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GreedyTop -> GOP must modernize to win on national stage (11/10/2012 9:16:32 AM)

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Here in the UK, Conservatives like to talk about “progressive conservatism”. And while many might not be able to explain fully what it means, the party’s reform process and evolution put the Conservatives in No 10 for the first time in 13 years. This transformation could be a lesson for today’s Republicans across the pond.
Now that the dust from another defeat has settled, there are two broad types of Republican responses: tactical and denial.
Thinking tactically, many Republican leaders and millions of pundits are asking what went wrong, focusing on the need to court Latinos and women. Well known southern Republican Senator Lindsay Graham said: “…there is only one explanation: demographics… We’re not losing 95 per cent of African-Americans and two thirds of Hispanics and voters under 30 because we’re not being hard-ass enough.”
Others, like veteran operator Karl Rove are in denial. They comfort themselves that nearly half the country still voted for Republicans and concede only that the Obama campaign had a better ground game in key states.
But neither approach gets to the bottom of why Republicans will not win a meaningful national mandate. The truth is that the Grand Old Party is too old fashioned.
When I left Washington and came to work for the Tories under David Cameron, it was a breath of fresh air. I realised that it is possible to have a nationally electable movement that is conservative but not right wing.
Their evolution from the days of Margaret Thatcher was based on the reality that the country has changed and times have changed. People’s lifestyles, the global economy, international power politics, have all shifted dramatically over the past 30 years. The Tories realised that if they wanted to regain trust and relevance, they had to modernise as well.
It is a lesson that the Republicans must accept or become an irrelevant national political force.
Modernisation cannot be limited to re-branding. It cannot amount simply to a tweaking of the platform and policies here and there to appeal to Latinos and women. It must be a root and branch review of how its programme and rhetoric have led the party away from the core principles of individual responsibility, respect of the individual, government accountability and, importantly, a commitment to fair play and justice for all people.
Some relatively recent Republican initiatives do reflect those principles, particularly the 1996 welfare reform bill which overhauled the welfare system and which even critics acknowledge has worked.
But, we’ve gone off track. Perhaps burned by the global scorn around the war launched with Iraq, foreign policy has been a back burner issue for a party that used to believe in leading the world. Maybe morale was laid low by failed attempts to tackle the systemic problems of the country’s entitlement programme and tangled tax code.
Whatever the reason for failing to reflect and act, there is no time better than now.
A President who had the fight of his political life will, hopefully, extend an olive branch to Congressional Republicans. The Republicans still hold the House, with a slightly diminished margin, but enough to demonstrate leadership and bipartisanship. Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) has already sounded cooperative and reaching a grand bargain on the looming ‘fiscal cliff’ will show voters they can rise above politics.
The Republican National Committee should develop a programme to bring party leaders together with governors and local members to start a meaningful discussion on the future of the party.
Exit polls show us why this is necessary.
Voters aged 18-34 overwhelmingly backed Obama (63%) as did Latinos (71%) and African Americans (93%). Women, which account for 53% of the electorate, supported Obama 55 to 44%.
Other indicators of the country’s shift on high-profile social issues are also relevant for a Republican re-think.
Americans have increased their support for gay marriage with more than half now supporting it, 10 points above 2010. Fifty-nine per cent of voters think abortion should remain legal. Sixty-five per cent of voters think illegal immigrants should be given the chance to get legal status.
It’s not all doom and gloom. Republicans can take some heart knowing there is a place for conservatives in America’s future. Polls showed that middle class voters (earning $50-99,000 per year) supported the Republicans 52-46%. Forty-one per cent of voters see themselves as moderate and 35% as conservative. Only 25% are liberal.
It’s time for the party to shake off the manacles of the right wing and embrace the new face and values of the country. Build that onto the sound principles of fairness, justice and individual responsibility and the party stands a chance of winning on the national stage.




fucktoyprincess -> RE: GOP must modernize to win on national stage (11/10/2012 3:54:25 PM)

Yes agreed. They need to jettison the ultra-conservative and religious right who have held their party hostage over the last two decades. The majority of people in America are not interested in that perspective anymore.

The real issue is whether they will have the guts to become more centrist.




tweakabelle -> RE: GOP must modernize to win on national stage (11/10/2012 5:31:52 PM)

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The real issue is whether they will have the guts to become more centrist


There might be more involved than just guts alone.

How many centrist Reps are left in the GOP? Over recent years, so many moderates have either left or been purged from the GOP. The party structure is crumbling in some States. The system of primaries ensures that prospective candidates must be acceptable to the looney Right before they get nominated.

The Religious Right holds its positions because of religious dogma. They cannot compromise on these positions - that would be heresy for them. These people are entrenched in influential positions throughout the party structure, and still hold sufficient numbers in Congress to be a serious obstacle to reform. Their view is that GOP lost the election because it wasn't conservative enough.

