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RE: Law Enforcement Folks in WIITWD - 6/8/2009 5:43:40 PM

LookieNoNookie

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(wasnt able to find anything when I used the search feature and several different search strings.)

I'm encountering a lot of law enforcement folks recently (county to federal and up into the alphabet agencies).

rhetorical question: what does one do with them?

I would know WHAT to do with them - but how does one talk to the PERSON while vetting the OCCUPATION? I'd be torn between what the human wants and what the officer frowns on. Yes - you're right. It *is* called Cover Your 8ss'

Would any law enforcement person be amazed by a request that they swear anything they experience is purely for their personal pleasure and not part of an official proceeding? Yes - that's reaching. But.. is it really?

Yes- there's a little risk in everything. At some point, it goes past the 'little bit of risk' marker right into "your friends are REALLY gonna hate that kind of predictament play!!" I'm also sure the proprietors of the local dungeons would do many awful things to me ~ right before dis-inviting me from membership for failing to vet a guest.

So.. back to the original question --> what does one do with them (and how does one do it?).

Help?

I'm not sure what you're asking but....I've been arrested more times than I can count....I wasn't really the best of citizens....teen or adult.

Cops deal with a lot of shit.

I have some of the best lawyers in the world. None of the above is on my record....(see reference to lawyers).

I've always known I could get away with damn near anything....and I did....multiple times.

I've never understood the whole "Black people serve more time than whites for the exact same crime" theme....it's bullshit.

Total.

Complete.

You want to sell drugs, run a red light, lift makeup, fail to pay a fee when due....all you need is a good attorney.

It's not a race issue....fuck.....I've walked from so many bad deeds (none horrendous, but cumulatively....enough to put someone away....certainly enough to keep someone from going where I eventually went)....

Police....Law Enforcement persons have dealt with a lot of shit.

Mine.

Yours.....

And a bunch of others.....

I like those guys....and I respect them.

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RE: Law Enforcement Folks in WIITWD - 6/8/2009 5:59:35 PM

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I have know a few in the lifestyle that were in law enforcement. Personally, I don't really worry about it. While they can lie to you in the course of an investigation there are things they can't do. However, amongst the lies I believe they would tell if investigating would be that he/she is not in law enforcement. I really don't see someone saying hey I am cop, wouldn't you like to break the law now? Fact is here in the US I don't know of any state in which you can consent to abuse and the abuser can use it as a defense - so it really doesn't matter if they consent or not. But there again I think if it was an investigation/sting the person would not identify as LE. And really most of us are not of the level that would interests the legal system.

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RE: Law Enforcement Folks in WIITWD - 6/8/2009 5:59:39 PM

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We do not have the same situation here in Germany concerning the law, so that would not be a reason for not having a relationship or play.

I had a friend who was with the police, but we were only friends and he was an exception.

Smoking Gun and janiebelle described pretty good why they won't look for a deeper contact and i am in the same boat. I can not possibly imagine to have such close contact with somebody from LE.

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RE: Law Enforcement Folks in WIITWD - 6/8/2009 6:00:28 PM

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LOL darn it.. I forgot to add one thing. If the person is named Peterson, just stay away.
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RE: Law Enforcement Folks in WIITWD - 6/8/2009 6:07:44 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

I've never understood the whole "Black people serve more time than whites for the exact same crime" theme....it's bullshit.

It's not a race issue....fuck.....I've walked from so many bad deeds (none horrendous, but cumulatively....enough to put someone away....certainly enough to keep someone from going where I eventually went)....

Interesting - seeing as you are white according to your profile, I doubt you have first hand knowledge of whether or not race plays an issue in the legal system.

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RE: Law Enforcement Folks in WIITWD - 6/8/2009 6:25:36 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LovingMistress45

quote:

ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

I've never understood the whole "Black people serve more time than whites for the exact same crime" theme....it's bullshit.

It's not a race issue....fuck.....I've walked from so many bad deeds (none horrendous, but cumulatively....enough to put someone away....certainly enough to keep someone from going where I eventually went)....

Interesting - seeing as you are white according to your profile, I doubt you have first hand knowledge of whether or not race plays an issue in the legal system.

Of course I don't...and I wouldn't allude to it....I just hate the discussion.

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RE: Law Enforcement Folks in WIITWD - 6/8/2009 7:35:09 PM

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One Dom in the local scene where Master and I used to be was a cop, now retired. He was great, no problems at all, very open about his job, and gave good advice about what could be problematic (eg laws on handcuffs, carrying knives, whips etc). He wasn't at all concerned with impact play within the context of consent and none of us ever felt like he was "watching us". There was another at the local cop shop who was a personal friend of another Domme, while he wasn't into it himself, he visited the club, asked a LOT of interested questions in a very nice way, came to a good understanding of the lifestyle and used that knowledge to educate others. When someone with an axe to grind tried to report the club to the cops ... well, that report didn't go far LOL! So having taken "the risk" of having the guy visit and answering all his questions really paid off. The same idiot also reported the club to the local council ... they came around and were shown around the facility when not in use ... no problems to them as long as we had fire exits and a fire extinguisher (which we did)! No doubt very frustrating to that idiot too!

