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RE: lethal dose of the anti-depressant Effexor - 11/27/2010 12:35:23 PM   
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Please read aloud to me the title of this thread?

Maybe you should read the article instead.

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RE: lethal dose of the anti-depressant Effexor - 11/27/2010 4:06:23 PM   
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RE: lethal dose of the anti-depressant Effexor - 11/27/2010 4:11:32 PM   
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RE: lethal dose of the anti-depressant Effexor - 11/27/2010 4:13:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

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ORIGINAL: Rule
Please read aloud to me the title of this thread?

Maybe you should read the article instead.


Neat, it rymes

now I'll give it a shot,

either way, a poor girl is now dead
maybe we should look at the Whole issue at hand,drugs and situation
before we loose our heads

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RE: lethal dose of the anti-depressant Effexor - 11/27/2010 4:22:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've been on one antidepressant or another for over ten years. I come from a lovely three-generation legacy of depression. In fact, my sweet father killed himself in '95. Some people think antidepressants are the Devil and some people swear by them. I can only speak for myself; I spent my entire life trying to force myself through my days, wishing that I was dead more often than not. The first time the SSRI's kicked in, when my husband finally sought help for me ten years ago, was literally the FIRST TIME in my life that I felt what it must be to be 'normal', i.e.; not wanting to kill myself daily.

You can kill yourself with Tylenol, you can kill yourself with antidepressants, you can kill yourself jumping off a bridge or shooting yourself in the head. I have no doubt that Effexor was her method-of-choice, but it's also helped a lot of other people.

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RE: lethal dose of the anti-depressant Effexor - 11/27/2010 4:30:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh I'm sure it helps alota people balance out their brain chemicals
but this gal didn't seem to have a chemical imbalance, it seemed to be induced by her ordeal, so why would any one prescribe her something that could be lethal?not saying she couldn't find some other way to do herself in,just find it a lil ironic that a doctor would prescribe something like this to her in this particular case.

but hell, who am I to say what they shoulda done, I'm just a clown
just saw some irony, you know


kinda feel we're playing some sort of morbid arm chair quarterback here

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RE: lethal dose of the anti-depressant Effexor - 11/27/2010 4:56:21 PM   
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I know your not looking for sympathy but I for one couldn't help but be moved by your post. Your a survivor of depression and its people like you we should be listening to.

It's no good people saying, 'well I took this drug and I was ok' because that is only relevant to them. Depression is such a complex illness and the treatment of it including the drugs response differs for everyone.

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RE: lethal dose of the anti-depressant Effexor - 11/27/2010 5:15:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		a person can overdose with ANY medication, doesn't matter wtf it is, too much is no good. the fact that many of you were more concerned about effexor as a means to overdose rather than the girl's rape and suicide and the lack of public outrage over it really makes me pissed off. wtf are you thinking? i haven't read all the responses, i'm just in disbelief. a girl is allegedly raped and commits suicide, the man who did it may be getting away with it because of a stupid child's game he participates in and you're concerned about the use of effexor! i've read alot of bullshit on these boards, but dayum!


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RE: lethal dose of the anti-depressant Effexor - 11/27/2010 5:20:19 PM   
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a person can overdose with ANY medication, doesn't matter wtf it is, too much is no good. the fact that many of you were more concerned about effexor as a means to overdose rather than the girl's rape and suicide and the lack of public outrage over it really makes me pissed off. wtf are you thinking? i haven't read all the responses, i'm just in disbelief. a girl is allegedly raped and commits suicide, the man who did it may be getting away with it because of a stupid child's game he participates in and you're concerned about the use of effexor! i've read alot of bullshit on these boards, but dayum!





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RE: lethal dose of the anti-depressant Effexor - 11/27/2010 5:26:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DamnPickyDomme
The fact that many of you were more concerned about effexor as a means to overdose rather than the girl's rape and suicide and the lack of public outrage over it really makes me pissed off. wtf are you thinking?

I will reiterate the first words of my first response to the OP:
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That is sad and a loss.


The death of that girl in my opinion was a waste.

I cannot do anything about rape or its prevention and how it is handled, especially as far as it concerns one single dead person: those are sociological and religious issues. All I can say is "Stop circumcision".

On the other hand nearly all USA citizens appear to be on and even addicted to anti-depressants. I deem that to be an unhealthy and in most cases unwarranted situation. I am concerned about all those still living tens of millions of people that abuse and are abused by antidepressants.

