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ORIGINAL: justme1980

We all know that the Dominants enjoys all the perks of ownership, however that also means they must take on the responsibilites as well. What is a dominants ethical and moral obligations to their slave/sub with regards to their financial security. what have you done or will you do to meet those obligations?

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ORIGINAL: sweetsub1957

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ORIGINAL: justme1980

We all know that the Dominants enjoys all the perks of ownership, however that also means they must take on the responsibilites as well. What is a dominants ethical and moral obligations to their slave/sub with regards to their financial security. what have you done or will you do to meet those obligations?

Are you saying that submissives/slaves don't enjoy our part of the relationship?  If I didn't totally enjoy being owned, I would not be IN the relationship at all.  As for my financial security, I have my own income and I do not expect Him to set aside and provide for me.  That's my own responsibility.  I may be a submissive, but I can also take care of myself. 

If He required that I quit my job and be a stay-at-home sub, then I would hope that He'd provide for my future, but your original post said nothing to that effect. 

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ORIGINAL: IrishMist

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This is for a Master who decides he wants a stay at home sub, this is for a long term arragement, this is not for short term or casual palyers
My Apologizes for not clarifying properly

Get your panties out of a twist; I understood perfectly what you had said and what you were referring to.

It does not change the fact though that your umm...statements...are generalized, and obviously biased...it was to those generalizations and biases that I was placing my questions.

go back and re-read what YOU wrote in your oringinal OP....and then, try and comprehend what you wrote and you might understand why everyone is snickering at you.

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ORIGINAL: Missokyst

I agree.  lol besides if the master is getting all the perks of ownership why would the sub be in there at all? 
And exactly HOW do you know it will be long term?  Got a fortuneteller I am unaware of?
Prepare! 
Kyst

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ORIGINAL: IrishMist

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This is for a Master who decides he wants a stay at home sub, this is for a long term arragement, this is not for short term or casual palyers
My Apologizes for not clarifying properly

Get your panties out of a twist; I understood perfectly what you had said and what you were referring to.

It does not change the fact though that your umm...statements...are generalized, and obviously biased...it was to those generalizations and biases that I was placing my questions.

go back and re-read what YOU wrote in your oringinal OP....and then, try and comprehend what you wrote and you might understand why everyone is snickering at you.

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ORIGINAL: islandgyrl

I am the dominant in our relationship. We both work and take care of our own finances. Extra goodies are taken care of by him because he has more disposable income and earns double the amount that I earn. We are planning a vacation and he will pay. If I made more I would pay. I wouldn't put myself in a position to depend on anyone to plan my financial future. What if feelings change? You could be out in the street without any resources. I have seen too many people trust in their partner and when feelings change promises are forgotten. What was "ours" or "yours" can easily become "theirs" or "mine". Unless you can afford a good attorney to protect you, forgetaboutit!
 
Island
 

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ORIGINAL: AlexandraLynch

Currently all our subs do not live with us. If he dies, I am legally his heir, as his legal wife. If I die, he's mine. Very standard sort of thing. 

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ORIGINAL: frazzle

to the Op as ive never worked out this thing.

My Master got a tad annoyed last week. we were discussing incomes. I thought mine was crud. Seems i earn more than Him and as i run my own business, do a lot less work.

We have now spoken about it, if this works long term, I will still be his slave, but will end up supporting both of us.

It doesnt alter the dynamic.

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ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom

In my opinion, it's not his job  or his ethical duty t o make sure I am financially  well off, it's mine.  so there for he does not need to do anything to see to my fiancial well being. Other than n ot be a leaching no good good for nothing, and then again it's my job to not get involved with leaches, so again it comes down to my job not his.


And I would be careful not to use such generalizations as "we all know" and to generalize what doms enjoy or that all doms are into ownership and own their girl. Since I can tell you right now, Nobody own me, I'm not a dog or a piece of property I am an independant freethinking  woman, and there for personally do not believe in ownership, so I would choose a partner who believed the same thing.

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ORIGINAL: justme1980

We all know that the Dominants enjoys all the perks of ownership, however that also means they must take on the responsibilites as well. What is a dominants ethical and moral obligations to their slave/sub with regards to their financial security. what have you done or will you do to meet those obligations?

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ORIGINAL: robertolapiedra

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ORIGINAL: justme1980

We all know that the Dominants enjoys all the perks of ownership, however that also means they must take on the responsibilites as well. What is a dominants ethical and moral obligations to their slave/sub with regards to their financial security. what have you done or will you do to meet those obligations?

Hello justme1980. We all know that subs enjoy all the perks of submission also! It is exactly the same as vanilla relationships, it is simply what you both agree to. There is such a thing as a financial ''limit'' to the power exchange. In my case we are married which does not necessarily guarantee financial independence to the level of a millionaire. If I kick the bucket it is half pension + life insurance to my subbie.. Other couples have other arrangements and it has absolutely nothing to do with BDSM.

