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RE: If one has a bad experience with someone from here... - 2/24/2009 1:34:17 AM   
talktomeplease


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"How about taking her to court for defamation?"

Not that you are actually asking a question, but I'll address it as though you sincerely were: dontdatehimgirl has been challenged unsuccessfully many times in the past.

And (again, not that you actually care, but someone might be interested): Hearsay is not the only thing that can be posted.  If a person it actively posting on dating sites representing themselves as single when they are married, a post on DDHG or similar sites can alert a potential date to that fact, which they can confirm or disprove through public records.

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RE: If one has a bad experience with someone from here... - 2/24/2009 1:34:43 AM   
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Geez the OP is probably gone off CM otherwise she may have responded to this post. Take a chill pill. If she wanted to defend herself then she probably would. It's none of your business defending her though you disagree with almost every person that posted on this thread.
Apart from that I see nothing wrong with the points people have been pointing out and in my opinion nobody has been attacking anyone. Don't be so sensitive on others behalf. Nobody is blaming anyone here.

..I can't believe this nonsense has reached page 3


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RE: If one has a bad experience with someone from here... - 2/24/2009 1:38:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: talktomeplease

Um, Just World Theory is not "my theory".  It's becoming funny that you want to make reference to it in your responses while having read nothing about it.

I indeed did read Calandra's post.  I wonder whether you have actually read what I have posted.  Several of your comments suggest otherwise. For example, "you're going to condemn everyone who posted". Ummm... no.  I wrote that it was disappointing to see people blaming the OP.  Nowhere did I state or suggest that every single person posting did so.

As for Calandra's post, yes she couched her comments in the subjunctive, but interestingly, she and many other posters do not seem to have even considered the possibility that the OP may not in fact be to blame.   Calandra offers no contingencies for that.



You are twisting my words but I suppose I wasn't expressly clear about everything. "Your theory" was an offhand phrase meant to convay "The theory you are putting forth as applicable to this situation". I did not mean to imply that you created, own or were present for the forming of it - though you may have been, I don't know. I have mentioned it a grand total of once and spoke of a just world, not in reference to any published/accepted/on a website theory but in an overall idea of a just and fair world.

I do not see the posters as ignoring the idea that she isn't to blame - several people have encouraged her to contact the police as needed - but more wanting her to focus on her own part.

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RE: If one has a bad experience with someone from here... - 2/24/2009 1:39:00 AM   
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If someone really has to go to a website and get information instead of relying in their own common sense and taking responsibility for their own decisions, they should not be attempting dating in the first place.
Sort out your own issues before bringing them into a relationship, or the relationship is doomed from the start.  And you will just keep repeating the same mistakes instead of learning from the lessons.
 
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RE: If one has a bad experience with someone from here... - 2/24/2009 1:40:24 AM   
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"Your previous posts are all about some people making assumptions on one short post and you have done so yourself"

Nope. I offered some information relevant to what the poster asked for. I made no assumptions about whether she would choose to post on DDHG, or what might or might not happen if she did. 

Curious though how you want me to think about the potential danger of posting there (which i'd consider fairly remote), but you don't seem concerned at all with the potential danger of having an abusive Dom out there harming additional women in the same way.

And this concludes my posts on this thread.  It's unpleasant to see the OP be blamed for her troubles, and it's unpleasant to be kept upon for expressing that opinion.  Y'all remind me of a pack of hyenas.  I leave you to your supreme confidence that you are right right right and the OP somehow must have been wrong or she wouldn't have brought such experiences on herself.

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RE: If one has a bad experience with someone from here... - 2/24/2009 1:45:38 AM   
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It is disappointing you wish to apportion blame around but then, for someone recommending such websites, I do see the irony in your last post.
 
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RE: If one has a bad experience with someone from here... - 2/24/2009 3:46:35 AM   
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Just playing the "devil's advocate" for a moment but didn't anyone else detect the distinctive scent of "Troll" in this one? 
 
Think about it, op creates an account for the sole purpose of posting this then disappears and cannot be contacted or even receive private emails of how to get help if they really wanted it.  Doesn't provide any specifics as to what limits were discussed if any were discussed at all, what was violated, etc.  Nothing really except just a general statement to stir the masses and cause outrage from the community. 
 
Think about this, what if the op isn't really the victim?  What if the op were the person who had crossed the line well into "non-consensual" with someone and in an attempt to intimidate and isolate the victim, posts something like this to bring the issue to the table?  I admit that it is a little far fetched but then again, is it?      
 
If I'm wrong, let me apologize to the op in advance but there is actually quite a bit that can be discussed without identifying a specific person or attempting to destroy their reputation.  For instance, I can make the statement that someone I met on this site and dated for two months unexpectedly contacts me one morning to inform me that he is coming over to my home.  Being the good little sub that I am, I don't think twice about being ordered to put on a blindfold and wait in my bedroom for him to arrive.  I wouldn't be revealing who he was by saying that he never mentioned his intention to bring a couple of buddy's with him to take turns on me that day or any other day for that matter. 
 
