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RE: President Obama's approval rating is back to 50% - 2/16/2012 2:25:19 PM   
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I see some minor correlation but that's it. In 81, you have the inverse correlation you're claiming but 82-89, there really isnt much either way. 91-95, prices drop and the popularity of the prez is flat.
99 thru 2008, the popularity of the prez follows gas prices up and down which is the opposite of what you claim.

It looks to me like some news hack put up a graph and made a claim about it while counting on large numbers of ignorant people to believe him.


1981 was the year Reagan took office. Generally speaking, presidents enjoy a high approval rating during their initial days in office. People thought that he would be the savior after Carter.

1999-2008 gas up, approval up? So you're saying that George Bush got more popular as time marched on?

Please learn how to read charts correctly.


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RE: President Obama's approval rating is back to 50% - 2/16/2012 2:25:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: provfivetine
How is it an absurd comparison? Rising oil prices contributed to the ousting of Gerald Ford and Jimmy Cater, for example.


It doesn't show rising oil prices in ol' Cater's (sic)  time 77-81.  And Gerald Ford is not on that chart.  He's to the left of it.  But he was tossed simply because he was a waste of oxygen.  Gas prices were relatively stable during his administration, but he wasn't; he fell down alot.

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You are completely ignorant with regards to the scientific method if you think there are "objective facts" derived from history that can be used to objectively predict future phenomenon.


Scientific method (political as well come to that) tells me objectively, if we invade Iraq  in the future there will be a long drawn out war which we cannot win.  Same for Vietnam and Afghanistan.

So history may inform our futures, upon occasion, your questionable assertations notwithstanding. 



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RE: President Obama's approval rating is back to 50% - 2/16/2012 2:29:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: provfivetine
So you're saying that George Bush got more popular as time marched on? 

Why do you insist on bringing up something that he never claimed?




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RE: President Obama's approval rating is back to 50% - 2/16/2012 2:39:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Approval rating for Bush...

In the time of national crisis following the September 11 attacks, polls showed approval ratings of greater than 85%, peaking in one October 2001 poll at 92%, and a steady 80–90% approval for about four months after the attacks.

Afterward, his ratings steadily declined as the economy suffered and the Iraq War initiated by his administration continued. By early 2006, his average rating was near 40%, and in July 2008, a poll indicated a near all-time low of 22%. Upon leaving office the final poll recorded his approval rating as 19%, a record low for any U.S. President.

As people started questioning the WMD claims and the war dragged on, his approval suffered and never recovered.

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RE: President Obama's approval rating is back to 50% - 2/16/2012 2:41:24 PM   
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Ah, just what I like dealing with.. facts.

A little known fact. During the 70's, gas jumped to 2.50 a gallon. In todays money...

What cost $2.50 in 1975 would cost $10.02 in 2010.



You're counting this twice. Gasoline wasn't $2.50 in nominal terms during the 70's. It was much less.

If it's $2.50 adjusted for inflation in today's money, then it's just $2.50 - it isn't $10.02.

Pick one. You are not using facts.



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RE: President Obama's approval rating is back to 50% - 2/16/2012 2:42:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		HW only had that little bit of an upswing prior to reading his lips during the first Saddam debaucle, but he didnt go much over 80%, I was not referring to W.

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RE: President Obama's approval rating is back to 50% - 2/16/2012 2:43:51 PM   
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Why do you insist on bringing up something that he never claimed?


Who was president during that time?

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RE: President Obama's approval rating is back to 50% - 2/16/2012 2:45:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		99 thru 2008, the popularity of the prez follows gas prices up and down which is the opposite of what you claim.

That's what he said, your comprehension is flawed again.

Or do you want a sticker because you got the prez right?

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RE: President Obama's approval rating is back to 50% - 2/16/2012 2:47:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Scientific method (political as well come to that) tells me objectively, if we invade Iraq  in the future there will be a long drawn out war which we cannot win.  Same for Vietnam and Afghanistan.

So history may inform our futures, upon occasion, your questionable assertations notwithstanding. 




This is a horrible example, and says nothing. The future cannot be systematically predicted.

If you don't believe me, then write a book saying how it can. If you can show this, then you will be an overnight sensation; every university in the world will offer you an honorary doctorate, you'll win a Nobel Prize and will be fantastically rich from the fact that you can predict future market behavior.

Keep trying.

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RE: President Obama's approval rating is back to 50% - 2/16/2012 3:00:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Now should I get all whacked out and say that you are saying I said things I did not say?

