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RE: Damage done - 3/14/2010 12:49:30 PM   
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Are there a certain percentage of people with issues/baggage/damage here?  Of course.  We probably get a double dose because we have both those who come to the internet looking for social interaction and validation, PLUS we have those who are seeking to solve all their problems by finding the one magic thing that will take all their inner chaos away, in this case, the religion of WIITWD.


This.

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There are plenty of "normal" people here as well.


And I'd add a few exceptional ones.

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RE: Damage done - 3/14/2010 1:06:23 PM   
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It depends what other group you're comparing people on here with.  Yes, most people on here are more extreme emotionally compared to my computer programmer friends.  But compared to the theatre people I know, most of us are bastions of stability.

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RE: Damage done - 3/14/2010 1:13:16 PM   
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While that is a bit of a stereotypical generalisation Apocalypso, I will agree that it is all a question of perspective.

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< Message edited by LadyAngelika -- 3/14/2010 1:17:14 PM >


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RE: Damage done - 3/14/2010 2:15:44 PM   
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Personally I think the damage done in our world and societies is rampant. Add to it the amount of shame, confusion and lack of ability a lot of the time to do what might need to be done to get help.

We are encouraged to be healthy and independent to 'not have baggage' to present ourselves as having it together when we dont really. We get credit for being even-keeled and being unemotional.

I dont know the statistics but people are abused in all sorts of ways all the time unfortunately.

It takes special people to have the kind of insight, understanding and compassion to help heal these broken up places. To want to. I think this is a case of finding somone, or people that click, and really do care to take the time and effort to move this healing along.

It is good to find people to feel trust for and safe around so one can relax and be themselves, let their real selves surface without the fear of being rejected for it. I dont mean acting out and doing more damage to oneself or another but to be able to not have to hide who we are from the other.

I see relationships that seem to very much have this dynamic intact and I find it very inspiring and a standard to hold my own romantic liaisons against.

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RE: Damage done - 3/14/2010 2:16:58 PM   
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There's a very un-average Bear prowls these woods, he adjusted my flag for me too .

Pirate



Yes of course, not speaking of that particular teddy, Pirate.

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RE: Damage done - 3/14/2010 2:29:31 PM   
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Well there is your first problem, right there.  If Domiguy says something profound or inspirational, it's either completely by accident, or he is on his way to trying to get you to give up some one night stand buttsex. 

Are there a certain percentage of people with issues/baggage/damage here?  Of course.  We probably get a double dose because we have both those who come to the internet looking for social interaction and validation, PLUS we have those who are seeking to solve all their problems by finding the one magic thing that will take all their inner chaos away, in this case, the religion of WIITWD.


There are plenty of "normal" people here as well.


Maybe you are right TH, I dont know. I have found dg inspiring and refreshing and I have also been aghast at some of the things he posted.

Hurling shite at him is not really any different from him hurling shite at someone else is it?

The stance of, "I would never judge against someone unless it was to someone like this, or I would not ever call any one names except someone who hurls insults at others..." is to me simply more of the same. No better no worse.



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RE: Damage done - 3/14/2010 3:30:28 PM   
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Do you think that those people are any different from any other people that inhabit any other board?


Yes.  But only in that the nature of this arena (sharing stories about relationships) lends itself to the sort of sharing, both good and bad.  Sometimes people do need validation and clarity, in an effort to find answers, it is not all bad.  I am not sure that people here are more ":damaged", I think they simply feel comfort in sharing or have a need to share their stories.


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RE: Damage done - 3/14/2010 3:58:10 PM   
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We, by our very definition, are outside of the so-called norm. Anyone outside of the norm fights battles, either publicly or personally.

We bare the wounds of these battles our entire lives. Some learn to deal with their inner demons and some don’t.

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RE: Damage done - 3/14/2010 4:34:52 PM   
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If we really think about what the website is all about and what kind of questions get asked, it is not surprising that we wind up seeing a lot of each other's past hardships and current struggles.  The moment intimacy and sex become some of the major content, it is a pretty sure bet that it is going to stir stuff up.  I am a poster that will more often than not use my own personal experience with something to formulate my answer and hopefully bring a little humanity, realism, and hope along the way.  People get to know a lot about me from reading my posts, but I can promise it isn't even close to knowing me.

