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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

They are not employees. Were they employees then their employer's negligence as regards health and safety, working hours, pay and conditions and a whole range of other matters would bankrupt said employer.

As an employee, one can leave the workplace as one wishes - yes, one might be fired for it; as a soldier one is obliged by law to comply with lawful directions on where to go, what to do and if one refuses or deserts, one faces serious legal sanctions, including as I understand being shot for such in time of war.

As an employee, one works one's day expecting to survive intact and then goes home where one has leisure time to deal with one's personal affairs. As a soldier one is on duty 24/7 in a war zone where one might not make it through the next minute and is at some disadvantage being thousands of miles from home and with more pressing concerns to occupy one's attentions, to be held to the same standard as an employee when dealing with personal affairs.

E

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I would agree in general with my only mitigating success being that the Navy did replace my DD-214 in about 8 weeks. Butthe banking community could be just as easily at fault.

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Whenever possible, I refuse to do any business with Bunch of Assholes. I'm sure the negative publicity will persuade them to get reasonable though.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: TNstepsout

Why shouldn't soldiers have to pay bills? He is getting paid for what he does, isn't he? It's not like he's a volunteer.  That's what I find appalling. Maybe if fewer people defaulted on their obligations, the banks wouldn't have needed a bailout in the first place!  So now my tax dollars are not only paying his salary, but they are going to bail out banks because people like him don't take their responsibilities seriously.  What makes him so special that he shouldn't have to pay his bills? Who's next? Police, firefighters, doctors, nurses, people who do volunteer work?

I don't know why there are laws to protect servicemen who default on loans. I guess it's a perk to get people to enlist. They should change their tagline from "The Few, The Proud, The Marines" to "Join the Marines, Get Free Stuff!"  Disgusting!

According to the article.....

"Rupprecht got a late payment notice after his military pay was not put into his account, and once the money was there, the lawsuit states Rupprecht called from Baghdad.
Gafkay says Rupprecht called on a satellite phone in a combat zone, asking Bank of America to reinstate payments and to take the money he owed from his account.  Bank of America refused."

I didn't see the part where he was expecting to have others pay for his car...where was that?

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ORIGINAL: TNstepsout

So all we get is his side.  I don't buy it and I'm sick and tired of the assumption that people should get special consideration because they serve in the military.  It's a job.  They get pay. They get benefits. Yes, it's a dangerous job. Yes, it's a hard job. But it's a job and they should have to live up to their agreements like everyone else.  I think there should be some consideration due to the distance and difficulty of communication, but to excuse them completely from their financial obligations is total BS!

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ORIGINAL: samboct

Having dealt with BOA over a decade ago, I find this type of screwup perfectly plausible- no need to hear from the bank's side.  Because at the end of the day, the soldier has volunteered to put his life on the line and IS entitled to some special consideration.  (And I have been adamantly opposed to the Iraq war from the beginning.)  But that's a human judgement- not a computer generated one.

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ORIGINAL: TNstepsout

Why shouldn't soldiers have to pay bills? He is getting paid for what he does, isn't he? It's not like he's a volunteer.  That's what I find appalling. Maybe if fewer people defaulted on their obligations, the banks wouldn't have needed a bailout in the first place!  So now my tax dollars are not only paying his salary, but they are going to bail out banks because people like him don't take their responsibilities seriously.  What makes him so special that he shouldn't have to pay his bills? Who's next? Police, firefighters, doctors, nurses, people who do volunteer work?

I don't know why there are laws to protect servicemen who default on loans. I guess it's a perk to get people to enlist. They should change their tagline from "The Few, The Proud, The Marines" to "Join the Marines, Get Free Stuff!"  Disgusting!

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy
So when diffusing bombs, going on combat, shooting up the enemy, the sarge is expected to STOP that- and deal with a petty matter like this?
His body is on the line for your freedom. 

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I don't know why there are laws to protect servicemen who default on loans. I guess it's a perk to get people to enlist. They should change their tagline from "The Few, The Proud, The Marines" to "Join the Marines, Get Free Stuff!" Disgusting!

