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RottenJohnny -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/14/2013 1:42:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwynn Oh gosh, you mean you could actually listen to this tripe and not have a side-spilling fall-out-of-chair-laughing experience? Yes, because I assumed it was going to be full of bias before I even listened to it and I adjusted my thinking appropriately. But I wasn't as interested in his overall comments about feminism and academia as much as I was interested in his pointed comments about academia itself. And in that, I think there was some validity to what he said. In retrospect, I suppose that's more off topic.

Domnotlooking -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/14/2013 7:40:20 PM)
Women have been so shit on forever. If .00001% of them want to go a little bizzaro/berserk, what's it to me? And with tuitions now at astronomical costs, won't this non-problem pretty much price itself out of existence? Women's Studies must be the ultimate "do you want fries with that?" degree. I'm guessing this is overwhelmingly the provence of trust fund darlings who are co-majoring in modern dance. Has anyone here ever even met a woman's studies graduate? Ever been harassed by an Andrea Dworkin type? Or conversely, ever heard the term femi nazi (damn that autocorrect) some place other than from Rush Limbaugh's demented mouth? It's like when right wing people are still faux-outraged about the 60's. Maybe they're really mad about something else. I would love to get yelled at by one of these bra burning unicorns. Who wouldn't?

tazzygirl -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/14/2013 8:30:23 PM)
~FR People are aware that bra burning didnt happen, I hope.

naughtynick81 -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/14/2013 8:47:55 PM)
quote: Women have been so shit on forever. Hyperbole alert. Anyway, here's some food for thought The Myth of Women's Oppression

naughtynick81 -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/15/2013 3:13:38 AM)
quote: I also agree that feminism itself seems to be varied and defined in different ways. I think that most people can grasp the basics - equal pay for equal work, equal rights, voting, employment, free speech, etc The free speech part, I totally disagree. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2KPeMcYsuc Contemporary feminism is totally lopsided. Sad that many don't realise.

Zonie63 -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/15/2013 6:28:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 quote: I also agree that feminism itself seems to be varied and defined in different ways. I think that most people can grasp the basics - equal pay for equal work, equal rights, voting, employment, free speech, etc The free speech part, I totally disagree. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2KPeMcYsuc Contemporary feminism is totally lopsided. Sad that many don't realise. Well, the feminists in the video were wrong. They were not exercising free speech by pulling a false fire alarm. That's illegal, and whoever did it should go to jail. They wasted resources of the fire department, and hopefully there was no fire or other emergency requiring their services at that moment. That's a very irresponsible thing for those feminists to do, but just because a small group of immature idiots pulls a stupid stunt like this, I'm not going to hold it against the entire group. (I really hope other feminists will condemn this act, since, gender issues aside, one should NEVER PULL A FALSE FIRE ALARM! Stuff like that really makes my blood boil.) They're also an example of what I wrote further in my post (which you didn't quote) where the debate can get nebulous and off-track. The person in the video was reviewing the charter of the group that they were protesting against, and all they're for is equal gender rights. The guy had a point in wondering why these feminists were protesting against a group which advocates equal rights for both genders. That does seem rather fucked up, I'll admit, and it's indicative of the kind of confusion which can result in public debate, since the feminists in the video were clearly going beyond the basics of equal rights and heading into la-la land.

tazzygirl -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/15/2013 7:13:13 AM)
Pulling a fire alarm is a form of civil disobedience. Is it one I agree with? no. It is one that has been used repeatedly. I dont like the militant feminists, any more than I like the militant men's groups. But both sides have the right to speak, the right to protest, even the right to speak out against the other. Those of us in the middle are left with bleeding ear drums and a disbelief that two groups could be fighting for the samr thing if only they would stop blaming the other. Current day feminists piss me off with all their men bashing. MRA's piss me off with all their women bashing. Women fear losing ground. Men seem to fear being pushed to the ground that women used to be relegated too. I have yet to see an MRA member come to these boards and actually complain about the bad treatment men get without including the fact that its all a woman's fault. I wont hold my breath.

Zonie63 -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/15/2013 1:23:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Pulling a fire alarm is a form of civil disobedience. Is it one I agree with? no. It is one that has been used repeatedly. I agree that some forms of civil disobedience can be effective and even worthwhile, but this is just not one of them. Messing around with the fire department just ain't cool, no matter what the cause is or what side one is on. If it's being used repeatedly, then shame on whoever is doing it. quote: I dont like the militant feminists, any more than I like the militant men's groups. But both sides have the right to speak, the right to protest, even the right to speak out against the other. Those of us in the middle are left with bleeding ear drums and a disbelief that two groups could be fighting for the samr thing if only they would stop blaming the other. Oh, I agree they have every right to speak, although those that get so militant about it are the ones who baffle me. It's like they think that men and women are on opposite sides in a war and that we're automatically born into one faction or the other. I don't actually meet very many of these militants in real life anyway. Most of the men and women I deal with on a daily basis are just like regular normal people who don't really have some kind of chip on their shoulder - at least not about this issue. Sure, people care about the government, human rights, equality for men and women - but they don't have an in-your-face attitude where they regard their neighbors as some kind of enemy.

naughtynick81 -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/15/2013 6:04:03 PM)
If feminists equally supported men's rights, there wouldn't likely be a men's rights movement. But then again, the word "feminism" is female centric, so what do you expect. Feminists love to point at the dictionary meaning but their actions speak louder than words. What feminists do is what feminism is.