The dominants ethical and moral obligation is adherence to what was agreed to by the two consenting adults, no more no less. The submissives ethical and moral obligation is the same, not unfounded expectations that these things will work themselves out just by some magic honor code that all dominants sign in blood in some obscure ceremony. Dominants do not owe submissives a living, even after death. Life partners owe each other what they have contracted to owe each other, and again it has nothing to do with lifestyle per se. Just my opinion. RL.

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

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ORIGINAL: justme1980

We all know that the Dominants enjoys all the perks of ownership, however that also means they must take on the responsibilites as well. What is a dominants ethical and moral obligations to their slave/sub with regards to their financial security. what have you done or will you do to meet those obligations?

So much depends on the dynamic. If the girl is working and has an income, she will perhaps contribute to the financial running of the home, (Phone, internet and utilities as well as possibly food). She will be permitted to keep an allowance for necessities and the rest placed in a saving account so if anything happens, she has a nest egg. If our financial circumstances are such that we are able to fully support her even if she is a student, then financial arrangements are made so money is paid into a savings account in her name if paid in regularly (weekly or monthly). This is especially so if her sole work obligation is to serve as a domestic at which time she would have an employment contract and she gets paid the award wage (or more) into her account which she can not access whilst she stays with us, thus enforcing her finances are sufficient to keep her going in needs be. In any case her health and general well-being including transport and studies are my responsibility.. As I said at the start, so much depends on the individual dynamic.

I was trying to locate the whole manifesto i have written explaining all the variations to the last tee (checked by my legal folk), but me being me in hibernation season have forgotten where I put the blessed disk.

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ORIGINAL: krikket

My situation was somewhat similar to oceanwinds, only instead of getting sick, my vanilla husband lost his job, his self-respect, honor, loyalty and discovered that he enjoyed being a "kept" man.  He also enjoyed having many subs/slaves on the Internet.  By the time we split, there wasn't any money left.  i was working 2 jobs, that fortunately came with medical insurance, and my recently widowed father was able to help more than i wanted him to, but had no choice in.  The OP is right -- as a vanilla dom he did get all of the perks, what i received we won't go into here..lol.  It took a few years to get the bills paid and get on my feet financially, emotionally and spiritually.  i promised myself that i would never again be dependant on anyone like i was him.  i thought he cared enough to make sure we were secure in our lives, not just financially but in every way, but circumstances change.  As responsible adults, imho, it's up to each of us to make sure our own future (and those we love) is as secure as possible.  With today's economy that's no longer as easy as it was, which is why it's also, again imho, that we need to work together, be help mates as well as soul mates, D/s or any other label we care to use.  Living Wills, Powers of Attorney, Wills, life/medica insurance, organ donor wishes and someone who knows what's important to us are all very important.  Having all of that in place doesn't make us more or less doms and/or subs.  It's just smart.

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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

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ORIGINAL: justme1980


I am saying that the Master is requiring the sub/slave be a home maker, an does not work

I wouldn't be with a D type who required me to quit my job and become a homemaker. It's my idea of hell.

My view is this is something that gets negotiated before a committment gets made.  I'd be wary of someone that expected me to give up my base of support right from the get go, unless there was some serious items put in place. We've all seen the submissives that get dumped and suddenly have no place to live and no means of support. In this depressed economy, finding a job is not guaranteed.

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ORIGINAL: whiteslavebitch

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ORIGINAL: justme1980

We all know that the Dominants enjoys all the perks of ownership, however that also means they must take on the responsibilites as well. What is a dominants ethical and moral obligations to their slave/sub with regards to their financial security. what have you done or will you do to meet those obligations?

I work full time, put money in my 401K every pay period. MasterK expects me to manage my money so that all my bills are paid and that I save what I can.

And as for perks, I feel like I get many more "perks" than he does. This relationship fulfills my needs and desires like no other previous relationship.

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

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ORIGINAL: justme1980

We all know that the Dominants enjoys all the perks of ownership, however that also means they must take on the responsibilites as well. What is a dominants ethical and moral obligations to their slave/sub with regards to their financial security. what have you done or will you do to meet those obligations?

I am not wealthy. Anyone that comes into my life is either going to have to be wealthy enough to provide for themself or work. I will not allow someone to go without good medical care (health insurance) or a retirement plan in addition to a savings account/nest egg.

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ORIGINAL: Missokyst

I agree.  lol besides if the master is getting all the perks of ownership why would the sub be in there at all? 
And exactly HOW do you know it will be long term?  Got a fortuneteller I am unaware of?
Prepare! 
Kyst

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Because that is the only tye of relationship I will enter into. I am not one who jumps from one bed to another and my Master would know that
Is there a posibblity they it would not last, sure, but you could say that about any relationship, including a marriage

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ORIGINAL: justme1980



I did not think those phrases would be taken so literally and no, I would have never inferred you to be an animal or property, much less someone incapable of free thought or intelligence