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Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? Van ... - 7/5/2010 8:31:56 PM   
Marini


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Status: offline 		I have always been fascinated by Charles Manson and his followers.
Leslie Van Houten was 19 years old and the youngest member of the Manson family,
when she was convicted of murder and conspiracy, for her participation in the LaBianca's murder, shortly after the Sharon-Tate murders.
 
Initially, Van Houten was sentenced to death along with the other members of the Manson family.
Later their sentences were reduced to life in prison.
Should a life sentence ALWAYS mean a life sentence?

By all accounts, Van Houten has been a model prisoner for 41 years, and she is hoping to be paroled.
I am torn on this one, the fact that she was 19 when she was involved in the murders is an issue.
On the other hand, shouldn't you be accountable for your actions, even at the age of 19?
Do you think Leslie Van Houten, should be given parole?

By the way, this is Leslie's 19th time in front of the parole board.
Leslie has been trying to get out for almost 20 years.

Manson follower faces parole board for 19th time - U.S. news - msnbc.com

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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/5/2010 8:32:58 PM   
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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/5/2010 8:34:42 PM   
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Life in prison should mean death in prison. Period.


Thanks for not mencing words!

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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/5/2010 9:14:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Marini

I have always been fascinated by Charles Manson and his followers.
Leslie Van Houten was 19 years old and the youngest member of the Manson family,
when she was convicted of murder and conspiracy, for her participation in the LaBianca's murder, shortly after the Sharon-Tate murders.
 
Initially, Van Houten was sentenced to death along with the other members of the Manson family.
Later their sentences were reduced to life in prison.
Should a life sentence ALWAYS mean a life sentence?

By all accounts, Van Houten has been a model prisoner for 41 years, and she is hoping to be paroled.
I am torn on this one, the fact that she was 19 when she was involved in the murders is an issue.
On the other hand, shouldn't you be accountable for your actions, even at the age of 19?
Do you think Leslie Van Houten, should be given parole?

By the way, this is Leslie's 19th time in front of the parole board.
Leslie has been trying to get out for almost 20 years.

Manson follower faces parole board for 19th time - U.S. news - msnbc.com



Life in prison for the brutal premeditated murders of innocent people should always be Death Row, when proven beyond a reasonable doubt. However there is the Legal System that defends criminals and in many cases get the original sentences amended. In this case though clearly the risk of possible parole is far reaching and surely not beneficial for society to have any these Manson Cultist re-enter into any neighborhood in the U.S.A..

I say that the perfect life long residence for people like Manson or any of his Cult followers, who have proven what they do when allowed to dwell among society, unequivocally in each and every instance is PRISON. IMO the barometer in this case is: Would you willingly and peacefully sleep while having any of these Manson Cultist murderers in your home as a guest if they were paroled?

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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/5/2010 9:19:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		yes life in prison should mean life in prison.....and life in prison should not include television and gyms and recreation....they are supposed to be receiving punishment for what they have done....they made the decision to not live by society's mores and so, therefore, they forfeit all the benefits of a free society.....i sound heartless i know and i am sure someone will tell me that prisons should be used to their fullest to rehabilitate.....that may be true for first time, very light offenders....but even with them, the sentence imposed should be the sentence served...period!

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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/5/2010 9:22:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you for an interesting post Zevar.
 
I don't think that Van Housten should be paroled, I was wondering
if the fact she was 19 when she was convicted should be a factor.
 
She certainly has had an interesting life, and is trying hard to get out
of prison.
The media has usually made Van Housten seem like the poor little middle class
girl that took a dreadful wrong turn in life. 

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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/5/2010 9:59:47 PM   
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Thank you for an interesting post Zevar.
 
I don't think that Van Housten should be paroled, I was wondering
if the fact she was 19 when she was convicted should be a factor.
 
She certainly has had an interesting life, and is trying hard to get out
of prison.
The media has usually made Van Housten seem like the poor little middle class
girl that took a dreadful wrong turn in life. 


Greetings Marini:

I agree that Van Houten should remain incarcerated. Your point regarding the media is unfortunately accurate. The competitiveness of Journalism at times sideswipes itself with a form of political correctness that when re-examined is not the correct position to claim at all. Nonetheless the subject of Disadvantaged Youth Syndrome does hold merit in some cases. Not in this case though for sure.

The crime committed by Van Houten was brutally executed with a willingness to obey her murderous urges. Van Houten willfully stabbed her victim, the late Rosemary LaBianca, 16 times. I fail to see where there is a valid issue of Disadvantaged Youth Syndrome in the case of Van Houten. Even then if Disadvantaged Youth Syndrome is merited it remains: Do the Crime, Do the Time. Van Houten clearly needs to remain incarcerated in the California Institution for Woman in Chino, California. Society is clearly safer with Van Houten remaining incarcerated until her natural or otherwise demise.

Thank you Marini for a thought provoking topic.

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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/5/2010 10:12:03 PM   
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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/5/2010 10:18:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		This case was just too big, too infamous, and too gruesome. There is too much protest from the family members who have diligently appeared and fought against their release every time the possibility comes up.