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TN

1)  Calling from a battlezone is irrelevant- he shouldn't have had to-
2)  If the bank does anything resembling due diligence which they should when handing out their money, they should know he's a soldier.  You're right- it's possible he lied about that.  What are the odds?
3) Due diligence means getting accurate information.  If it were your own money, would you loan it out as willy nilly as banks have?  How about the deluge of credit card offers that we used to get- including some for 4 year old children and housepets?  Are you suggesting that just this once, BOA did everything right?
4)  Being behind 6-8 months is excused by reason that he's in a battlefield and the bank is expected to show leniency under these circumstances.  You square things up when he's home.

While normally I agree with you about hearing two sides to an issue, on this one you've got to grasp at straws.  Yes, there is a possibility that the bank did nothing wrong here.  There's also a possibility that I might go on a date with Pamela Anderson tomw. night.  Neither one is very likely.

Sam

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Why shouldn't soldiers have to pay bills? He is getting paid for what he does, isn't he? It's not like he's a volunteer.  That's what I find appalling. Maybe if fewer people defaulted on their obligations, the banks wouldn't have needed a bailout in the first place!  So now my tax dollars are not only paying his salary, but they are going to bail out banks because people like him don't take their responsibilities seriously.  What makes him so special that he shouldn't have to pay his bills? Who's next? Police, firefighters, doctors, nurses, people who do volunteer work?

I don't know why there are laws to protect servicemen who default on loans. I guess it's a perk to get people to enlist. They should change their tagline from "The Few, The Proud, The Marines" to "Join the Marines, Get Free Stuff!"  Disgusting!

Seems like you didn't need to hear both sides here, In fact you seem pretty sure that he is some low life who doesn't take responsibility seriously and doesn't want to pay his bills. Good thing you wait for all the facts to make an desicion.

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I don't know why there are laws to protect servicemen who default on loans. I guess it's a perk to get people to enlist. They should change their tagline from "The Few, The Proud, The Marines" to "Join the Marines, Get Free Stuff!" Disgusting!

I have yet to meet the Marine, sailor, soldier, or airman who enlisted either to gain protection from their debts or to get "free stuff."--not while I wore the Eagle, Globe, and Anchor nor any time since then.

"Disgusting" is an excellent adjective--for describing the belief that those in uniform are little more than deadbeats who welch on their debts.

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Banks don't default after one missed payment and I think there is more going on here.

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

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I don't know why there are laws to protect servicemen who default on loans. I guess it's a perk to get people to enlist. They should change their tagline from "The Few, The Proud, The Marines" to "Join the Marines, Get Free Stuff!" Disgusting!

I have yet to meet the Marine, sailor, soldier, or airman who enlisted either to gain protection from their debts or to get "free stuff."--not while I wore the Eagle, Globe, and Anchor nor any time since then.

"Disgusting" is an excellent adjective--for describing the belief that those in uniform are little more than deadbeats who welch on their debts.

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TN

1)  Calling from a battlezone is irrelevant- he shouldn't have had to-
2)  If the bank does anything resembling due diligence which they should when handing out their money, they should know he's a soldier.  You're right- it's possible he lied about that.  What are the odds?
3) Due diligence means getting accurate information.  If it were your own money, would you loan it out as willy nilly as banks have?  How about the deluge of credit card offers that we used to get- including some for 4 year old children and housepets?  Are you suggesting that just this once, BOA did everything right?
4)  Being behind 6-8 months is excused by reason that he's in a battlefield and the bank is expected to show leniency under these circumstances.  You square things up when he's home.

While normally I agree with you about hearing two sides to an issue, on this one you've got to grasp at straws.  Yes, there is a possibility that the bank did nothing wrong here.  There's also a possibility that I might go on a date with Pamela Anderson tomw. night.  Neither one is very likely.

Sam

So you can't buy a car then enlist? If you know what it takes to find out if someone is enlisted then you'd know it's not that simple. If he bought the car, owned it for a year, then enlisted and went active, how's the bank to know? They aren't magicians.

Why should he get a free pass for 6-8 months? Where is his money going during that time?