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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/6/2010 5:55:04 AM   
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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/6/2010 6:27:19 AM   
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I am opposed to making people suffer.

I am also opposed to prison and labor sentences.

Either make a convict pay and / or compensate for his crime, or offer him a chance to regain honor by one or more battles to the death against other convicts; the stadium and broadcast proceeds would then serve to pay or compensate for the crime.

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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/6/2010 6:28:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Careful servant, Van Sloot hasn't been convicted yet Not that I think he is innocent but there hasn't been a trial yet let alone a conviction.

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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/6/2010 6:31:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		If they had just excuted her like she was sentenced in court for her crimes then this would be a none issue for her.

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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/6/2010 6:41:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		A life sentence should end when the prisoners life ends..... in prison. Age doesn't play any role in my thinking on this.
Personally, I think all life sentences for pre meditated murder should be life without the possibility of parole.

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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/6/2010 8:47:46 AM   
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People make choices, they should be held accountable for the consequences. They were sentenced to death, if the political agenda had not changed some of them might already be gone by now, and this parole thing would not be an issue.

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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/6/2010 9:02:16 AM   
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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/6/2010 9:05:48 AM   
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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/6/2010 9:09:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Rule

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I am opposed to making people suffer.

I am also opposed to prison and labor sentences.

Either make a convict pay and / or compensate for his crime, or offer him a chance to regain honor by one or more battles to the death against other convicts; the stadium and broadcast proceeds would then serve to pay or compensate for the crime.


Interesting take....

Climates change and quite frankly how long should the punishment be when a sub is simply listening following her Dom?

At this point is Van Houten a continued menace to society? Probably not. At what point is justice served?

How vindictive are we? If she is no longer a threat why place anymore costs on the citizens to house or kill her?

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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/6/2010 10:02:37 AM   
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how long should the punishment be when a sub is simply listening following her Dom?


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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/6/2010 10:07:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rule

FR

I am opposed to making people suffer.

I am also opposed to prison and labor sentences.

Either make a convict pay and / or compensate for his crime, or offer him a chance to regain honor by one or more battles to the death against other convicts; the stadium and broadcast proceeds would then serve to pay or compensate for the crime.


Interesting take....

Climates change and quite frankly how long should the punishment be when a sub is simply listening following her Dom?

At this point is Van Houten a continued menace to society? Probably not. At what point is justice served?

How vindictive are we? If she is no longer a threat why place anymore costs on the citizens to house or kill her?



I agree, but the reality is the highly publicized criminals get sentenced harder and parole is less likely.

Welcome to the world of the law as determined by politics.

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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/6/2010 12:44:43 PM   
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One of them has already died in prison. I can't remember which one of them it was, but she had terminal cancer, and they wouldn't even release her to die at home.

Her name was Susan Atkins a/k/a Sadie Mae Glutz..........luci



Thank you, luci. Her name was escaping me.

While I do feel that they should all die in prison, I have to admit having felt a twinge of compassion because she was so ill, and so obviously down to her last days. It wouldn't have mattered where she died. But on principle, well, I think it was "right" to keep her in prison.

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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/6/2010 12:54:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Even if we think of it as being vindictive, and even if she is no longer a menace to society, I would bet my kingdom that the families of those she butchered still have nitemares about it and wake up screaming in the middle of the night sometimes and just when they think they have adjusted, the pain comes back as if it happened yesterday like a mule kicking them in the gut.

It would be cruel and unfair to the families to allow any of these folks to get out of prison.

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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/6/2010 12:57:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		From what I have been able to find out, the only Manson family member who was recommended for parole had his parole recommendation rejected by the governor.

None have been paroled and none should be.


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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/6/2010 6:53:08 PM   
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or offer him a chance to regain honor by one or more battles to the death against other convicts; the stadium and broadcast proceeds would then serve to pay or compensate for the crime.


Wow!   What an original idea!  I like that WAY better than just putting someone to sleep, but the other end of that is what if they survive and get back out to do more of the same?  I guess that time put them to sleep?  Until the person has had some kind of help to help them not commit the crime again, I don't think that they will stop or they will always suffer with their desire to commit the act. 

However, someone made a point on another thread on the death penalty about innocent people being convicted.  They suggested giving people a choice whether to be executed or serve out a life sentence.  That way, if the person is innocent, they can choose to live and appeal.  If a person is guilty and doesn't want to serve a life sentence, they have an out. 


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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/6/2010 7:40:47 PM   
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Interesting take....

Climates change and quite frankly how long should the punishment be when a sub is simply listening following her Dom?

At this point is Van Houten a continued menace to society? Probably not. At what point is justice served?

How vindictive are we? If she is no longer a threat why place anymore costs on the citizens to house or kill her?


It's the same reason we don't just take away someone like Burny Madoff's abilty to keep robbing people, we punish them. One they have it coming. She isn't behind bars because she is a menace to society, she is behind bars because no matter how long she is in jail it won't pay for what she did. Those people will be dead and missed, that baby Ms. Tate was caring will never get to draw a breath. I hope she found her soul again and feels horrible for what she did, but she still did it. Two she is a warning to others who would do this type of thing. If we let her off easy what's to stop the next crazy person from doing this?

Do a lot of other convicts get off with too little and get parole because there story didn't get as much media attention? Sure; all day everyday. That doesn't mean that she should get out it means they should be in there with her.

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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/6/2010 8:20:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Update, Van Houten was denied parole for the 19th time.
It appears, she will not be up for parole again for at least 3 years.
 
I agree with the majority that have posted here, that life should mean life,
unless new evidence is uncovered.
 
I would like to add that with the increasing numbers of life sentences that are being
given, that we will soon have an extremely large geriatric population of prisoners.

Van Houten is involved with working with the older prison population, they call themselves the "Golden Girls".
I guess she knows she will be a "Golden Girl" soon.
Maybe, we should build some prisons that are similar to nursing homes specifically
designed for prisoners over 65?


Manson follower denied parole for 19th time

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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/6/2010 8:27:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Age should never be a factor. Regardless of age, that individual committed a crime. Hell, I say punish the parents if the offender is under age. They obviously failed in their job.

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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/6/2010 8:31:03 PM   
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Age should never be a factor. Regardless of age, that individual committed a crime. Hell, I say punish the parents if the offender is under age. They obviously failed in their job.


Tough crowd!
Punish the parents if the offender is under age?
I would love to see a thread on that topic.

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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/6/2010 10:34:21 PM   
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Amazon.com: The Long Prison Journey of Leslie van Houten: Life Beyond the Cult (The Northeastern Series on Gender, Crime, and Law) : Karlene Faith: Books

In her narrative, Faith evokes the vanished world of hippie idealism that became twisted into Manson's poisonous ideology, and writes persuasively about collisions between gender, countercultural extremes and the criminal justice system. However, her reliance on psychological explanations of the Family's rituals and crimes, and her clear editorial eagerness to absolve the Manson women, may leave some readers unmoved by her argument that it is time for Van Houten to be paroled.

http://www.amazon.com/Long-Prison-Journey-Leslie-Houten/dp/1555534813

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