Regardless of how consensual and damaging to me personally, it still wouldn't warrant my being able to actually name this person but it certainly has given enough information to anyone reading that there is someone still out there who doesn't adhere to SSC and could potentially do this to someone else.
 
If the op is truly the victim, I understand and sympathize with your desire to hopefully prevent this person from being able to emotionally and/or physically scar another submissive, but you need to center your attentions right now on healing and protecting yourself, no one else.  Learn from what happened, develop a list of questions to ask a potential Dominant during initial encounters and pay attention not only to what they have written in their profiles but more importantly, what they have NOT written there and asked for specific expectations.  And finally, as previously suggested ask for references.  
 
Another outlet would be to talk to a well known and respected member of your community.  At the very least, someone else will know and can keep an eye on the individual and alert others if something else occurs regarding this person. 

If you were raped or sexually assaulted, someone advised you to go to the police...well, that's an option of course.  But keep in mind that to report it you are going to have to report EVERYTHING!  Including the dynamics of the relationship, ie. Master/slave Dominant/submissive and all of the private and humiliating details involved in this lifestyle that most "nilla's" label sick and twisted at best.  Based on my own singular experience, it was like being raped twice.  First, by the bottom feeding low life and his buddy's and second, by the incompetent "good Ole' boy" assigned as the investigator of the case.
   
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RE: If one has a bad experience with someone from here... - 2/24/2009 7:22:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: talktomeplease

It's disappointing to see people blame the poster for whatever bad experiences she had with this man.  Really, we don't know from the brief description what happened, whether she ignored all kinds of red flags or whether she was cautious and still got burned.  It happens.  The world is not just and we don't have perfect control over how we are treated.  To insist otherwise is a hurtful fiction that reduces compassion, as this thread well illustrates.

Personally, I'd have no problem with public outing of some types of bad behavior that fall outside of  "he said/she said".  For example, people who say they are single but are not.  No need to rely on someone's word--a check of public records will yield the answer. Same with those who have criminal records, especially of violent crimes.  It's public information and I see nothing wrong with making a point of circulating that information amongst interested parties.

To say "too bad if your time was wasted; other people will just have to find out for themselves" seems callous to me.  If someone is a known abuser or liar, why should they be allowed to continue getting away with it, over and over again?  Even when I've found out a man is married before becoming too involved with them, it's still taken me an investment of time I can never get back. That's my life they are stealing with their lies, and I don't understand why their privacy should matter more than the time they stole from me under false pretenses.

Even though it is against the TOS to write about bad experiences you had with specific users, you can always do so off-site, for example at don't date him girl.
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh yes...Don't date him, girl...another of those sites set up so people can go in and vent over their "mis-use". If you believe every single word of half of the stories in there' every guy walking around is an asshole.
I got divorced 10 years ago. That divorce isn't something I would consider one of the best times in my life. If someone I was trying to get to know wanted to known all the gory details, then depending on how badly I wanted to spend time with them and how much I trusted them, they might get them. BUT...as noted, that happened 10 years ago. I am not the same man I was then...that man was a brief aberration in the timeline of my life... and there are several submissives who will tell you the same thing and several family members who will. Are you the same woman you were 10 years ago? Do I need to know every bad thing you have done in order to know the "truth" about the good you present today?

Let's face it...people get screrwed over every day and in the majority of cases, there are flags for those with the sense enough to be cautious to spot. If you have no internal cautionary warning system built-in , if you can't find the time to check out whether he is married or not, if not one of your friends likes him/her, then you are going to find yourself in trouble. And like it or not, you then have a part in your own downfall.

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RE: If one has a bad experience with someone from here... - 2/24/2009 7:31:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: talktomeplease

" No one is blaming the poster. "

Sure they are.  Here's an example, courtesy of CreativeDom: "take a minute to look in the mirror and ask yourself what your part in all that went wrong was.  And that doesn't mean answers like "well, I was wrong to go out with such a jerk".  That still leaves all the blame elsewhere.  If you are honest, you will find at least one thing that helped to lead to the situation."

Interesting how confident he is, simply from reading one short post in the forum, that the OP must be at least partially to blame.

And this from came4u: "lemme guess? spoke to him a few days/weeks/months before meeting him in person?  Whos to blame in that case?  Try making a guy go into great detail of his past and present life for an extended period of time.  Likely within a few hours he would cause you to 'drop it' so you wouldn't have to meet to find out he is a goof.  You would have known he was capable if you had spoken to him longer.  Deep down, when you look back, you saw the signs didn't ya?"

Just world theory in its full glory. http://www.scu.edu/ethics/publications/iie/v3n2/justworld.html


I've always said that no one is 100% wrong...that also means they are not 100% right either. What you see IS confidence...confidence gained from 54 years of dealing with the world as it is rather than the way people fancy it should be. Confidence from dealing with a therapist who first quoted that first statement to me about 100% right or wrong.

What I find amusing is some people's eagerness to always believe that the poster...if female... is right and the person being asked about...if male...is wrong and if you----in this case, ME, since I am the one brought up---happen to point out that the poster...if female...might have SOME fault, then I am automatically blaming her completely.