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RE: lethal dose of the anti-depressant Effexor - 11/27/2010 7:54:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		My mother is taking Zoloft.   I recently found this out when she just sorta blurted out one day that she was back on her "happy pills".  I never realized that she had a first round with them.  This took me back a bit, my family had never been one to take mood elevators, or any type of mental drugs.  Mom is 51 this year.  She lost her little sister to cancer in Feburary.  My brother got married in March and divorced not four months later. 

My brother still lives at home, but works nights.  My father seems to constantly stay out of town due to work, no unfaithfulness, trust me, if you knew my mother and father you would understand how laughable that concept would be.  The point is my father is not always at the house.  I dont know if this is playing a part in her "depression" or not.  My father was in the Navy for 20 plus years, normal come and go of a seaman.  At the end he was stationed across the country, the last 18 years we had been in once place so my dad went to Washington state alone for four years, but my brother and I were still in school and were around for mom.

I live next door to my parents.  I dont talk with my mother everyday, maybe once a week.  My wife and I stay pretty busy with work and school.  Both houses are on a five acre parcel, so we are not "on top" of each other, but close by.  My mother is no recluse by any stretch.  She has friends, stays active, has a job at the school.  She "babysits" the bad kids in a public school.  Something that she has only been doing for the last 2 or 3 years.  She has some real horror stories about these rejects.  These kids seem to be very taxing on a person.  All the kids that the teachers cant handle get thrown into one room with one person to supervise, while that same person has to run copies of school work for all of the teachers in the school.

I guess after I sit back and look at the facts, it shouldnt be that hard to see that my mother might be depressed.  But what should I do?  Where do I start?  How can I help?

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RE: lethal dose of the anti-depressant Effexor - 11/27/2010 8:00:55 PM   
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You can help your mother the most by being present in her life.  Visiting her, listening to her, stifling any judgement you may have regarding medication/illness.  Being supportive and helpful.


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RE: lethal dose of the anti-depressant Effexor - 11/27/2010 11:51:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MrKicia
My mother is taking Zoloft.   I recently found this out when she just sorta blurted out one day that she was back on her "happy pills".

I guess after I sit back and look at the facts, it shouldnt be that hard to see that my mother might be depressed.  But what should I do?  Where do I start?  How can I help?

These cases are all complex and very personal. This is you talking with your perspective on the case, which may very well be valid, but your mother's perspective may differ. Only she can tell what drives her and what her lacks are and what her possibilities. The good news is that she is not a recluse.

She may have been hit by menopause and perchance that has affected her state of mind, in which case hormones might serve her better than the drug. Depression and its medical causes is not in my areas of expertise, though I have written about it in association with chronic diseases.

In general it is my impression that medication results in more medical problems and ought to be avoided whenever possible. In individual cases, though, medication might be required.

Physicians and psychiatrists unfortunately appear to have been Pavlov-trained to prescribe medication instead of as root problem solvers.

You might ask her: "Can I help?" Perhaps also it is an option for her to consult different counselors.

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RE: lethal dose of the anti-depressant Effexor - 11/28/2010 3:54:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ORIGINAL: DamnPickyDomme
The fact that many of you were more concerned about effexor as a means to overdose rather than the girl's rape and suicide and the lack of public outrage over it really makes me pissed off. wtf are you thinking?

I will reiterate the first words of my first response to the OP:
quote:

That is sad and a loss.


The death of that girl in my opinion was a waste.

I cannot do anything about rape or its prevention and how it is handled, especially as far as it concerns one single dead person: those are sociological and religious issues. All I can say is "Stop circumcision".

On the other hand nearly all USA citizens appear to be on and even addicted to anti-depressants. I deem that to be an unhealthy and in most cases unwarranted situation. I am concerned about all those still living tens of millions of people that abuse and are abused by antidepressants.


The story IS the effexxor OD.   Not the   rape assault...    outrage would do what?  Bring her back to life?   HA!

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RE: lethal dose of the anti-depressant Effexor - 11/28/2010 5:29:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		This young lady should have been receiving therapy along with the anti-depressants. Also, Im surprised the institution is protecting this punk, even if he is a football player.

Myself... due to years of drug and alcohol abuse, as well as the abuse that has been inflicted on me by others, I am currently taking Prozac. I am also having therapy sessions with a councilor on a weekly basis. Ironically, it's called CBT (not what you think, perverts ): Cognative Behavioral Therapy. Basically, its changing your thought patterns. I literally find myself stopping myself in the middle of a depressing thought and replacing it with a happy one.