I don't believe you, and I will not write a book.  There has yet to be any discussion of market behavior.  

Your horrible non-examples of non-sequitur really don't have much to do with Obama's approval ratings, and it is sort of a capitulist neo con meme to avoid dealing in topical fact.

But I don't know your politics, so it may be you like to fantasize joe the plumber scenarios rather than deal with the tawdry facts and figures of real world.

 

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RE: President Obama's approval rating is back to 50% - 2/16/2012 3:09:20 PM   
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It has no correlation whatsoever.  The only correlation in that chart is that approval ratings and gas prices occur independently, but at the same time on earth, when viewed in the same timeline.

What is the percentage bubble gum wrappers produced vs tons of cement on a yearly basis?  Your chart answers that with an equivalent degree of confidence as it does what it purports to correlate.

I conclude you are innumerate, and it is an unfortunate thing, but very widespread in America, we don't have enough training in maths,  and logic and reason.

I hope Obama's second term will try to correct that, now that we are dumping that dogshit albatross of a no child left behind fantasy.

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RE: President Obama's approval rating is back to 50% - 2/16/2012 3:27:41 PM   
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How you coming on that Jerry Ford ousted because of gas prices assertion, or the chart showing rising oil prices during the Cater (sic) administration?

Nobody has debunked (nevermind thouroughly) any 2.50 gas assertions whatsoever.



This question doesn't make sense.

I didn't say that Ford was ousted because of gas prices. I said that the rising gas prices contributed to it. You have severe reading comprehension problems.

And Gas was not $2.50 during the 1970's in nominal terms; it was $2.50 adjusted for inflation. It's either one or the other, not both.

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RE: President Obama's approval rating is back to 50% - 2/16/2012 3:31:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK, show us the rising gas prices that contributed to Jerrys ousting......
August 9, 1974 to January 20, 1977.  That's when he was falling down for the cameras.

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RE: President Obama's approval rating is back to 50% - 2/16/2012 3:37:27 PM   
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OK, show us the rising gas prices that contributed to Jerrys ousting......
August 9, 1974 to January 20, 1977.  That's when he was falling down for the cameras.


http://money.cnn.com/2006/12/27/news/newsmakers/gerald_ford/

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RE: President Obama's approval rating is back to 50% - 2/16/2012 3:43:05 PM   
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I didn't ask for a recapitulation of his stupid fuckin WIN buttons.
Nixon, (to the left of your non-correllated chart left of Ford) was where gas went from .389 to .589, and it didnt contribute in any meaninful way to HIS ouster.

when Ford took office gas was running about .589 a gallon, when he left .649 a gallon.

Other energy was inflating cost more due to deregulation, ineptitude in inflation was what done him in.

gas goes up .06 a gallon and a loaf of bread goes up a buck........

innumerate. irrational. fantasy.

So, how about that Obama's approval rating hah?  Or is that inflated because the congress has a 10%er?

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RE: President Obama's approval rating is back to 50% - 2/16/2012 4:15:38 PM   
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This will decline with rising (gas) prices, which are highly correlated with presidential approval ratings.


Could you please clear the air for some of us? WTF did you study at the big H?
I didn't think they HAD a school of cooked charts.
    It's kinda OBVIOUS that the creator of the chart would go to ANY LENGTH to equate Carter with Obama.
   Are we going to have to suffer through every half-assed character assassin that gets his hands on excel or open office calc that presents his or her self to you?



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RE: President Obama's approval rating is back to 50% - 2/16/2012 4:20:40 PM   
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RE: President Obama's approval rating is back to 50% - 2/16/2012 5:45:28 PM   
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your crayon needs sharpening
you are batting 0 with your "nickel" post and the "inflation" crap
At LEAST give a damn source FROM a reputable site, or be ignored AGAIN.


Now wait a second Lucy... If If fill my garage up with Nickels and wait 20 years, I'll be a millionaire three times over. Which'll probably mean I'll be able to afford a tank of good old republican gas!
Just Sayin'


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RE: President Obama's approval rating is back to 50% - 2/16/2012 5:51:18 PM   
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A little known fact. During the 70's, gas jumped to 2.50 a gallon. In todays money...

What cost $2.50 in 1975 would cost $10.02 in 2010.


Just for the record ....

Dude, I graduated highschool in 1977 and I gassed up Dad's Jag on prom night for less than $10.

The location was Newport, RI





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RE: President Obama's approval rating is back to 50% - 2/16/2012 5:55:28 PM   
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