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RE: If one has a bad experience with someone from here... - 2/24/2009 7:33:28 AM   
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well said on both posts, CD

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RE: If one has a bad experience with someone from here... - 2/24/2009 7:43:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

well said on both posts, CD

Thank you, holly...*s*''

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RE: If one has a bad experience with someone from here... - 2/24/2009 7:47:30 AM   
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I was with a man 20 years ago who chose to put my head through a wall.  I left him, I called the police and he suffered the consequenses.  Many years later he began dating his current wife.  It's been 12 years now and so far as I know he has never hit her.  He made a mistake with me that I hope he never repeats and since the police don't feel it's neccessary to warn people about him, neither do I.

If a person is an abuser, police charges should be filed.  If one cannot file charges and let the law handle it, then they should not take the law into their own hands.  In fact, I feel that trying to ruin a person's reputation is as bad of a crime as abuse and the effects can last far longer.

I hate, hate, hate, hate, Girl, don't date him and web sites of this ilk.  Generally they allow the scorned female to sign up for free and compose her diatribe without any proof of injury.  However, the accused must pay to defend his name and is often subjected to editting.  Furthermore, these sites do not have responsibility to determine validity of complaints or even notify the accused of posts.  These sites are damaging.

Yes, when someone is abused or even wronged there is a need to get back at the person did the hurting, but we are not a vigilante(sp) society and we've long since put aside the "eye for an eye" philosophy.  One has to find the means to become healed so they can move on to a healthy and happy life, not let the wrong doing ruin them for an extended period of time.

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RE: If one has a bad experience with someone from here... - 2/24/2009 7:56:41 AM   
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If you didn't do your homework, then you have no RIGHT to complain in the first place - publically or privately.


Calandra,

We don't know: He may have lied beautifully. He may have abused her non-consensually after courting her with fine words and sweet deeds of some kind. They are out there: Abusers. He may not have told her what he would do and did it anyway. She may be scarred for life from this interaction. Rape (or whatever) is no joke. I have to add: There are all kinds of kink for everyone and 'forced' is certainly one of them. She may be brand new and missed the red flags and will just learn from the experience, chalk it up to 'an experience I learned from'. That is ideal of course.

Someone always has the right to complain privately to a dear friend or their stuffed animal. .
Then they can step to the position of taking personal responsibility for their actions or lack thereof and move on.

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RE: If one has a bad experience with someone from here... - 2/24/2009 11:25:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: talktomeplease
... Personally, I'd have no problem with public outing of some types of bad behavior that fall outside of "he said/she said". For example, people who say they are single but are not. No need to rely on someone's word--a check of public records will yield the answer. ...

This is an interesting question.
1st - sorry it happened to you.

Even so, I'm not sure it is anybody else's business.
Not sure why I feel that way, though...
Maybe I still carry an element of "buyer beware" feeling about it, even in a case like that...
Or perhaps it's because you are then possibly involving more than just the both of you (i.e., his or her family.)
Also, I'm not clear on if the motive is altruistic or simply vindictive.

I'm not saying I'm right, and I'll listen to arguments, but that's how I feel about it at the moment.

Another problem is veracity, still.
Yes, it's public record; but how accessible is it? Are you going to go down to the courthouse and copy and post a facsimile of his (or her; it would be no more or less fair if the gender were reversed, right?) marriage documents to back up your claim?

( And, would that be ethical or just?)

The reason I bring up the point about documentation (and accessibility) is that you hear people make all kinds of claims against others on the internet, and then site vague references (like saying, "it's a matter of public record", etc.)

quote:


...Even when I've found out a man is married before becoming too involved with them, it's still taken me an investment of time I can never get back. That's my life they are stealing with their lies, and I don't understand why their privacy should matter more than the time they stole from me under false pretenses.

Again, a good question. I'm not agreeing with you at this point. Something doesn't sit right about it, but I'll think about it more.


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RE: If one has a bad experience with someone from here... - 2/24/2009 1:45:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: oddgirloutxxx

Like a Dom who does not respect a sub's limits, does one have a duty to make it known somehow so he cannot abuse others? And how would someone do that? This is the kind of guy who gives the whole scene a bad name. I had no idea he was capable of this behavior.



'Duty' is personal, so only you will know that. I think you're entitled to tell whom you want, but the people you tell are entitled to draw their own conclusions, whether or not you like them.

One thing's for certain, though, you're not entitled to air your grievances here because it's against house rules.

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RE: If one has a bad experience with someone from here... - 2/24/2009 3:19:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aynne88

No you don't have a duty nor is it allowed, it is a violation of TOS.  I am sorry you had a bad experience but what you find appalling might be perfect for another girl. Chalk it up to a bad match, get to know the next person better if you can, and let it go. 



I think it depends on what happened and if you have a police report on the incident.
I had such and CM were helpful and understanding but the one thing I didn't do and knew I couldn't do for obvious reasons was put the guys name up in lights.

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