My point is, between the prozac and therapy, I am doing better in my life. I would most likely be dead without both of them. Most people dont seem to get that having both the meds and the therapy is the proper and most helpful way to go.

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RE: lethal dose of the anti-depressant Effexor - 11/28/2010 7:16:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PyrotheClown

Oh I'm sure it helps alota people balance out their brain chemicals
but this gal didn't seem to have a chemical imbalance, it seemed to be induced by her ordeal, so why would any one prescribe her something that could be lethal?not saying she couldn't find some other way to do herself in,just find it a lil ironic that a doctor would prescribe something like this to her in this particular case.

but hell, who am I to say what they shoulda done, I'm just a clown
just saw some irony, you know


kinda feel we're playing some sort of morbid arm chair quarterback here


Again, we don't know when she began taking the effexor.
She may have been on it prior to her rape.

Also, sometimes when someone experiences a traumatic event it does make one's neurochemistry get off balance and in that case an antidepressant could be very appropriate treatment.

So to recap: we don't know what symptoms she was presenting and we don't know when she actually began taking the effexor.


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RE: lethal dose of the anti-depressant Effexor - 11/28/2010 7:22:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: YSG

This young lady should have been receiving therapy along with the anti-depressants.



She was YSG.
From the first post which was snipped from the article:

"...rape crisis volunteers who knew she had missed a counseling session found her barely breathing in her dorm room."

Btw, I am very glad you have found something that is working for you.
Very, very glad.

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RE: lethal dose of the anti-depressant Effexor - 11/28/2010 8:03:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks Katy and Rule.  Yes my mother has went through the big "pause", she took hormone meds and the like, cant say I was truly interested in knowing every detail of that process.  That was back in her mid to late 40's.  You are right this is only my perspective on the situation.  I dont know for sure what is bothering her.  I do know that she did site her sister and my brothers divorce when we briefly talked after she told me she was on meds.  Are those the only two problems or are there more?  I dont know, I guess I need to talk with her and get up to speed.

I did read the Zoloft page and it stressed children and young adults were usually hit with suicidal thoughts, that put a little relief in my head.

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RE: lethal dose of the anti-depressant Effexor - 11/28/2010 10:24:17 AM   
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RE: lethal dose of the anti-depressant Effexor - 11/28/2010 12:09:11 PM   
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a person can overdose with ANY medication, doesn't matter wtf it is, too much is no good. the fact that many of you were more concerned about effexor as a means to overdose rather than the girl's rape and suicide and the lack of public outrage over it really makes me pissed off. wtf are you thinking? i haven't read all the responses, i'm just in disbelief. a girl is allegedly raped and commits suicide, the man who did it may be getting away with it because of a stupid child's game he participates in and you're concerned about the use of effexor! i've read alot of bullshit on these boards, but dayum!


Actually the post was about everything leading up to that girls death, including the taking of anti-depressants.
No amount of sympathy for her ordeal will bring her back but more importantly, no amount of sympathy and shock, horror or disgust will help a single person that has been raped, is raped in the future or successfully kills themselves over that incident.
Speaking about the possible dangers of anti-depressants COULD on the other hand, be helpful to someone who just happens to be reading this and so the reason SOME of us have talked mainly about our concerns of anti-depressants and there possible missuse, is because we can reach out to the living.
As sad a case as this may be and however sad or appauled we may feel about it, I don't believe the reason for this thread being started was for each poster to express there horror. 

I could spend my entire day expressing shock, horror and disgust at many things. I often read articles that leave me feeling emotionally exhausted and frustrated. Frustrated because theres actually nothing I can do to help, nothing I can do to change what has already happened. If you have ever been to a therapist and told them about the dispicable things that happened to you, they don't sit there crying and telling you how awful it makes them feel. They don't sit with their mouths open or get angry towards your abusers. What they actuallly do is look at a way of dealing with things.
As far as I know, none of the posters here are therapists but what some of them have done is offered caution on anti-depressants and hope for those suffering from depression and suicidal thoughts.
You on the other hand have come on here to seriously knock those people and outwardly accused people like myself of not showing enough emotion.
My friend killed herself with anti-depressants. It was me that found her body, me that went through the years of guilt because I wasn't there for her when she really needed me. Eventually I understood that my guilt and my grief wasn't helping me or anyone else but my experience could perhaps help and understand living people that are suffereing from depression and suicidal thoughts. That is why I wrote the posts I did. What was the point of your post?


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