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RE: Now its Yoga - 12/17/2012 5:16:55 PM   
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So people in the West can do whatever they want with their yoga as interpreted by themselves. But they can't say that yoga itself is not spiritual or religious. Their distorted view of it does not change it's inherent spirituality. And it is the height of arrogance to suggest otherwise.

As an atheist, who's told you that even when used purely as an exercise programme yoga has a spiritual meaning?


Moonhead, please re-read what I wrote. That is NOT what I am saying.

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RE: Now its Yoga - 12/17/2012 5:21:40 PM   
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Because it looks like what you're saying above is that however thoroughly divorced from any spiritual meaning yoga might be for the people who are doing to help their posture, prevent arthritis or prevent their kids turning into barely mobile pots of blubber, they are all worshippers of the Hindu pantheon because a few people in India are thinking of Siva* when they stand on their head and do a few breathing exercises.
Doesn't that sound even slightly absurd to you?

*(Or Ganesha. Whoever.)

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RE: Now its Yoga - 12/17/2012 5:42:31 PM   
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But let's at least all agree that how yoga is practiced in the West is incredibly superficial with most people caring more about their expensive Lululemon wear and what poses they can achieve than caring about anything spiritual.


Kripalu's former Marketing Director made sure her lipstick, nail polish, and sweater matched for yoga classes

Example of an ad in Yoga Journal - a woman wearing socks and nothing else:



http://www.itsallyogababy.com/judith-hanson-lasater-to-yoga-journal-no-more-sexy-yoga-ads/

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RE: Now its Yoga - 12/17/2012 5:51:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Okay. Let me spell it out. It is someone's personal determination about whether it is spiritual or is not for them. It is NOT for someone else to decide for another individual. YOGA, as a Hindu practice IS spiritual.

Most yoga teachers are "certified" by simply doing 200 hours of yoga at a yoga studio (anywhere). Then they conduct a class that they claim is not based on spirituality. Maybe for them personally. I don't think they can answer that for other people (either in their own class, or in the world generally).

The fact of the matter is that most "yoga instructors" in the West have at best an incredibly superficial understanding of yoga technique. If this were football and a coach had that level of understanding of the sport I would NEVER enroll my son in the football program. Just saying.

And people who are doing it for arthritis, posture etc. might want to be mindful of the following:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/08/magazine/how-yoga-can-wreck-your-body.html?pagewanted=all

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RE: Now its Yoga - 12/17/2012 5:54:05 PM   
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RE: Now its Yoga - 12/17/2012 5:55:32 PM   
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RE: Now its Yoga - 12/17/2012 6:05:07 PM   
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But let's at least all agree that how yoga is practiced in the West is incredibly superficial with most people caring more about their expensive Lululemon wear and what poses they can achieve than caring about anything spiritual.


Kripalu's former Marketing Director made sure her lipstick, nail polish, and sweater matched for yoga classes

Example of an ad in Yoga Journal - a woman wearing socks and nothing else:



Kali, I have so much respect for Yoga and yoga practitioners who approach it with the right mindset.

But the practice has become inundated with people who are all about ego - and that is exactly what yoga is not supposed to be about. It's very weird, but in my own circles, the people I know who are the biggest practitioners of yoga are also the most selfish and self-absorbed. I can't explain it, but there you have it. I think this is what happens when the spiritual component of yoga is stripped away. You are left with pure, unadulterated ego. Yoga is actually supposed to assist us on our path to enlightenment.

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RE: Now its Yoga - 12/17/2012 6:08:50 PM   
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But let's at least all agree that how yoga is practiced in the West is incredibly superficial with most people caring more about their expensive Lululemon wear and what poses they can achieve than caring about anything spiritual.


Kripalu's former Marketing Director made sure her lipstick, nail polish, and sweater matched for yoga classes

Example of an ad in Yoga Journal - a woman wearing socks and nothing else:



http://www.itsallyogababy.com/judith-hanson-lasater-to-yoga-journal-no-more-sexy-yoga-ads/


That woman can do a single hand handstand......she`s incredible.