Intensive M/s and D/s dynamics can really shake loose all kinds of old hurt and things we didn't even know were at work in the background of our lives.  This isn't just a submissive thing.  I see it with dominants as well and everyone else all over the spectrum.  Intimate relationship are places where we become vulnerable and open up things that were too dangerous to take off the shelf alone or in day to day life.  Add to that the S/m and sexual aspects and that lets loose all manner of insecurities, past victimization, family dynamics, as well as any number of health conditions that can impact both the relationship and play.  It is no wonder we wind up seeing a lot more of each other than we normally would in other venues.  The more aspects of one's life that are impacted by what we do here, the more potential to run into something that is going to cause issues.  It may be as simple as how I can still kneel for long periods with bad knees or as serious as how to ever enjoy sex again after a rape and all kinds of things in between or even beyond.  Any question is revealing a problem, a flaw, however slight, or there would be no issue and no need for input.

One other major thing I can think of is that we are all pretty much here because we have a sexuality that's not quite the norm and certainly has little to no acceptance in our culture.  There are a lot of consequences to that.  I know I lived my life unaware that I had these things going on and indulging them in abusive relationship and by making others a priority at my own detriment.  It was an unhealthy way.  There is also the shroud of secracy that many of us wear at least part time.  I know I have found some pretty significant relationships become strained as things slowly emerged and were not at all something I could share with these people.  We have stress from potential job loss, family ostrazation, even flat out abuse based simply on the fact that we are different.  Our culture teaches many lessons that fly in the face of what we find ourselves confronted with.  Good men don't hit women.  Be aggressive and demand your rights.  You don't need a man.  On and on it goes.  Those were just a very small few that we have to somehow shirk in order to accept who we are and be at peace with that.  We deal with all kinds of internal and external conflict.  Much of it is forced upon us.  Some of it comes down to personalities and backgrounds of posters.  The point is that much of what we do is not only countercultural, but even considered illegal and mental illness.  It is not surprising there are so many threads that address these kinds of concerns that are particular to our "lifestyle".

In short (I know, too late now LOL), there is a lot going on here that makes such a site crawl with a great deal more "damaged" or "burdened" people.  It is not at all surprising to me.  You have control dynamics, violence, sex, intimacy stuff, and personal and cultural dissonance all rolled into one kinky, perverted enchilada.  I would be worried if we didn't hear about such things.  I think the fact that we do means that perhaps we are doing better taking care of each other in this little corner of the "bdsm community".  We recognize issues and seek ways to deal with them.  I think that's great.  I certainly don't live my life by any messageboard, but I know I have gained a lot of insight, perspective, and support from the posters here and hope to have given the same in return.  It just goes to show how deep down good many of us pervs really are and that there is a striving for a healthy and respectable face to "the lifestyle".  We may be broken, but we are not beyond repair.  Thank goodness for good friends that can help pick up the pieces.

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RE: Damage done - 3/14/2010 9:09:45 PM   
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RE: Damage done - 3/14/2010 10:28:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: heartcream

Hurling shite at him is not really any different from him hurling shite at someone else is it?



Very much so, Heart.    What can be difficult for some to catch is that there may be an old history between posters that a newer partipant would be completely unaware of, or inside jokes from the other side, or even a little fun-loving score to be settled from internet locations other than this.

I would drink frosty cold adult beverages with him without hesitation, though.

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RE: Damage done - 3/14/2010 10:44:54 PM   
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Dang it... I have been humming that Neil Young song all day long.

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RE: Damage done - 3/14/2010 11:20:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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Hurling shite at him is not really any different from him hurling shite at someone else is it?



Very much so, Heart.    What can be difficult for some to catch is that there may be an old history between posters that a newer partipant would be completely unaware of, or inside jokes from the other side, or even a little fun-loving score to be settled from internet locations other than this.

I would drink frosty cold adult beverages with him without hesitation, though.


Yeah I am unaware of what you are speaking about. From what I read of him to you, he would hoist a up a frosty hop with you too.

I suppose the point I am making is sure domi says ridiculously over the top stuff and oft times can be really cruel. My point of view though is to not try to throw the baby out with the bath water because he is not one of those posters I have seen come on here and be simply spew weird venom. He seems to have a grounded connection somehow too. I dont know, I dont mean to speak for him, I am giving my perceptions since you brought it up here.

My view is why not let us people sort it out amongst ourselves instead of this sort of trying to control the threads? Sure if someone comes in here and breaks the law so to speak, yeah sure lets keep our eye out for that sort of thing, but as far as throwing in jokes even name calling which I dont believe in but it happens. Someone calling domi names because he calls people names is more of the same really.

Maybe if we had a tally of who wanted who here there may be some sort of consensus. I wouldnt vote out some of the people others would feel absolutely get rid of that one!

I think the mods have a lot to take care of but I think interrupting the threads to change the flow of them and then even doing a fair amount of their own flirting is a bit I dont know the word. I think this is a place where the most amount of free expression could happen. This site in particular with the amount of truly intelligent and loving intended people could be a great sand box to allow that sort of freedom and learn and grow from that.

