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RE: Scot's Children believe women need a slap! - 7/5/2011 11:31:45 PM   
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To bring this back on topic, I will name one other famous woman- Francine Hughes.

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RE: Scot's Children believe women need a slap! - 7/6/2011 12:53:56 AM   
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Betray me and you are out the fucking door. I don't even offer slaps.

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RE: Scot's Children believe women need a slap! - 7/6/2011 7:14:26 AM   
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This have nothing to do with BDSM or submission, it have to do with a worrying attitude in society that violence towards women is somehow okey. Being a submissive is about consensual choice, one chooses to be in a relationship where another person have power over you, and some of those relationships also include a consensual choice that the Dominant party might use violence or physical punishments against the submissive party to correct misbehavior. The trend described in this article however has nothing to do with a consensual choice of lifestyle, these wives who are to be slapped for not having the tea done on time have not chosen this, instead violence is supposed to be okey, in these children's eyes, to do to woman just because they are women.

I also see it as extremely problematic that girls is not expected to have ambitions past being a housewife, at least not after they are married. I am not saying being a stay at home mother is a bad ambition, however one of the girls interviewed wanted to be a doctor or a dancer though the could not go for that as what was expected of her was to be a stay at home mother and perhaps work a little part time to help support her family, there is still allot of resistance, even in the West to women having career ambitions.

As for a certain movie star, since he is such a fan of hitting your parter if they are annoying, I wonder if he thinks it should go both ways, with the wife striking the husband if he will not let a point go also, or if it is only the man that should have the right to resort to violence when the parter do not act as expected.

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RE: Scot's Children believe women need a slap! - 7/6/2011 7:37:22 AM   
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First of all the lists given of women of merit in science are but a small fraction of them all. That being said in most of history no, women did not have the same opportunities to be recognized as men. We do not know if there where women as brilliant as for example Leonardo Da Vinci, do you know why? Because female inventors and painters where told to stop such foolishness and go back to being wives and mothers.

Now there have not been many matricidal societies, however you can not on one point say oh there have not been many societies where women have ruled and those that where was primitive, and then turn around and say oh but women have had the same opportunity as men, it is one or the other. Point is, even when a woman was the ruler in Europe and the rest of the West until modern time she was so because there where no male heirs to take her place, those societies where still patriarchies, women had no grater opportunities during the reigns of Queen Elisabeth the 1 or Queen Victoria than when there where a male monarch. One note on this however is that while there where only a small handful of female monarchs in Europe, their reigns where often famous for being times of great prosperity for their given nation, in other words two English Queens, Elisabeth and Victoria did better than quite a number of Kings combined.

It have only been in the modern era that women scientists have been allowed to actually take full participation in scientific life and there are more and more female scientists. I however do think that there will always be more female housewives and nurses than scientists, political leaders and so on, statistically the sexes are different and there is nothing wrong with that, what there is something wrong with is not recognizing the brilliance of the women who do work in science merely because they have boobs and a vagina, a person should be recognized due to their merits, not because of their sex.

Also why is the numbers of female scientists important in this debate. Let us say a woman want to take a traditional female path in life, and she becomes a wife and a mother and stay in the home caring for her family, what on the Goddess Earth make it alright to beat her and use violence against her? Why is it okey to hit someone who have dedicated their life to the care of others? It do not matter what percentage of women are leaders and scientists, or housewives and mothers it do not give anyone the right to use violence against us merely because of our sex.  I mean do you hate your own mother so much that you think it is okey to hit her for not having the dinner done on time even if she might not be a scientist?

I wish you well.


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RE: Scot's Children believe women need a slap! - 7/6/2011 7:39:35 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: nephandi

Greetings

First of all the lists given of women of merit in science are but a small fraction of them all. That being said in most of history no, women did not have the same opportunities to be recognized as men. We do not know if there where women as brilliant as for example Leonardo Da Vinci, do you know why? Because female inventors and painters where told to stop such foolishness and go back to being wives and mothers.

Now there have not been many matricidal societies, however you can not on one point say oh there have not been many societies where women have ruled and those that where was primitive, and then turn around and say oh but women have had the same opportunity as men, it is one or the other. Point is, even when a woman was the ruler in Europe and the rest of the West until modern time she was so because there where no male heirs to take her place, those societies where still patriarchies, women had no grater opportunities during the reigns of Queen Elisabeth the 1 or Queen Victoria than when there where a male monarch. One note on this however is that while there where only a small handful of female monarchs in Europe, their reigns where often famous for being times of great prosperity for their given nation, in other words two English Queens, Elisabeth and Victoria did better than quite a number of Kings combined.

It have only been in the modern era that women scientists have been allowed to actually take full participation in scientific life and there are more and more female scientists. I however do think that there will always be more female housewives and nurses than scientists, political leaders and so on, statistically the sexes are different and there is nothing wrong with that, what there is something wrong with is not recognizing the brilliance of the women who do work in science merely because they have boobs and a vagina, a person should be recognized due to their merits, not because of their sex.

Also why is the numbers of female scientists important in this debate. Let us say a woman want to take a traditional female path in life, and she becomes a wife and a mother and stay in the home caring for her family, what on the Goddess Earth make it alright to beat her and use violence against her? Why is it okey to hit someone who have dedicated their life to the care of others? It do not matter what percentage of women are leaders and scientists, or housewives and mothers it do not give anyone the right to use violence against us merely because of our sex.  I mean do you hate your own mother so much that you think it is okey to hit her for not having the dinner done on time even if she might not be a scientist?

I wish you well.



You do realise that Queen Victoria was a head of state not government and policy. I almost stopped reading then, but did at Goddess Earth.

I wish you well also.

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RE: Scot's Children believe women need a slap! - 7/6/2011 7:54:41 AM   
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So if I had been Christian and said Gods Earth then my post would be so much better but since I am Pagan my post do not count?

Victoria was head of state yes, however if you knew anything about the history of royalty in Europe you would know that during the 1800 the monarch still had an enormous amount of power and influence over the governing of a nation, however since you are a class A idiot I doubt you would know that.

I wish you well.


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RE: Scot's Children believe women need a slap! - 7/6/2011 8:13:28 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: nephandi

Greetings

So if I had been Christian and said Gods Earth then my post would be so much better but since I am Pagan my post do not count?

Victoria was head of state yes, however if you knew anything about the history of royalty in Europe you would know that during the 1800 the monarch still had an enormous amount of power and influence over the governing of a nation, however since you are a class A idiot I doubt you would know that.

I wish you well.



No, you're entitled to your belief as is anyone. I am entitled to find anything which does not stand up to experimental testing amusing and perhaps delusional, that includes both religion and string theory.

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