One of them has already died in prison. I can't remember which one of them it was, but she had terminal cancer, and they wouldn't even release her to die at home.

I'm surprised any of them even bother to beg for freedom time after time in front of the parole board anymore. It's never going to be granted. Manson himself doesn't even bother trying anymore when he's up for his parole hearings. They're all going to die behind bars.

I doubt Van Houten is a threat to society at this point, but still she did what she did, and what she did was take lives, brutally and barbarically. She belongs in a cage for the rest of her life, just like the others.

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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/5/2010 10:22:37 PM   
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yes life in prison should mean life in prison.....and life in prison should not include television and gyms and recreation....they are supposed to be receiving punishment for what they have done....they made the decision to not live by society's mores and so, therefore, they forfeit all the benefits of a free society.....i sound heartless i know and i am sure someone will tell me that prisons should be used to their fullest to rehabilitate.....that may be true for first time, very light offenders....but even with them, the sentence imposed should be the sentence served...period!


I disagree. You don't sound heartless. Murderers, rapists, drug pushers, child molesters... they get free room, board, education, health care, clothing. I get... uh... none of the above. I say, send them to some god forsaken hell hole and make them work their asses off until they drop from exhaustion, give them some fluids, something to eat, kick them in the ass and send them back to work.

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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/6/2010 4:35:56 AM   
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Would you willingly and peacefully sleep while having any of these Manson Cultist murderers in your home as a guest if they were paroled?


Yes, I think I could sleep just fine is she was released and wanted to spend the night. I honestly doubt there would be a problem.

To the OP. I would probably let her out, but I didn't know any of the people who were killed. I imagine the victims families are not going to be so forgiving.


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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/6/2010 4:42:02 AM   
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I still think she should stay in for life. It isn't about forgiveness, it is about punishment.

Actions have consequences. Why should she be able to enjoy whatever is left of her life?

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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/6/2010 5:03:10 AM   
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One of them has already died in prison. I can't remember which one of them it was, but she had terminal cancer, and they wouldn't even release her to die at home.

Her name was Susan Atkins a/k/a Sadie Mae Glutz..........luci

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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/6/2010 5:06:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Leslie and the rest of them have gotten 41 more years than their victims got.

Just because the death penalty got taken off the table doesn't give her the right to ever breathe free air again.  She should be thankful to not have worms living in her eye sockets.

And I am sure she is not the same person she was back then.  Hell, who is?  I had to pay for my mistakes when I was a dumbass teen, and so must she.  Thankfully, I never felt the need to listen to some wacko jesus lookin dude and go butcher people.



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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/6/2010 5:08:31 AM   
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I don't think that Van Housten should be paroled, I was wondering
if the fact she was 19 when she was convicted should be a factor.


I have to agree with this.  She was 19 yrs old. 

Other than that, this is why I'm for the death penalty.  I think it is far more inhumane to keep a person in prison for the entirety of their life.  However, I think that when the death sentence is carried out, it should be done in the most humane way possible.  There has been some question as to whether or not lethal injection causes pain.  I don't see why they can't come up with a combination of drugs for lethal injection that won't be painful.  Something that just puts a person to sleep. 


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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/6/2010 5:16:13 AM   
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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/6/2010 5:17:09 AM   
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And I am sure she is not the same person she was back then. Hell, who is? I had to pay for my mistakes when I was a dumbass teen, and so must she. Thankfully, I never felt the need to listen to some wacko jesus lookin dude and go butcher people.


LOL!  Especially during a period of history when people were promoting peace and love.  I hadn't thought of that.  Whatever on earth possessed these people to listen to him?  However, that being said, I believe that when people do things as wrong as this, there is something wrong with them, they are not sane.  However, until we have learned how to successfully treat such illness, what do we do?  I don't think that brutal punishment is the answer.  Yet, when people have shown that they can't live amongst the rest of us, i. e. child molesters and such, I think the best thing to do is to kill them.  Put them and us out of our misery. 


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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/6/2010 5:23:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		The anti death penalty folks even say lock them up for life. I am a strong believer that the death penalty should be used in certain instances. Life in prison all to often doesn't mean life, and it should.

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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/6/2010 5:48:57 AM   
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RE: Should Life in prison, really mean Life in prison? ... - 7/6/2010 5:54:16 AM   
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And I am sure she is not the same person she was back then. Hell, who is? I had to pay for my mistakes when I was a dumbass teen, and so must she. Thankfully, I never felt the need to listen to some wacko jesus lookin dude and go butcher people.


LOL!  Especially during a period of history when people were promoting peace and love.  I hadn't thought of that.  Whatever on earth possessed these people to listen to him?  However, that being said, I believe that when people do things as wrong as this, there is something wrong with them, they are not sane.  However, until we have learned how to successfully treat such illness, what do we do?  I don't think that brutal punishment is the answer.  Yet, when people have shown that they can't live amongst the rest of us, i. e. child molesters and such, I think the best thing to do is to kill them.  Put them and us out of our misery. 

I hear ya.  I hate the part of me that wants the murderer to suffer as much as the victim, and who knows, it might bother me if it really happened.  I doubt it, but I have hope that it would bother me.  I hate to think I am really that damn cold hearted.

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