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willbeurdaddy -> RE: Reagan had Alzheimers while in office (1/15/2011 9:20:37 AM)

FR

And Blowboy is in the late stages of chronic stupidity. What else is new?




hlen5 -> RE: Reagan had Alzheimers while in office (1/15/2011 9:23:01 AM)

It wouldn't surprise me if he was showing signs of Azheimer's disease while in office. I remember a clip on tv watching Nancy prompt him on a statement he was making. It could have been seen as a momentary slip-up, we all have them. In light of his later diagnosis, it could be seen in another light.




mnottertail -> RE: Reagan had Alzheimers while in office (1/15/2011 9:24:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

FR

And Blowboy is in the late stages of chronic stupidity. What else is new?


Oh, some of the Minneapolis Airport gang of republicans have come out of the closet now?




pahunkboy -> RE: Reagan had Alzheimers while in office (1/15/2011 9:27:44 AM)

You can tell that Obama is cracking.  The posture of his legs gives clear signs of eaves dropping fatigue. 




BKSir -> RE: Reagan had Alzheimers while in office (1/15/2011 9:39:23 AM)

Sorry, but I'm sitting here thinking "This is news how?" No shit he was in the early stages of Alzheimers while in office. He couldn't recall if he was involved in selling arms in the Iran Contra affair. That's NOT something you just don't recall suddenly.




windchymes -> RE: Reagan had Alzheimers while in office (1/15/2011 9:44:45 AM)

Who's Reagan?




Hillwilliam -> RE: Reagan had Alzheimers while in office (1/15/2011 9:47:53 AM)

This news is only about 20+ years old.




pahunkboy -> RE: Reagan had Alzheimers while in office (1/15/2011 10:17:38 AM)

...and it is BULL SHIT- that he would have stepped down.   I mean get real!




rulemylife -> RE: Reagan had Alzheimers while in office (1/15/2011 3:38:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

You can tell that Obama is cracking.  The posture of his legs gives clear signs of eaves dropping fatigue. 


What?




rulemylife -> RE: Reagan had Alzheimers while in office (1/15/2011 3:41:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BKSir

Sorry, but I'm sitting here thinking "This is news how?" No shit he was in the early stages of Alzheimers while in office. He couldn't recall if he was involved in selling arms in the Iran Contra affair. That's NOT something you just don't recall suddenly.


Can we say lying?

Not that our honest politicians would ever do that sort of thing.




rulemylife -> RE: Reagan had Alzheimers while in office (1/15/2011 3:48:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

I think a son knows a father a lot more than other people know that father. I don't think it has been blown out of proportion. When I have seen Ron Reagan speak it has been honest and truthful....which is the problem for folks like you that want to put Reagan on a pedastal.


You have been around here long enough to know that I would never put Reagan on a pedestal, but I respected him a lot more than the little weasel he fathered.




rulemylife -> RE: Reagan had Alzheimers while in office (1/15/2011 3:55:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: EternalHoH

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

I think this has to be all taken in context.

Little Ronnie has made a career of being the son of Big Ronnie.

He has accomplished nothing on his own and has spent his life riding on Daddy's coattails.

Personally, I have always found him to be disgusting and this just reaffirms my view. 





That's right.  Attack the messenger because you don't like the message.





No, I'm attacking the messenger because he is a little pissant.

Let me ask you something, would you attack your father's reputation to make a few dollars?




TreasureKY -> RE: Reagan had Alzheimers while in office (1/15/2011 5:37:16 PM)

*yawn*  Reposted from over two years ago...

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Was that the same Reagan who had Alzheimers the last few years of his presidency? The guy that several of his cabinent have described as "not really there" during major talks about arms reduction teaties?

Just checking...


President Reagan was 77 years old when he left office in 1989.  It was five years later, in 1994, when he disclosed that he had been diagnosed with Alzheimer’s.  It was a further ten years after that before he passed away from pneumonia.

