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MariaB -> Do we perceive Beauty? (1/8/2013 8:12:30 AM)


"A man sat at a metro station in Washington DC and started to play the violin; it was a cold January morning. He played six Bach pieces for about 45 minutes. During that time, since it was rush hour, it was calculated that 1,100 people went through the station, most of them on their way to work.
Three minutes went by, and a middle aged man noticed there was musician playing. He slowed his pace, and stopped for a few seconds, and then hurried up to meet his schedule.
A minute later, the violinist received his first dollar tip: a woman threw the money in the till and without stopping, and continued to walk.
A few minutes later, someone leaned against the wall to listen to him, but the man looked at his watch and started to walk again. Clearly he was late for work.
The one who paid the most attention was a 3 year old boy. His mother tagged him along, hurried, but the kid stopped to look at the violinist. Finally, the mother pushed hard, and the child continued to walk, turning his head all the time. This action was repeated by several other children. All the parents, without exception, forced them to move on.
In the 45 minutes the musician played, only 6 people stopped and stayed for a while. About 20 gave him money, but continued to walk their normal pace. He collected $32. When he finished playing and silence took over, no one noticed it. No one applauded, nor was there any recognition.
No one knew this, but the violinist was Joshua Bell, one of the most talented musicians in the world. He had just played one of the most intricate pieces ever written, on a violin worth $3.5 million dollars.
Two days before his playing in the subway, Joshua Bell sold out at a theater in Boston where the seats averaged $100.
This is a real story. Joshua Bell playing incognito in the metro station was organized by the Washington Post as part of a social experiment about perception, taste, and priorities of people. The outlines were: in a commonplace environment at an inappropriate hour: Do we perceive beauty? Do we stop to appreciate it? Do we recognize the talent in an unexpected context? One of the possible conclusions from this experience could be: If we do not have a moment to stop and listen to one of the best musicians in the world playing the best music ever written, how many other things are we missing?"
By: Josh Nonnenmoc




NocturnalStalker -> RE: Do we perceive Beauty? (1/8/2013 8:17:02 AM)

This is the tragedy I live with every day.




FelineFae -> RE: Do we perceive Beauty? (1/8/2013 8:36:17 AM)

i wander if the results would have been better in a different venue, somewhere generally considered "safe".

*This took place in a subway, not a location a person will want to linger, even for the reward of beautiful music.

*Moms think of subways as places people get mugged, not somewhere for Jr.'s musical education.

Also, these people had obligations to be somewhere, staying to enjoy the music would be weighed against one's commitment to another.
In society, it's good to honour your word. Likewise, it's bad to be selfish.
Not getting to work on time because you wanted to watch the rest of the news or listen to the street musician doesn't normally fly with the boss.




LizDeluxe -> RE: Do we perceive Beauty? (1/8/2013 8:37:58 AM)

That was a poorly conceived experiment, in my opinion. It was rush hour when many of the passersby had to be somewhere else. Giving people a choice of being late for work or listening to Bell play? Not much of a choice there. I think the experiment has much more value if it is performed in a less hectic period where people actually have a choice to carry on with their plans or stay and listen.

There are other problems with the experiment. Like many experiments, it has a conclusion first and then tries to prove such with the actual experiment. The suggestion here is that classical music is so beautiful..... $3.5M instrument.... $100 per seat tickets. In a real world setting nobody really cared. Maybe all that high brow stuff is just... well... high brow. The experiment implies that all the folks int he subway missed something. Maybe there is nothing to actually miss.




NuevaVida -> RE: Do we perceive Beauty? (1/8/2013 9:05:39 AM)

I've read about this. I love Joshua Bell. I've paid to see him perform and it was an amazing show.

I was in NYC one night, passing through a subway station in Times Square. Very crowded. There was a quartet playing that was so beautiful it stopped me dead in my tracks. I not only listened and dropped them $5, but I called my best friend to excitedly share the experience with her.

Beauty is what moves us. During rush hour is probably not a great time to stop and appreciate beauty, but I wouldn't conclude that it's not recognized by those who found it beautiful.




MariaB -> RE: Do we perceive Beauty? (1/8/2013 9:24:10 AM)

I agree with everyone about rush hour and all its problems. I'm pretty sure it would of been the same result in London or Paris. And Liz is right, music is very subjective. I don't appreciate opera and so If I was to hear some high flying soprano singing in my local high street, I would probably take ten paces to his left before passing by quickly!
Neuva, I had a similar experience in Bristol recently with a group of musicians that sounded like they had just stepped out of the Buena Vista Social Club. Fortunately all I was doing was shopping and so I was able to hang around these guys and just like you I called a friends to listen in because I knew she would appreciate this amazing music.




kdsub -> RE: Do we perceive Beauty? (1/8/2013 9:35:36 AM)

Just wondering in this age with half the people you pass have an earplug in their ear or so busy texting on their phones...if they even like that type of music. It could be that only the people willing to pay the $100 like violin music... to a younger crowd perhaps it is just noise.