Domnotlooking -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/15/2013 6:41:08 PM)
I just google imaged. They burned at least one bra. 'Would have killed to be there that.

tazzygirl -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/15/2013 7:20:42 PM)
http://www.snopes.com/history/american/burnbra.asp

TizzyTara -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/17/2013 4:58:16 PM)
I'm female and modern day feminists frighten me! I mean, they hate the fact I am traditional and put raising my children first and foremost over climbing the greasy corporate pole of promotion.

naughtynick81 -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/17/2013 5:10:11 PM)
Tizzy, yes, it's contradictory to claim you're freeing women while on the other hand, be intolerant towards choosing the traditional way. What what else can ya expect from femifartzis.

tweakabelle -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/17/2013 8:06:37 PM)
It's sad that no one has chosen to mention the achievements of modern feminism(s), probably because they are ignorant of what feminism(s) are, if the evidence in this thread is anything to go by. Modern feminism has changed the lives of hundreds of millions of women for the better. Here's just a couple of those achievements: Feminism has freed women from condemned to lifestyles they neither chose nor wanted and given women choices about how they wish to live their lives. Feminism has opened the door to women having successful satisfying careers in the workforce if that is the choice those women have made for themselves. Feminism has destroyed the systematic institutional discrimination against women in the workplace, churches, education, and a myriad of other areas of public life. Feminism has succeeded in removing the veil of silence over the politics of gender, and ensured that gender is correctly considered at the core of all human relations in all fields ranging from the everyday to philosophical analysis. Feminism has improved the design and supply of health services to women, thus saving millions of lives. Feminism has restored control of reproductive rights to women. There are precious few comparable contemporary political movements that have been this successful in dramatically improving the quality of hundreds of millions of lives. The only candidates that spring to mind are the anti-colonialist and anti-racist movements. Compared to this impressive list of achievements, the complaints of a few people on this thread can only be seen as the ignorant, embittered, inconsequential nitpicking it is. This pathetic nitpicking tells us far more about the people making it than it does about feminism(s), about which the nitpickers sadly know next to nothing.

tazzygirl -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/17/2013 8:09:33 PM)
Im not so sure she meant modern... maybe militant?

Edwynn -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/18/2013 6:11:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny quote: ORIGINAL: Edwynn Oh gosh, you mean you could actually listen to this tripe and not have a side-spilling fall-out-of-chair-laughing experience? Yes, because I assumed it was going to be full of bias before I even listened to it and I adjusted my thinking appropriately. But I wasn't as interested in his overall comments about feminism and academia as much as I was interested in his pointed comments about academia itself. And in that, I think there was some validity to what he said. In retrospect, I suppose that's more off topic. I hear what you say, and that aspect was only one of several that I found issue with in my academic experience, and in dealing with others who can only go by whatever they were told in the classroom. But not allowing any and every wacko notion by a student who apparently has wacko parents or has had a lifetime of evangelistic upbringing, etc. into discussion in class does not equate to academe not being "open minded." Bigotry, or xenophobia of any ethnicity or gender, whatever the particular terminology per case, is not allowed as expression, thank goodness, but is allowed and elucidated as object of discussion. In any case, people who believe everything taught in school and go strictly by the letter, and HS and college dropouts, have all turned out to be both billionaires and bums. They run the world, or make you fill out forms for those who do, etc. To leave off with a bit of trivia, Truman was the last US president to not have a college degree (due to lack of funds, certainly not due to lack of ability) and Bill Gates is the most recent college dropout billionaire. In any case, back to the video: I had a seriously hard time trying to get through it because the narrator's voice was so incessantly whiny-bitch-loser annoying. Which would explain the OP's attraction to it, BTW. I just had to stop it at 4:08, as that was past my normal patience for that type of voice by 4 minutes already. You should play it again and FF and stop it at 4:08 and see the picture of the fireman aiming the water hose at a bunch of flames. I kid you not, I just happened to stop at that moment due to aural exhaustion, but that picture captures perfectly my response to the whole diatribe. Too funny.

thompsonx -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/18/2013 6:48:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail LOL. I watched that stupid shit, it was a waste of Oxygen.....it can be inferred...........Yeah, it can also be not inferred. The opinion expressed was an opinion, without fact, without merit, and without usefulness. Sociology is sociology, and of course there are changing norms, changing mores and so on.........they are reporting what is, and what is percieved, they are not explaining the genome of sociology as the ironclad makeup. This is much whining and gnashing of teeth about a fly egg in the milk powder. Or picking flyshit out of pepper

thompsonx -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/18/2013 6:50:13 AM)
Just like fucking cops...I can never find an ubercunt when I need one???

thompsonx -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/18/2013 6:58:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 quote: Women have been so shit on forever. Hyperbole alert. Anyway, here's some food for thought The Myth of Women's Oppression There is a pretty easy way to put this mindnumbingly stupid shit to the test. Dress up like a woman and see what life is like. If as you say women have it locked up then you will be rich in no time and then go back to being an oppressed male and enjoy all the money you have made as a successful feminazi.

thompsonx -> RE: Feminism and the problem with modern academia (8/18/2013 7:01:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TizzyTara I'm female and modern day feminists frighten me! I mean, they hate the fact I am traditional and put raising my children first and foremost over climbing the greasy corporate pole of promotion. Please show me in the feminazi manual where it says that you may not choose to be a domestic engineer instead of trying to climb the greasy corporate pole of promotion?

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