Considering the clinical stages of Alheimer's and that studies indicate that a typical 70 year old American man newly diagnosed with Alzheimer’s has a life expectancy of 4.4 years, it's doubtful that President Reagan was suffering severe "not really there" symptoms of Alzheimer’s while in office fifteen years prior to his death.

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Did Reagan have Alzheimer's disease in office?

Yes and no. Without a doubt, he was on his way to getting the disease, which develops over many years. But it is equally clear that there was not yet nearly enough decline in function to support even a tentative diagnosis. Reagan's mind was well within the realm of normal functioning. Even if his doctors had been looking intently for Alzheimer's, it is still likely that they would not have been able to detect the disease-in-progress.

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How do you feel Mr. Reagan's Alzheimer's impacted his ability to perform his duty towards the end of his presidency?

"There is no evidence that Reagan had Alzheimer's Disease during his presidency. When he made his public announcement about the diseases in 1994, many of his critics exchanged meaningful glances, as if to say, "We knew he had it all along." And there are times toward the end of Reagan's presidency when he seemed forgetful. But these were probably due to the natural effects of the aging process. Remember that Reagan was 55 years old when he first ran for political office and 69 when he was elected president in 1980. Moreover, few people have more regular medical examinations than presidents and the various doctors who checked Reagan out thoroughly found no evidence of Alzheimer's Disease during his presidential tenure."

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Just when the Alzheimer's began can never be known. But while the line between mere forgetfulness and the beginning of Alzheimer's can be fuzzy, a matter of gradation, Mr. Reagan's four main White House doctors say they saw no evidence that he had crossed it as President. They saw and spoke with him daily in the White House, they said, and beyond the natural failings of age never found his memory, reasoning or judgment to be significantly impaired.

Mr. Reagan ''absolutely'' did not ''show any signs of dementia or Alzheimer's,'' said Dr. John E. Hutton Jr., who cared for him from 1984 until the end of his Presidency and remains a close family friend. Extensive mental-status tests did not indicate evidence of Alzheimer's until 1993, more than four years after Mr. Reagan left office, Dr. Hutton said.

Even in hindsight, Mr. Reagan's friends and former aides said that they, too, had seen no hint of the deterioration to come. And while they acknowledged that he had occasional memory lapses as President, especially when it came to names, many said he had had these problems for years, certainly since he was Governor of California, from 1967 to 1974.

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Did Ronald Reagan have Alzheimer’s Disease while he was President?

Dr Larry Altman, who was a Senior Medical columnist for the New York Times, once looked into this question and was…

“…unable to find any evidence by any medical criteria that is known to the medical profession that Mr Regan had any symptoms or signs of Alzheimer’s when he was President.”

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Norman Swan: Fine. Now you've looked at the health of Ronald Reagan in some depth; what did you discover when you looked at it?

Larry Altman: I was unable to find any evidence by any medical criteria that is known to the medical profession that Mr Regan had any symptoms or signs of Alzheimer's when he was President. The signs and symptoms developed several years after he left office, but interviews with senior Cabinet officials in his last term, with his doctors who treated him on a regular basis, and other people who knew him, could turn up no evidence that there was any incidence or incidents that suggested that he had Alzheimer's. And even his biographer didn't find any evidence of it.







sirsholly -> RE: Reagan had Alzheimers while in office (1/15/2011 5:50:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

Little Ronnie has made a career of being the son of Big Ronnie.




Not that he couldn't get by on those striking good looks.

chia* (the pet)

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dcnovice -> RE: Reagan had Alzheimers while in office (1/15/2011 6:08:09 PM)

FR

In 1987, Barbara Ehrenreich wrote a piece called "The Unfastened Head of State" about awareness "that the president was not all there, out to lunch, or--as we have learned to put it delicately--cognitively impaired."

Two years later, in a review of Mrs. Reagan's memoir, Barbara Ehrenreich refers to "that great mystery of the eighties--when President Reagan's mind unwrapped and who or what filled in for it." She mentions that Reagan may have been in "the prodromal phase of Alzheimer's."