Butch




kalikshama -> RE: Do we perceive Beauty? (1/8/2013 9:44:45 AM)

I've lingered in subways to listen to street performers. But they were playing Led Zeppelin [:D]




MariaB -> RE: Do we perceive Beauty? (1/8/2013 9:47:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

I've lingered in subways to listen to street performers. But they were playing Led Zeppelin [:D]

I would of been standing right next to you!




vincentML -> RE: Do we perceive Beauty? (1/8/2013 10:00:36 AM)

Love the topic and the story. Thanks [:)]




kdsub -> RE: Do we perceive Beauty? (1/8/2013 10:06:50 AM)

I was also part of a musical experiment. One cold January day… the temperature at 8°F… I was kayaking down the St Francis River in Missouri. Thinking I was all alone with my MP3 player and earphones listening to Sarah Brightman singing phantom of the opera…I was singing along when I happened to glance across the river to see a group of kids holding their ears… then they commenced to throw rocks at me… Kids have no culture today.

Butch




needlesandpins -> RE: Do we perceive Beauty? (1/8/2013 10:22:03 AM)

ok i live in a town without an underground system, so all our street artists are just that. i am usually in a rush when in town, but will still listen to someone doing something really well. if i can i will also give them some money.

now, if they were in London and underground i'd be walking straight by...infact i have done. no matter how good they may be it's just too busy to stop.

needles




TAFKAA -> RE: Do we perceive Beauty? (1/8/2013 10:53:49 AM)

It's a stunt, not a social experiment. People respond implicitly to the mechanism of social proof, especially in a crowded station where the priority is transit from point A to point B. Much of our subjective appreciation is dominated by other cues.

For example: Wine experts really can't tell the difference between wines. Various experiments have conclusively demonstrated that appreciation of a wine is driven by the label on the bottle. Similarly, people can't tell their own beer in a blind taste test. They can distinguish a lager from an ale, but they can't identify *their* lager amongst other lagers.

Part of appreciation of a musical performance, is the prestige of the musician involved, the exclusivity of the performance, the venue and so on. This is because human perception is a multi-faceted subjective experience. People may not perceive beauty when distracted, but that's how the mind works. After all, sometimes we don't even perceive pain when distracted, so beauty's hardly going to get a look in.




TNDommeK -> RE: Do we perceive Beauty? (1/8/2013 11:00:08 AM)

I would have stopped and listened. I enjoy the violin. I would say yes to answer your question, I can be one of those "running through the fields counting every flower" type girl. So I do take time to stop and recognize beauty around Me.




kdsub -> RE: Do we perceive Beauty? (1/8/2013 11:01:09 AM)

Check THIS out if you will
Butch




kdsub -> RE: Do we perceive Beauty? (1/8/2013 11:07:28 AM)

I think the Arby's is great

Butch




TNDommeK -> RE: Do we perceive Beauty? (1/8/2013 11:09:35 AM)

OMG! that was beautiful. It gave Me chills, I loved that. Thank you so much for sharing that. WOW, just wow.




MariaB -> RE: Do we perceive Beauty? (1/8/2013 11:11:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: TAFKAA


Part of appreciation of a musical performance, is the prestige of the musician involved, the exclusivity of the performance, the venue and so on. This is because human perception is a multi-faceted subjective experience. People may not perceive beauty when distracted, but that's how the mind works. After all, sometimes we don't even perceive pain when distracted, so beauty's hardly going to get a look in.


I agree with this. Its the same with the art world. In the UK we have a famous street artist called Banksy. He's a guy who displays his art on public surfaces. He lives in the shadows and his large fan base can only speculate about who he is, which of course makes him all the more intriguing. One thing can be certain, if he paints on the wall of your house, your house will double or even treble in price.
We were doing a project in Bristol when this guy and his team arrived and started to sculpt this very large octopus coming out of the windows of the adjoining building. Everyone, including ourselves, didn't take a great deal of notice. It was in a busy part of the city with thousands of pedestrians but no crowd formed whilst the artwork was in progress. The following day the press came down and announced it was a Banksy. People then arrived from all over the UK to photograph this piece of art.
I could of photographed Banksy in action [:o]




kdsub -> RE: Do we perceive Beauty? (1/8/2013 11:12:09 AM)

quote:

OMG! that was beautiful. It gave Me chills, I loved that. Thank you so much for sharing that. WOW, just wow


It sure beats my rendition of phantom of the opera...lol ...It brought tears to my eyes and that's hard to do.

Butch




theRose4U -> RE: Do we perceive Beauty? (1/8/2013 11:12:22 AM)

I got to see michael barishnikov front row center as a girl just because I stopped to watch the quartet & "demo dancers" outside the ballet. Everyone else ignored that "the man is on the posters" rushing to see the famous (newly defected) dancer that they missed being close enough to touch him!! While the rush past frustrated & angered him to profanity he told my family" he was so moved by the girl with magic still in her eyes" he wanted us as his special guests.
I have met many other "famous people" the same way, noticing the pieces that don't blend & then treating them like a regular person...sometimes too much so.




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