While a shift to the centre makes obvious sense for the GOP, it's far from clear that those moderates still in the GOP have the will, the skills, the influence and the numbers to make this shift happen.





Politesub53 -> RE: GOP must modernize to win on national stage (11/10/2012 5:48:28 PM)

Hi Greedy.

Your author is right about UK politics. Just as Blair had to take Labour away from some of the old left ideals of the 1970s and 80s to win in 1997, so Cameron had to streer away from the right of the Conservative party to get elected back in 2009. I have posted this before but will go further, didnt the Democrats have to change after Reagan was elected, so that Clinton appealed to the average voter ?

My point is that any political party has to change with the times or die. As the world modernises, party politics has to follow suit. This doesnt just hold true in the west, but worldwide. Now with the internet, people are more savvy. The biased local paper or news outlet no longer serves as the only source of information.

Sometimes reading views of Republicans on here, but more in the Media, I have felt the US is stuck in some parts back in the 70s. The GOP hasnt moved on with the times. It really needs to do that or face another election or two out in the wilderness.





fucktoyprincess -> RE: GOP must modernize to win on national stage (11/10/2012 6:05:44 PM)

tweakabelle, I think if the GOP cannot adapt, then the time is ripe for a new party to emerge to take its place. Very ripe.



[And as an aside you all must be in hysterics in Australia over the Kristen Neel tweets. We really aren't all that dumb! Truly.]






tazzygirl -> RE: GOP must modernize to win on national stage (11/10/2012 6:14:09 PM)

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They need to jettison the ultra-conservative and religious right who have held their party hostage over the last two decades.


I dont expect that to happen any time soon. That is the base of their fundraising.




fucktoyprincess -> RE: GOP must modernize to win on national stage (11/10/2012 6:20:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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They need to jettison the ultra-conservative and religious right who have held their party hostage over the last two decades.


I dont expect that to happen any time soon. That is the base of their fundraising.



While it may be the base of some of their fundraising today, my point is it would be more lucrative to switch tactics. There are tons of moderates who voted Democrat this election who would happily move to a more centrist party with more conservative economic policy if that alternative existed. If a viable option were in place, there is a lot of Democrat money that would shift over to the "new" party. After all, the goal for a party is to win, not just exist, and raising money from a small group of extremists is fine, but this last election proved that's not enough to get elected. So if I were them, I would jettison the religious right and their money, and try to lure other people and their money to my side.




tazzygirl -> RE: GOP must modernize to win on national stage (11/10/2012 6:21:09 PM)

Financially it would be shooting themselves in the foot. Until the blue hairs with money are 6 feet under, they hold the purse strings.




fucktoyprincess -> RE: GOP must modernize to win on national stage (11/10/2012 6:23:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Financially it would be shooting themselves in the foot. Until the blue hairs with money are 6 feet under, they hold the purse strings.


Then it's time for a new party to emerge.




Politesub53 -> RE: GOP must modernize to win on national stage (11/10/2012 6:24:40 PM)

I keep harping on about this but centre right or centre left is the way forward. The days of electorates voting for either extreme are on the way out. Voters are now internet savvy and can get news and information from sources other than the local biased media outlets. Not just in the US or UK but world wide. It could be argued that without the internet the Arab spring couldnt have happened.




tazzygirl -> RE: GOP must modernize to win on national stage (11/10/2012 6:24:48 PM)

I could not agree more. But, until one does... and its platform is better known, Im sticking with the D crowd.




fucktoyprincess -> RE: GOP must modernize to win on national stage (11/10/2012 6:33:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

I keep harping on about this but centre right or centre left is the way forward. The days of electorates voting for either extreme are on the way out. Voters are now internet savvy and can get news and information from sources other than the local biased media outlets. Not just in the US or UK but world wide. It could be argued that without the internet the Arab spring couldnt have happened.


I so agree with this. We would have so much better of a political system with two centrist parties who were competing for the same electoral base.




Fellow -> RE: GOP must modernize to win on national stage (11/10/2012 7:02:43 PM)

The modern Republican party is not GOP. It is some corporate/corrupt wing of the power elite, the other wing being the Democrats. Romney and Obama positions on major issues (economy, wars, civil liberties) are virtually identical. This is why Obama won. Otherwise, Obama being one of the main candidates for the worst president ever position, there was an opportunity for the Republicans to win presidency. Many people voting for Obama were actually Ron Paul supporters.
The third party should logically emerge under the circumstances we have today.




fucktoyprincess -> RE: GOP must modernize to win on national stage (11/10/2012 8:17:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Fellow

The modern Republican party is not GOP. It is some corporate/corrupt wing of the power elite, the other wing being the Democrats. Romney and Obama positions on major issues (economy, wars, civil liberties) are virtually identical. This is why Obama won. Otherwise, Obama being one of the main candidates for the worst president ever position, there was an opportunity for the Republicans to win presidency. Many people voting for Obama were actually Ron Paul supporters.
The third party should logically emerge under the circumstances we have today.