I do feel there is more openess here to go below the surface not because who gives a feck, it is the internet, but because the nature of this place would push back walls of regular standing into more places shedding light whether that lit place is the prettiest place or not.

That Neil Young song was in my head when I made this post and was inspired to use its phrasing.

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RE: Damage done - 3/14/2010 11:30:28 PM   
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Every time I saw this thread, that song popped into my head, so it was the only response I had.

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RE: Damage done - 3/15/2010 12:12:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage

Every time I saw this thread, that song popped into my head, so it was the only response I had.



Thank you for the link Darling Savage! I listened to that song and he is so young there! Good ol Neil Young.

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RE: Damage done - 3/15/2010 9:20:13 AM   
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Everyone has SOME KIND of issue or issues. Some call it damage, some call it life. I think some people have more issues than others.

This type of forum just allows people to share it more freely.

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RE: Damage done - 3/15/2010 9:23:17 AM   
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I have not read the rest of the replies yet so forgive me if I am repeating someone else's comments, but I think it is that there are more damaged people here than elsewhere but that perhaps this is a place where more people feel they can be open enough to talk about the damage.

In most places the topic is taboo, but what fits better than discussing a taboo on a site designed for discussing taboo topics?

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RE: Damage done - 3/16/2010 8:19:29 PM   
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does it really matter
we are all here ..
live and learn
and perhaps grow a little ..
freak or not ..
its a place to 'relate'
sometimes that can make the most difference
'not being alone'
~~ soul

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RE: Damage done - 3/16/2010 10:56:24 PM   
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I think the level of anonymity here is a big factor. You realize that regular email is scanned, but mail here is only scanned by this site. To find out who you are takes a court order or subpeona.

So you'll find more people willing to discuss that they have very wierd proclivities or serious issues that would be embarrasing to admit elsewhere. Many blogs put your email right out there for all to see.

The owner of sweetchastity.com got beat up by fagbashers after they found out where he was. He did suffer real injuries, this was not just a smacking around. This is an important point, kinksters enjoy the same stigma homosexuals used to en masse, and some to this day. I guess Canada is a good place for that because that's where the dude caught a severe asskicking. For basically nothing at all. They found him, he didn't go out looking for them.

There are a couple of people here who can think in psychological terms well enough to evaluate the base personality of a fagbasher. Mine is that they are afraid - of themselves. Fear generates anger. Anyone who disagrees has been alone for waaaaaaay tooooo long. The mechanism by which this happens is understandable, but convoluted. I am not going into detail at this time, not my thread.

However it may be noteworthy that the fagbashers are actually more damaged than the "fags" they bash. And that is what we are dealing with in the general population. Everyone has defense mechanisms and their own form of escape. And actually I am starting to think that almost any form of criminality may be the result of same. That was a postulation, not an assertation. And if untrue, the two are closely connected. I have befriended many "criminals" as well as criminals and I see the same thing. It started young. You really get these people talking you get to the root of the problem sometimes. It's not always abuse, at least not physically. Sometimes it is of course, but not all the time. And sometimes it is just not abuse at all, it is the attitude conferred by Parents or guardians. There are many facets of this as well.

Understand how I am, I was not abused as a child. At about 18 I started really abusing myself though, but that is not the point. If I saw someone smacking a kid around, more than a usual spanking I would not call anyone, I would smack them. Even though I did not experience it, I know the effects all too well. Even the alternate morality, if that is how it is, at least teach the kids that they shouldn't hurt people and how not to get caught. That's your duty, and most people have shirked their responsibility in this matter.

And now we have an overfilled prison system, and mental institutions. Hospitals with victims and sharks alike. Not to mention the fact that we have so many people on mood altering prescription drugs now that Orwell's 1984 is boring. I won't even bother to read it, well maybe someday.

If you have damage done, tell us. Don't think we are pros, but realize that pro only means you get paid. The word does not infer any type of competence. But if you have to go to a shrink, fine. But that doesn't mean you can't bring it up here and get some different angles on the situation. That doesn't mean our opinions are automatically invalid.

Think of it like this, you have an embarrassing problem, or are half crazy or whatever. In real life you might only discuss these matters with a few very close friends. Well in that way a site like this, by removing one's true identity from view, can actually make us closer. How's that for irony ?

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RE: Damage done - 3/16/2010 11:11:09 PM   
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I caught you knockin' on my cellar door
I love you, baby,
Can I have some more?
Gone, gone
The damage done....

I hit the city and I lost my band
I watched the needle take another man
Gone, gone,
The damage done.

I sing this song
Because I love the man
I know that some of you
Don't understand.
Milk, blood, to keep from runnin' out.

I seen the needle and the damage done
A little part of it in everyone
But every junkie's like a setting sun.



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