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RE: Giving up something you love for your Love. - 6/27/2011 1:40:08 AM   
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violet answering here ... i gave up control. That's what submission is about BUT ... the most important thing is who you give up that control to. Pick your Dom ultra carefully! Have long long discussions so you know if you and He are on similar wavelengths, what He is expecting to control, and what He is not. Also, i believe that if He is sensible, He shouldn't expect you to yield all right from the start, control should evolve over time as trust develops and is verified. This is a process that might take years.

There were things when we began that were given - my pets, (a Dom who loved pets too was an essential and dammit, now they love Him more than they love me!), and, at that stage, my location (in a house on a big property with a Dungeon shed ... so He willingly gave up His notion of a sub would come to Him ... and came to me ... which necessitated moving several thousand km across country, not a little move). my career was also a given ... though any changes were to be discussed with Him. i easily yielded control of clothes etc although He's not a micromanager so it was more a matter of a few easy rules. First main thing i yielded was the right to accept outside invitations without consulting Him. Never has He made me refuse anything 'just because He could' ... 99% of the time it's a yes, you can go, only very few times has He said no, for very good reasons. Four years in, i voluntarily yielded control of finances, having sold the big property which was co-owned with someone else, it made better sense for Him to buy the next house as being a first time owner, He got all sorts of govt incentives that i couldn't have got. Yes that was a tad scary at the time but never became an issue. Later i gave up musical control ... that was a big ask, i've been the leader of every other musical group ... but it worked once i did! So here we are, seven years together, not officially married but i've never felt more connected. i'm not sure whether there is anything else to yield ... maybe something will arise in the future ... but for us, this gradual yielding of control when i was ready to give it AND He was ready to receive it (something that subs often forget, it's a big deal for a Dom to take on more responsibility) ... has worked brilliantly.

As a Domme, I also don't see that there should be a prescribed list of ALL the things you'll have to give up when you meet a D ... I don't have one for any sub boy that I meet. I do have some givens, things he would have to agree to in order for a triad house to work ... obviously he'd have to be a petlover too, nonsmoker, willing to respect Master's role as Head of House, not expecting Me to share his bed overnight as I sleep with Master (however sex is definitely on the cards, not expecting nor wanting chastity ... and besides, with Master's charming descriptions of my snoring subby boy might be happy having his own room LOL!), and above all, he has to be willing to serve and be obedient because it's his point of joy to do so. I'm not expecting a sub to give up his job, friends, family, hobbies, interests etc ... but ultimately they would come under My umbrella of control. And control is very different from forced loss or sacrifice.

Hope that helps the OP.
Ma'am Jay aka violet[A]

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RE: Giving up something you love for your Love. - 6/27/2011 4:58:04 AM   
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just wanted to say it's nice to see you posting again, Ma'am!!

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RE: Giving up something you love for your Love. - 6/27/2011 5:58:02 AM   
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Thanks for writing Violet, your post gave me a instantaniously clear insight (with the insights, came to me as we had friends over this weekend) I am now fairly certain of a number of things.

Again thankyou.


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RE: Giving up something you love for your Love. - 6/27/2011 10:55:31 AM   
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"food for funk"?

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RE: Giving up something you love for your Love. - 6/27/2011 11:05:44 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

Wow...I haven't had to give up anything.
Quite the opposite. I've gained so much more because of him.



Hell YEA!!!

To those of you that feel your giving up something rather than gaining something... your in the wrong relationship

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RE: Giving up something you love for your Love. - 6/29/2011 11:06:26 PM   
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Suppose you're right SB.

quote:

i gave up control. That's what submission is about BUT ... the most important thing is who you give up that control to. Pick your Dom ultra carefully! Have long long discussions so you know if you and He are on similar wavelengths, what He is expecting to control, and what He is not. Also, i believe that if He is sensible, He shouldn't expect you to yield all right from the start, control should evolve over time as trust develops and is verified. This is a process that might take years.


I was ready for that, but it was overlooked and not accepted. Now I struggle.

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your in the wrong relationship


It hit me as a lightningstrike


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RE: Giving up something you love for your Love. - 6/30/2011 4:04:20 AM   
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I've given up a ton of things but I've gained oooooohhhhh so much more!!!!

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RE: Giving up something you love for your Love. - 6/30/2011 7:37:01 AM   
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I gave up being a vegetarian. Master is an avid hunter and even dating Him caused a lot of soul-searching and introspection. In the end He hated living in a veggie house and I started incorporating meat into my cooking. It did not work. I did it for almost a year and felt so dead spiritually, full of disgust and disappointment in myself that I went to Him and explained that I can't be a happy, self-respecting, spiritual person and consume flesh. We agreed that I need not ever cook meat, He will if He'd like to, and that I will focus more on my own spiritual path so I can take the lead in our family's spiritual education and practice. So, in the end it all came out alright, it was just a hard time in the middle.

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RE: Giving up something you love for your Love. - 7/1/2011 12:53:10 AM   
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i gave u wine master gave u smoking i gave u wearing trousers indoors and underwear indoors. but what i have gaind makes u for it 100 fold

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RE: Giving up something you love for your Love. - 7/1/2011 6:07:26 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

Wow...I haven't had to give up anything.
Quite the opposite. I've gained so much more because of him.

This
and
this
quote:

At the risk of sounding idealistic.....

I strongly believe that when two lovers sit down and talk, even at an apparent impasse, and agree to continue to talk until they find a solution mutually satisfying, that they will find such a resolution. I've seen it happen repeatedly.

But often people don't do that. They get to the perceived impasse, and decide something's gotta give, jumping right to loss and sacrifice. And sure, that's OK to a point...but it's not the best approach, and it all too often is the beginning of cracks in the relationship's foundation, as small but denied resentments creep in.

There are always more options. We just need to learn to look for them.



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