Trained in biology and daughter of an Alzheimer's patient, Ehrenreich may have been paying more careful attention than some of the rest of us.




Lucylastic -> RE: Reagan had Alzheimers while in office (1/15/2011 6:42:27 PM)

I sure as hell now dont remember who broke the news in the UK but it was well known/commented on a lot,  Spitting image had several skits about it. and that was mid 80s.





Hillwilliam -> RE: Reagan had Alzheimers while in office (1/15/2011 7:10:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: EternalHoH

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

I think this has to be all taken in context.

Little Ronnie has made a career of being the son of Big Ronnie.

He has accomplished nothing on his own and has spent his life riding on Daddy's coattails.

Personally, I have always found him to be disgusting and this just reaffirms my view. 





That's right.  Attack the messenger because you don't like the message.





No, I'm attacking the messenger because he is a little pissant.

Let me ask you something, would you attack your father's reputation to make a few dollars?


In Hollywood and Washington, DC, they would not only attack their father's reputation for a few bucks, they would eat his spleen while he was still alive.




defiantbadgirl -> RE: Reagan had Alzheimers while in office (1/15/2011 8:27:15 PM)

I'm not surprised. He said trees polute the air. When I mentioned this to my stepmother (a republican), she agreed with him saying birds sit in trees and shit, therefore, trees polute the air. My grandmother and I had a good laugh over that.




tazzygirl -> RE: Reagan had Alzheimers while in office (1/15/2011 10:51:39 PM)

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Considering the clinical stages of Alheimer's and that studies indicate that a typical 70 year old American man newly diagnosed with Alzheimer’s has a life expectancy of 4.4 years, it's doubtful that President Reagan was suffering severe "not really there" symptoms of Alzheimer’s while in office fifteen years prior to his death.




Alzheimer's worsens over time. Alzheimer's is a progressive disease, where symptoms gradually worsen over a number of years. In its early stages, memory loss is mild, but with late-stage Alzheimer's, individuals lose the ability to carry on a conversation and respond to their environment. Alzheimer's is the sixth leading cause of death in the United States. Those with Alzheimer's live an average of eight years after their symptoms become noticeable to others, but survival can range from three to 20 years, depending on age and other health conditions.

http://www.alz.org/alzheimers_disease_what_is_alzheimers.asp

About Alzheimer's
Life Expectancy
Alzheimer's disease typically progress over two to 20 years, and individuals live on average for eight to 10 years from diagnosis.

http://www.alzfdn.org/AboutAlzheimers/lifeexpectancy.html

From what i can find, it is possible he was suffering from the stages of the disease while in office. Though, how deeply into the stages, we dont know.




TreasureKY -> RE: Reagan had Alzheimers while in office (1/16/2011 1:22:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Considering the clinical stages of Alheimer's and that studies indicate that a typical 70 year old American man newly diagnosed with Alzheimer’s has a life expectancy of 4.4 years, it's doubtful that President Reagan was suffering severe "not really there" symptoms of Alzheimer’s while in office fifteen years prior to his death.

... From what i can find, it is possible he was suffering from the stages of the disease while in office. Though, how deeply into the stages, we dont know.


Please take note of the bolded portion of my quote.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Those with Alzheimer's live an average of eight years after their symptoms become noticeable to others


Reagan passed away 15 years after he left the office of President.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

... but survival can range from three to 20 years, depending on age and other health conditions.


Reagan was 77 years old at the time he left office.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Alzheimer's disease typically progress over two to 20 years, and individuals live on average for eight to 10 years from diagnosis.


Reagan passed away 10 years after he was diagnosed, and 15 years after having left office.

Tazzy, if your intent was to post information contradictory to mine, I believe you missed the mark.  Everything you posted supports what I have asserted... that it is far more likely that any of  President Reagan's behavior demonstrating poor memory and alertness was due to his advanced age and not to symptoms of Alzheimer's disease.




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