However, this is in the context of Australia, where we are nowhere as much a "police state" as certain parts of USA seem to be. I can understand why people there would be much more reluctant. However, I would tend to agree that if it was a sting they are unlikely to say "hey I'm a cop!" upfront. Wouldn't be much of a sting then would it! I'd have to take it carefully on a case by case basis and be more concerned about their personality and whether they would be a good match for Me or not.

Certainly an interesting question. Any idea why you're attracting so many of them OP?

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RE: Law Enforcement Folks in WIITWD - 6/8/2009 10:52:59 PM

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I have no issue with LEOs. Unless they are arresting me. And even some of them were pretty awesome.

(tips my hat to the officer in BIllings MT who was way cool)

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RE: Law Enforcement Folks in WIITWD - 6/8/2009 11:16:34 PM

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There's some good social research regarding "friends and family" of authority figures (basically anyone who carries a gun). Sadly, much of the research suggests the tight camaraderie seen in those professions is due to outsiders not identifying with their struggles and occupational demands.

I would never ask a police officer to do anything illegal, even if just for play. (The idea of playing with an female officer has been a fantasy of mine since I got side swiped about a year ago... O.o) Likely, though, it would go down like this:

My Lady Cop Sex Toy: "Come on... Lets do it on the side of the freeway... no one's coming!"
Me: "Ehh.. You know that's illegal, I can't jeopardize your career."
MLCST: "Don't be a chicken, just fuck me!"
Me: ".... Ok, lets do it!"
MLCST: "Under State Regulation 145.25.11, I hereby place you under arrest for-"

But that risk is everywhere. Any time I have sex, I trust the woman not to accuse me of rape. Every time you spank a police officer, you trust they continue to separate kink and work. A certain level of intimacy allows you to trust a person... But the risk is still there. How much would you like to wager for a fun night?

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RE: Law Enforcement Folks in WIITWD - 6/8/2009 11:32:07 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LovingMistress45

quote:

ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

I've never understood the whole "Black people serve more time than whites for the exact same crime" theme....it's bullshit.

It's not a race issue....fuck.....I've walked from so many bad deeds (none horrendous, but cumulatively....enough to put someone away....certainly enough to keep someone from going where I eventually went)....

Interesting - seeing as you are white according to your profile, I doubt you have first hand knowledge of whether or not race plays an issue in the legal system.

I'm white and a social scientist. I feel qualifiable as an expert witness in this matter. The Supreme Court admits (and I quote) "The death sentence is[was] disproportionately carried out on the poor, the Negro, and the members of unpopular groups."

Peer reviewed articles, namely with the following tags: "racial bias" "juror decision making" "legal psychology" "own race bias" "race culpability"... The list goes on...

Will demonstrate a well defined racial bias against black defendants (as compared to whites, with all other things being equal). This is particularly emphasized with rape cases, female victims, and physical violence. Also, the colloquial "All us black people look alike?" is confirmed and renamed "own race bias". Humans use a system of identification, whites (who often grow up with whites and need to learn to distinguish them) learn to see hair lines, eye colour, and skin tone as identifying features. Blacks (who often grow up with blacks and need to learn to distinguish them) tend to use jaw shape and body shape.

There is light, though. When jurors are told, specifically and explicitly, to ignore their racial biases they can be very effective at controlling the "automatic" or "subversive" racism. The problem? What judge wants to bring up out of the blue "Now don't be racist now, ya'hear?!"

My point was this: Blacks have the short end of the stick, empirically so. Now how did we get here?

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RE: Law Enforcement Folks in WIITWD - 6/9/2009 12:15:01 AM

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When my husband and I were first married, there was a house converted into apartments, one up one down, across the street. The upstairs apartment was tenanted by a Hispanic couple. Their entertainment on the weekends appeared to be getting drunk. Apparently, as she drank, she remembered every single thing he'd done wrong in the past week, and they would argue, and she'd lock him out of the house. He would shrug, walk over to his brother's house, and then walk back home when sober so as to get his work uniform. And he would walk over to our house and ask to borrow our extension ladder, so as to get back into his apartment through the window. Finally, my husband said, "Hey, you know where it is, put it back when you're done with it."

About a year and a half after we moved in, I was startled by a knock on the door, and opened it to find a policeman on the other side. "Excuse me, ma'am," he said, "but can we borrow your ladder?"

I was then treated to the spectacle of a policeman attempting to fit through a small window on the second floor while wearing his utility belt. I was much amused.

(She had called her sister and said that she had taken an overdose, and wouldn't respond to phone calls or knocking. He worked for the city, and was out and not quickly contacted to get his door key. The police, learning of her husband's method of entry on Sundays, decided to follow suit.)

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RE: Law Enforcement Folks in WIITWD - 6/9/2009 4:49:53 AM

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One of the first people I met was a male dominant who happened to be a sherriff. It never dawned on me to be worried about it. He turned out to be a great guy and a great friend. When I was younger I used to party with Detroit cops all the time. They always had the best smoke.

