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pahunkboy -> Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/2/2008 8:01:53 AM)

http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2008/07/google_says_pri.html;jsessionid=1WGWHXPQ2N2R0QSNDLPSKHSCJUNN2JVN

This creeps me out.  I like Google and all. But one day- I was able to check for my sisters vehicle on a turn off that she would passs comming home from work. It gave pause to think- OMG- if someone was after this girl they could nab her.




BlueSpirit -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/2/2008 8:08:19 AM)

http://www.cuil.com/search?q=porn

yep new search engine works just the same for me as the old one but wait what is this...

quote:


Welcome to Cuil—the world’s biggest search engine. The Internet has grown. We think it’s time search did too.
The Internet has grown exponentially in the last fifteen years but search engines have not kept up—until now. Cuil searches more pages on the Web than anyone else—three times as many as Google and ten times as many as Microsoft.
Rather than rely on superficial popularity metrics, Cuil searches for and ranks pages based on their content and relevance. When we find a page with your keywords, we stay on that page and analyze the rest of its content, its concepts, their inter-relationships and the page’s coherency.
Then we offer you helpful choices and suggestions until you find the page you want and that you know is out there. We believe that analyzing the Web rather than our users is a more useful approach, so we don’t collect data about you and your habits, lest we are tempted to peek. With Cuil, your search history is always private.
Cuil is an old Irish word for knowledge. For knowledge, ask Cuil.




pahunkboy -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/2/2008 8:15:17 AM)

Blue that was not an appropriate reply.




marieToo -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/2/2008 8:16:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2008/07/google_says_pri.html;jsessionid=1WGWHXPQ2N2R0QSNDLPSKHSCJUNN2JVN

This creeps me out.  I like Google and all. But one day- I was able to check for my sisters vehicle on a turn off that she would passs comming home from work. It gave pause to think- OMG- if someone was after this girl they could nab her.



Well, anyone can "nab" anyone else if they wanted to.  Every day that we leave our home, or our jobs or whatever, someone could be following or watching.  I never understood what all the hoopla was about with this kind of stuff.  I don't see any more danger in this than I do in any other type of situation in which people can and do know who I am.




BlueSpirit -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/2/2008 8:19:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy
Blue that was not an appropriate reply.


Your choice who you use as your window on the world why do you all use the same one and then moan about how powerful and unreasonable it has become?




pahunkboy -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/2/2008 8:21:20 AM)

I wiithdraw my reply. It at first looked like exclusevly spam.  I apoligise.




abcbsex -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/2/2008 8:51:15 AM)

that's why anything I want private has nothing to do with my real name or the screen names I use regularly. this profile, for example. The journal in my signature link shows up nowhere on the radar, because I've deliberately made it that way. People who want privacy need to be proactive. I think it's kind of ridiculous that the couple sued over their house being on the street view of google maps... I mean, people must drive past them all the time then. There's no sign saying, "Mr and Mrs. So-and-So live here!" is there? People put their addresses in the phone book, don't they? why isn't anyone suing the phone book publishers? I mean, I could look them up in that book and go right to their house! and call them at the same time! Same idea, why does it matter if the technology is different?

and that other search engine posted gave me nothing relevant when I searched for my real name, though I have a photography page that gets hits from google all the time




BlueSpirit -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/2/2008 8:57:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: abcbsex
that other search engine posted gave me nothing relevant when I searched for my real name, though I have a photography page that gets hits from google all the time


That's definitely the acid test, if it finds you or not. What was I thinking?

As to privacy I'll tell you the same thing as I told that Indian caller earlier: I now live down the road at my friends house.




pahunkboy -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/2/2008 8:58:03 AM)

before county records went to computerized one could look up the floor plan to any house.  I was disappointed since I wanted to learn the original plan on this place.

The point on the OP is that we as a culture have not decided what is public and what is private.  Walmart for instance wont allow pics in the store yet they photgraph the shopper- and now with cell phones everytrhing is cam-able.

I doubt the lawsuit will amount to anything.  But we are the pioneers as to what in 100 years teck is all abouit. we- you and I are writing those rules now.





abcbsex -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/2/2008 9:25:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BlueSpirit

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ORIGINAL: abcbsex
that other search engine posted gave me nothing relevant when I searched for my real name, though I have a photography page that gets hits from google all the time


That's definitely the acid test, if it finds you or not. What was I thinking?

As to privacy I'll tell you the same thing as I told that Indian caller earlier: I now live down the road at my friends house.



you said that it finds what is most relevant... a link to a church in england is not relevant to my whole name when there are sites out there that have it. I'm just using my name as an example because maybe some people have businesses that get hits through google, so why is there a need for another search engine?




stef -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/2/2008 9:51:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

I like Google and all. But one day- I was able to check for my sisters vehicle on a turn off that she would passs comming home from work. It gave pause to think- OMG- if someone was after this girl they could nab her.

Nonsense.  Since Google doesn't give you access to any real-time imagery, you weren't able to check for your sisters vehicle, nor would anyone else be able to for nefarious purposes.

~stef




Daddystouch -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/2/2008 10:04:23 AM)

Google said 'absolute privacy' does not exist'. Google did not say that privacy did not exist end of. Since everyone has some aspect of their lives (most commonly their house) visible from space, they are surely correct.

Also, Google has no live satelite or street-view feeds so you cannot 'check' for things like your sister driving driving down a road.




pahunkboy -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/2/2008 10:07:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Daddystouch

Google said 'absolute privacy' does not exist'. Google did not say that privacy did not exist end of. Since everyone has some aspect of their lives (most commonly their house) visible from space, they are surely correct.

