academia goes, I did some reading, my own research, Ive worked in crisis management, and with DV/Rape(Both sexes) but ive never much been a fan of radical fem, Ive never done a womans study program(gasp). But honestly to frame feminism as a religion or even academia as bad as a religion is more telling than the truth.

mnottertail -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/14/2013 7:50:49 AM)
You have always been an ubercunt to me, honey, and I had no idea you were a rabid feminazi. How's them apples?

Lucylastic -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/14/2013 7:53:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail You have always been an ubercunt to me, honey, and I had no idea you were a rabid feminazi. How's them apples? I know darlin:) but YOU, I adore:) edited to add... the muppets who think Im a rabid feminazi have shit for brains.

evesgrden -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/14/2013 11:12:50 AM)
quote: How's them apples? Apples are my department darlin'. No harm ever came from just having a little taste...

DomKen -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/14/2013 11:17:36 AM)
FR Another dumbass MRA thread? Can we not limit this stupid crap to one thread at a time?

mnottertail -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/14/2013 11:25:22 AM)
Since we cannot limit the site to one dumbass at a time............NO.

evesgrden -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/14/2013 11:30:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so-SG2TjaEk A great example on how contemporary feminist theory is generally based on assumption, NOT FACT. We are supposed to believe feminist theory by faith, not by actual hard factual evidence. This is what you define as dogma. um quote: To illustrate this I can simply point to the fact that the jobs which are the most dangerous, the jobs which require the most leadership responsibility, and the jobs which are the most physically demanding; are predominantly populated by men. This explains why there are more men doing manual labor than there are women, and there are more women becoming doctors and lawyers than ever before. If you really want to argue that men should bulk up and keep doing that dangerous heavy lifting, while only women do the intellectual stuff, that's ok by me. Doesn't make sense, but if you're going to fall for some guy who has a problem with equal pay for equal quality work, then this shouldn't be tough to take either.

Lucylastic -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/14/2013 12:16:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: evesgrden quote: How's them apples? Apples are my department darlin'. No harm ever came from just having a little taste... nibbbbbbbbling is good

Moonhead -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/14/2013 12:19:29 PM)
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Winterapple -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/14/2013 1:15:19 PM)
I agree it has little or no influence certainly not in the US. France, maybe but France like academia itself is a hothouse culture. Usually the only time academia is pulled out of the stacks is when it's being used as fodder for someone's agenda. The Zealot Jesus book being one recent example. Paglia was an admirer of and perhaps even influenced or inspired by the early Greer. But came to think that Greer went off the rails at some point. I think Greer is interesting and certainly intelligent and learned. She's can still write books that are worth reading and thought provoking. Her fairly recent book on Shakespeare wife was I thought quite good. Like the Zealot Jesus book you have an academic writing about a historical person that there isn't a lot of concrete information about. The academic fills this in with bringing the world the subject lived in to life and doing some freestyle pondering and speculating. It's the pondering and speculating that gets misconstrued and filtered down to websites for nonreaders to have conniptions over.

Zonie63 -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/14/2013 1:22:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 I also don't think that people should boycott academia or even that academia is the problem here. Academia is very much a part of our society, but I would question just how much influence and sway they have with the general public and the overall political attitudes in this country. The short answer to that is "none". Academia has little or no influence on mass culture, the media or the political system. That's why it's a safe target for hysterical ranting of the sort displayed in that video in the OP... (As to your other point about hypocrisy and the difference between academic feminists and attention seeking b-listers, it's worth remembering that there has been massive variations among the philosophies described as feminism since the '60s. It isn't like Camile Paglia and Germaine Greer have many values in common, and those are probably the two best known academic feminists alive. Part of the problem here is that any mouthy woman unhappy with her lot in life quickly gets identified as a feminist by the media, which sadly has become another way to marginalise people since the turn of the '90s.) I agree that academia has little influence, although they do have some. However, I think that popular culture, media, politics, etc. influences academia far more than the reverse. I also agree that feminism itself seems to be varied and defined in different ways. I think that most people can grasp the basics - equal pay for equal work, equal rights, voting, employment, free speech, etc. Not everyone seems to agree with it, although the basic fundamentals are easy enough to understand. But sometimes the debate can get a bit nebulous and off track, I've noticed.

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