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RE: Now its Yoga - 12/17/2012 6:15:47 PM   
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Maybe that's why somebody with a Bible stuffed so far up her arse she can taste it is throwing a hissy fit?
possibly, but it seems to me that if a town's personality doesn't suit you, you don't buy a home there. It's an oceanfront community. It's expensive real estate. It's not a place you move to because you can't afford somewhere else. You move there because you like the town.


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RE: Now its Yoga - 12/17/2012 6:21:19 PM   
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That woman can do a single hand handstand......she`s incredible.


Owner do you need glasses??

She has both hands on the ground.....

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RE: Now its Yoga - 12/17/2012 6:26:52 PM   
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And people who are doing it for arthritis, posture etc. might want to be mindful of the following:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/08/magazine/how-yoga-can-wreck-your-body.html?pagewanted=all

I so agree with you on this, I have a curve to my spine (scoliosis), go to a chiropractor sometimes, and i tried yoga a few years ago thinking it would help my back.. my gawd! never, never, never will i do that again.. There are exercises that are good for my back, but yoga definately isnt one of them!.. people should take more care with deciding what exercise to do, especially if they do have back problems..

and too.. kids can have back problems and scoliosis too (scoliosis tends to start when you are young), so for that reason, I disagree with yoga being "taught" at school.. those teachers dont really know if any of those kids have back issues or not..

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RE: Now its Yoga - 12/17/2012 6:29:11 PM   
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That woman can do a single hand handstand......she`s incredible.


Owner do you need glasses??

She has both hands on the ground.....

just a wild guess butt.. he might have his eyes focused elsewhere..


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RE: Now its Yoga - 12/17/2012 6:39:23 PM   
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Kali, I have so much respect for Yoga and yoga practitioners who approach it with the right mindset.

But the practice has become inundated with people who are all about ego - and that is exactly what yoga is not supposed to be about. It's very weird, but in my own circles, the people I know who are the biggest practitioners of yoga are also the most selfish and self-absorbed. I can't explain it, but there you have it. I think this is what happens when the spiritual component of yoga is stripped away. You are left with pure, unadulterated ego. Yoga is actually supposed to assist us on our path to enlightenment.


My students at gyms consistently talked about physical and mental (aka stress relief) benefits of yoga. I saw both ego and spirituality at yoga studios, centers, and the ashram in upstate New York.

I have a friend who gets into Scorpion pose in public at the slightest opportunity. He does have a lot of ego invested in his yoga practice. However, considering he started practicing after he overdosed on heroin for the umpteenth time during his 28 year addiction and has been clean for 12 years now, and is no longer a petty and not-so-petty criminal, he's come a long way!

(This was not to dispute your point about ego - I'm just free associating :)

I'd like to teach yoga in prison. "Yoga Inside" was an organization in California that facilitated this, but they were shut down by a lawsuit by Intel >_<

My minister teaches Buddhism at a prison - I brought up my desire to teach yoga inside when we first met and now that he knows me better will bring it up again.

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RE: Now its Yoga - 12/17/2012 6:45:46 PM   
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Kali, I have so much respect for Yoga and yoga practitioners who approach it with the right mindset.

But the practice has become inundated with people who are all about ego - and that is exactly what yoga is not supposed to be about. It's very weird, but in my own circles, the people I know who are the biggest practitioners of yoga are also the most selfish and self-absorbed. I can't explain it, but there you have it. I think this is what happens when the spiritual component of yoga is stripped away. You are left with pure, unadulterated ego. Yoga is actually supposed to assist us on our path to enlightenment.


My students at gyms consistently talked about physical and mental (aka stress relief) benefits of yoga. I saw both ego and spirituality at yoga studios, centers, and the ashram in upstate New York.

I have a friend who gets into Scorpion pose in public at the slightest opportunity. He does have a lot of ego invested in his yoga practice. However, considering he started practicing after he overdosed on heroin for the umpteenth time during his 28 year addiction and has been clean for 12 years now, and is no longer a petty and not-so-petty criminal, he's come a long way!