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RE: Law Enforcement Folks in WIITWD - 6/16/2009 4:01:20 PM

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Whooo - I'm a bit horrified by how many folk on here are so prejudiced against the law enforcement community. Maybe "police community relations" are way worse on the other side of the Atlantic??? OK - I have a friend who works for our local police authority. SHE is cautious about going to LOCAL events or telling people where she works.....simply because she doesn't want to bump into folk socially that she might have to deal with at work. But under the skin law enforcement folk are the same of the rest of us. They do naughty stuff sometimes. They don't "report everything" to HQ.

Yeah - I'd want to know that I could trust somebody before I played with them, understand their motivation - but that's general, not just 'cos someone was a cop or whatever. Personally I'd be far more alarmed if I discovered someone worked for the media.

I know that some of WIITWD is illegal in the UK and other places, but I believe the best way to deal with that is to support campaigns to get the law changed, not run away and hide from the cops.

And personally - I've been pleased to see the police on way more occasions than I've been unhappy. If I got a ticket, it was my own stupid fault for not seeing the speed limit sign, or sticking to it. But when I've needed serious shit sorting out they were there to help.

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RE: Law Enforcement Folks in WIITWD - 6/16/2009 4:56:43 PM

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I don't play with Law Enforcement, and I do not associate with them either. I have had several friends and family members involved in Law Enforcement fields over the years, (all of whom are either now retired or no longer in my life) and the level of corruption and hypocrisy among their coworkers were such that I want nothing to do with the profession or anyone involved in it. The few times I have needed to call the police, I have been less than impressed. Now I handle my own problems and don't bother calling, unless it's something like a car accident where I have to file a report for my insurance.

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RE: Law Enforcement Folks in WIITWD - 6/16/2009 5:56:37 PM

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Years ago I had a friend that was a police officer and a dominant male. We were talking one time and he told me how tough it was to find someone (a submissive) because of his job. I had never really thought about it, but it dawned on me that he was right, it really shouldn't matter. Yeah, cops are cops 24/7, my husband worked in the tool and die industry for decades, he's still a machinist, 24/7. Doctors are on all the time as well. People shouldn't be ostracized because of their occupation. And corruption? Hypocrisy? Been to church lately? Every industry is the same, there's good and the not so good people and some down right jerkoffs. The job has nothing to do with it, it's the people.

Would I date a cop? In a heartbeat! And I've seen some that could make even me drool!! Uh huh.... put that utility belt on them and nothing else... oh hell yeah!!

Ok, I feel the same way about firemen!!

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RE: Law Enforcement Folks in WIITWD - 6/16/2009 6:13:01 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: pdv99

Whooo - I'm a bit horrified by how many folk on here are so prejudiced against the law enforcement community. Maybe "police community relations" are way worse on the other side of the Atlantic??? OK - I have a friend who works for our local police authority. SHE is cautious about going to LOCAL events or telling people where she works.....simply because she doesn't want to bump into folk socially that she might have to deal with at work. But under the skin law enforcement folk are the same of the rest of us. They do naughty stuff sometimes. They don't "report everything" to HQ.

Yeah - I'd want to know that I could trust somebody before I played with them, understand their motivation - but that's general, not just 'cos someone was a cop or whatever. Personally I'd be far more alarmed if I discovered someone worked for the media.

I know that some of WIITWD is illegal in the UK and other places, but I believe the best way to deal with that is to support campaigns to get the law changed, not run away and hide from the cops.

And personally - I've been pleased to see the police on way more occasions than I've been unhappy. If I got a ticket, it was my own stupid fault for not seeing the speed limit sign, or sticking to it. But when I've needed serious shit sorting out they were there to help.

Not everyone is, but after reading the boards the past few days, I have to wonder. I went to Black Rose a few times. http://www.br.org/blackrose/index.php? and they used off duty cops for security. They did a great job and were very freindly. I know there are assholes in every proffesion, but that doesn't mean you should judge the whole group by the morons.

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RE: Law Enforcement Folks in WIITWD - 6/16/2009 6:42:56 PM

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ORIGINAL: MsFlutter
Would any law enforcement person be amazed by a request that they swear anything they experience is purely for their personal pleasure and not part of an official proceeding?

Would you be amazed if whatever such oath they gave in that regard was totally meaningless later on if you ended up in hot water? You raise some excellent points. If it were me I'd pass on anyone who openly admits to such an occupation.

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RE: Law Enforcement Folks in WIITWD - 6/16/2009 7:01:18 PM

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i know this is probably going to sound stupid, but i've seen this all over the place here. What does "WIITWD" mean? It's driving me nuts not knowing. Pleeeeease fill me in.

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RE: Law Enforcement Folks in WIITWD - 6/16/2009 7:03:18 PM

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What does "WIITWD" mean?

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RE: Law Enforcement Folks in WIITWD - 6/16/2009 7:18:36 PM

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Thanks much!

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