Explain why you feel the Democrat and Republican positions are the same?? That is not how the last four years have played out.




tweakabelle -> RE: GOP must modernize to win on national stage (11/10/2012 10:04:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

tweakabelle, I think if the GOP cannot adapt, then the time is ripe for a new party to emerge to take its place. Very ripe.


Fair enough, but what will be the basis of this new party? The GOP is a coalition of fiscal conservatives, religious Right, libertarians and Big Business interests. For the GOP to become palatable to the electorate at large, they need to ditch the Religious Right. If they are unable to do this, then a space for a moderate pragmatic conservative party along the lines of the UK Tories becomes open. Which faction(s) will inherit the rump of the old GOP and which factions will split off to form new alignments is very much up in the air at this point in time.

So how it unfolds is impossible to predict. There's no indication that the Right is aware of the need to reform at this point. Perhaps things will become a little clearer as the election inquests conclude. It could take another election cycle or two. But sooner or later the stark choice awaiting the GOP - change or perish - will become impossible to ignore.

If liberals and the Dems are really smart, they can help expedite the process with some astute wedge politics. This could involve pressing ahead with demands for marriage equality and reproductive freedom, demands that will exacerbate the tensions within the GOP, while maintaining the appearance of "reaching across the aisle" on some of the fiscal issues.


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[And as an aside you all must be in hysterics in Australia over the Kristen Neel tweets. We really aren't all that dumb! Truly.].

Yup. I believe you ftp!

However, most of us find it hilarious. Here's one bemused response from a journalist with extensive experience of US politics.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/knowledge-is-power-well-8230-20121110-294sa.html?rand=1352554880357




Fellow -> RE: GOP must modernize to win on national stage (11/11/2012 4:58:33 AM)

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Explain why you feel the Democrat and Republican positions are the same?? That is not how the last four years have played out.


They are not exactly the same, there are shades. Also, there is the Democrat establishment with real power and Democrat bystanders who make a little noise that has no real effect. We should not listen the talk and look at the positions they claim to have. Talk is cheap and the matix for sheeple is actively created and perfected. We should look at actions.
Economically I hope everybody agrees there is no difference between Bush and Obama administrations: banker and other big business bailout, deficit spending, inability to collect tax revenue, corporate trade agreements that cost jobs, wealth transfer to the rich... and the list goes on. One may say: Bush was a liberal. It does not matter though what labels we attach. What matters are practical results.
Add here principally the same war policies the Democrats in power execute: Obama has expanded war in Afghanistan, destroyed Libya, conducts bizarre drone wars all around Middle East and North Africa. Corporations profit, Americans get debt and dead, disabled.
Regarding the restrictions in civil liberties Obama not only extended the Patriot Act, he has expanded everything: TSA, laws (like NDAA) and executive orders that are quite scary for a thinking individual.
OK, there is a difference in Gay marriage issue and right to abortion issue, but remember Gays are roughly 2% of the population and many Democrats are against abortion.




flyhumbleguy -> RE: GOP must modernize to win on national stage (11/11/2012 5:15:12 AM)

I don't think they necessarily need to jettison them but rather to stop promising policies as part of their platform that are sympatico with them on social policies. The GOP would benefit from taking a more libertarian approach on social issues and encouraging those groups to exert their influence in the free market.




Politesub53 -> RE: GOP must modernize to win on national stage (11/11/2012 5:20:20 AM)

Light ans dark......two shades of grey. [8|]




GreedyTop -> RE: GOP must modernize to win on national stage (11/11/2012 6:04:48 AM)

I just would like to thank folks for keeping this civil.




SchrodingerSock -> RE: GOP must modernize to win on national stage (11/11/2012 6:25:34 AM)

To add balance please note the conservative party never gets any higher than 20% of the vote in Scotland. And frankly I would annex England if I had my way. Your average UK voter is rarely aware of what they are voting for, much like Americans.

US - Two party system embracing the full political spectrum and is therefore is fraught with more foot in the mouth scenarios.
UK 3-4 party system (up to 6-8 depending what country you are from in the UK)is a little bit better, but we still have our ultra right and ultra left within those smaller spectrum's,

Yup i saw those exit figures on the bbc website interesting reading. And my dont they tell many a story Still, for some strange reason the GOP got what was it 48-49% of the electoral vote - I wouldn't imagine they have to change too much to get into power, not that i understand this.




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