(This was not to dispute your point about ego - I'm just free associating :)

I'd like to teach yoga in prison. "Yoga Inside" was an organization in California that facilitated this, but they were shut down by a lawsuit by Intel >_<

My minister teaches Buddhism at a prison - I brought up my desire to teach yoga inside when we first met and now that he knows me better will bring it up again.


Yoga can bring tremendous spiritual healing to people who are open to it. And I don't begrudge people who have substituted yoga for other addictions in their lives (there are worse things to be addicted to!)

I like the idea of yoga in prison - especially as part of an enlightenment approach. Again, it could bring peace to people who are in morally difficult situations. This is so much closer to its intent.

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RE: Now its Yoga - 12/17/2012 6:47:00 PM   
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That woman can do a single hand handstand......she`s incredible.


Owner do you need glasses??

She has both hands on the ground.....

just a wild guess butt.. he might have his eyes focused elsewhere..



Okay...fair enough...


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RE: Now its Yoga - 12/17/2012 6:56:53 PM   
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And people who are doing it for arthritis, posture etc. might want to be mindful of the following:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/08/magazine/how-yoga-can-wreck-your-body.html?pagewanted=all


I've read "The Science of Yoga: The Risks and Rewards,” by William J. Broad, from which that article was adapted. Unless it is a Gentle/Restorative class, I rarely take other teacher's yoga classes - they simply don't do enough warmups for my back. Kripalu Yoga, in which I am certified, has an entirely different approach to warmups than disciplines such as Jiva Mukti, where Sun Salutations ARE the warmups.

Even before my yoga teacher training, I was willing to sit out postures I felt weren't safe for me. I remember a teacher at a retreat being astonished when I wouldn't participate in handstand. Later, I did it with a teacher I knew and trusted who worked with me one on one, but in a class with 20 other people who are familiar with the pose? No way.

My very first teacher used lots of blankets and other props to make poses like Shoulder Stand safer. I was surprised to read in "The Science of Yoga" about the dangers of doing Shoulder Stand without using blankets, as my first teacher was the only one of many teachers who ever emphasized changing the angle of the neck/shoulders.

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RE: Now its Yoga - 12/17/2012 7:00:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		It sounds like you've had good teachers, but also a sensible approach.

I've never understood why people allow the embarrassment of not being able to do a pose push them into doing something that ends up hurting their body. It's not how I operate (nor do you, obviously), but I am always amused by people who think yoga is about proving things to others. Again, such a distortion of the true underlying values of the practice.

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RE: Now its Yoga - 12/17/2012 7:09:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		I always start a class by talking about how everyone's bodies are different - some have more or less flexibility, some have more or less strength - and to allow your body to express the posture its own way, and to not be competitive. I'll mention that that Kripalu means "being compassionate" and to be compassionate with your body. If I'm at a yoga studio or my gym students are open to it, I will talk about Ahimsa in terms of not harming yourself.

(I have hurt myself plenty of times while practicing yoga and need these reminders myself.)

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RE: Now its Yoga - 12/17/2012 7:24:27 PM   
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That woman can do a single hand handstand......she`s incredible.


Owner do you need glasses??

She has both hands on the ground.....

just a wild guess butt.. he might have his eyes focused elsewhere..



Okay...fair enough...






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RE: Now its Yoga - 12/17/2012 8:00:01 PM   
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As someone raised Hindu, I do, personally feel yoga, as practiced by Hindus, is, in fact part of religious practice. It is primarily meant to be spiritual NOT physical.

BUT, with that said, what is generally practiced here in the U.S. as "yoga" is simply some physical stretching and breathing exercises (not to make too fine a point of it, but most of what passes here for yoga is not actually yoga).

So within the context of what this particular case is about, it just sounds stupid to prohibit yoga. But let's at least all agree that how yoga is practiced in the West is incredibly superficial with most people caring more about their expensive Lululemon wear and what poses they can achieve than caring about anything spiritual.



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