Also, Google has no live satelite or street-view feeds so you cannot 'check' for things like your sister driving driving down a road.



I dont know. I did watch a protest in Washington DC via traffic cam.  The TV did not cover it- but I seen it.




Daddystouch -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/2/2008 10:34:43 AM)

A Google traffic cam? Or just a traffic cam?




pahunkboy -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/2/2008 10:38:32 AM)

It wasnt google




Termyn8or -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/2/2008 10:51:38 AM)

It's a matter of not worrying about it. It's like when I told the cop I had a joint in my cigarette pack and they did not search my car (no further commonet on that at this time). What I mean is, you are watched.

But what does that mean ? There are 300 million people in this country, are 150 million of them employed to watch the rest ? I think not, even though it may seem so. How many people could you watch ? Hell hiow many kids could you watch, get up to like five of them you won't have a clue what is going on.

The problem comes when you become a target. That is when everything you ever said on the net and who knows where else bites you in the ass. How do you become a target ? There are plenty of ways, if completely clean, tell the cops to go fuck off. Or you could win against a criminal prosecution, and I don't mean buy your way out of it. Or you can file with the IRS and get yourself declared a non-taxpayer. At that point everything you have ever said is evidence against you, for what ? Don't ask me, but if you go to a library and tell them you want a book of ALL the laws of this country, they will look at you like you are some kind of nut.

Selective enforcement is one of the tools they use to maintain political control. What do you think would happen if someone like me were elected President ? They can't let that happen. I would destroy them. Who are they ? The PTB.

Forget about your home and hearth being your castle, those days are over. I can tell you about people the PTB knows nothing about, they do not have internet service.

This is 2008 people, and we just don't have the privacy that we think is our right. Get used to it. The main thing is not to become a target. They can't see if you are smoking a joint on Friday night, but they can drug test you on Monday.

An old mountain type Man told me in the old days in a town, if people saw your olady walking around all bruised up, they would give you a warning. I don't remember exactly but I think the warning was some Women's underwear burnt on your porch. If you kept beating your Wife they would take you out and you get your ass kicked really really bad, and they didn't fuck around. So where was the privacy even back then ?

Which brings up the point, how much privacy do people deserve ? The privacy to beat your Woman half to death (not in a good way), to rape your daughters, and who knows what else ? There is so much malfeasance going on in the world, so much bad, should it be hidden ?

There is alot more to this issue than what Google says. Privacy in your own home, but to do what ? I have changed over the years and in a way lost my respect for people. That's why I am not shy. There are so many people who are really sickos, and that's what they think we are, but I don't know what level of privacy people deserve.

That doesn't mean I think the PTB are taking the right approach. If I got pissed off and decided to rob a bank, think I would tell you ? Hell no. They think there may be an email from Pakistan or something saying "The bombs are located at " or something like that. This is simply not true.

For example, would someone post "I beat my kid up so bad that he'sin the hospital, and the olady went along with the story because she didn't want another black eye" ? Of course not. It happens, but we are not going to hear about it. So what are they expecting to find ?

"Mother Theresa arrived today and is staying over the taco place". That could mean a suitcase nuke, and only the recipient of the email knows where "the taco place" is. They think they are going to trace the IP and search all the taco places near the recipient.

Of course actually finding something like that would be a feather in their cap, but it has never happened. The only thing they seem to have done any good watching the internet was to bust some child molesters. And they couldn't even catch them in the act because the twelve year old girl was really a forty year old off duty cop with an internet addiction.

But if you think about it, it is alot dirtier. The guy looking for a kid, and someone posing as a kid. It is nasty. Both are liars. We may herald the actions of these officers who do this, but they still had to lie to do it. And they did. Revealing the truth would let the predator get loose. So they are reduced to lying.

This is what we have come to.

T




BlueSpirit -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/2/2008 11:17:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: abcbsex
you said that it finds what is most relevant...

I didn't say that the quote did.
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a link to a church in england is not relevant to my whole name when there are sites out there that have it.

Logic dictates that those results will be relevant to someone conducting the same search as you but for other reasons. Unless your thinking is the results are completely random?
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I'm just using my name as an example because maybe some people have businesses that get hits through google,

I'm sure they do.
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so why is there a need for another search engine?

Any kind of monopoly is unhealthy for the consumer. I tend to think the more diverse the sector the more money they will spend on trying to get the engine to return better results rather than on their intrusive advertising arm or gmail services for spam delivery.





DomKen -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/2/2008 11:25:04 AM)

What this dumbass couple is suing over is the google street view image of the outside of their home, as taken from a vehicle driving legallydown the street. Does anybody really think they can legally prevent someone from taking a photo and displaying it along with the location it was taken at?

Google is pretty protective of actual privacy concerns. Don't like your home addy and phone number coming up in searches then contact them and they'll remove it. Google uses fairly sophisticated technology to not index to sites that try and dump spyware on any browser that hits the page. Remember all those dodgy sites that claimed to be installing cursor images? That was spyware. It's gone away because Google doesn't index those pages and therefore they don't show up in searches.




petdave -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/2/2008 11:34:35 AM)

Privacy only exists to a certain degree. No one will ever know *everything* about me.

Google, or any other search engine, doesn't bother me.
Credit reporting agencies bother me.




BlueSpirit -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/2/2008 11:49:41 AM)

All that really annoys me is people I've done business with passing on my details to third parties so that they can phone me up constantly offering things to me.




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