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Termyn8or -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/2/2008 12:55:13 PM)

DK, interestingly, the Cleveland, Ohio "cityscape" is copyrighted. If you take a picture or even make a reproduction of it you must pay royalties.

Whaddya think of that ?

T




LondonArt -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/2/2008 12:56:57 PM)

The problem with Cuil is that it's a bit... well, shit. The results page is cluttered and poorly laid out, the search results are frequently irrelevant (though I think the first result for http://www.cuil.com/search?q=fucking is quite handy), the little bit of blurb and image presented with each site are often entirely arbitrary and poor for describing the page. Couple that with the lack of integrated features (spelling suggestions? unit converter and calculator? image search?) and it just really falls flat as a potential "Google Killer".

Oh, and I hate the name. Cool, spelled Cuil? No. Just no.




Daddystouch -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/2/2008 1:21:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BlueSpirit

Any kind of monopoly is unhealthy for the consumer.



This is not necessarily true. Monopoly power is a fairly well known economic concept, what is less well known is that of contestability. A contestable market may appear to be monopolistic in that it is dominated by a single firm, but actually function like a competetive market. This occurs when new firms can easily enter and leave the market - if the monopolist were to act like a true monopolist and start earning abnormal (monopoly) profit then new firms would enter the market and compete away that profit. Thus, the monopolist is forced to act like a competetive firm lest he leave an opening for competitors.




hisannabelle -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/2/2008 1:42:02 PM)

-fr-

i love google's satellite images, specifically because it's fun to look at places i've never been before since i can't afford to start world travelin' just yet. i use google maps pretty often for my job (which is with another search engine company). coincidentally, that job has pretty much convinced me that privacy, while it may exist, is limited. for me, that's the price of globalization. you cannot support technology at the level that we have now without expecting that information about you is available for mass consumption...including pictures or satellite images of where you live. satellite imaging of one's house is pretty standard nowadays - i've only had to use it in my job once, to answer a query someone had about whether there were trees in front of a particular house. and it worked. maybe it's because i live in an apartment complex on the edge of a major university...but i don't expect that pictures of where i live won't end up on the internet.

a'ishah.




DomKen -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/2/2008 5:10:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

DK, interestingly, the Cleveland, Ohio "cityscape" is copyrighted. If you take a picture or even make a reproduction of it you must pay royalties.

Whaddya think of that ?

T

I don't think so. The cleveland "skyline" or "citscape" or whatever isn't something that can be copyrighted. Copyright only protects specific works. A photo or a novel is copyrighted an abstract thing like a skyline cannot be so protected. If someone is claiming to control such a piece of IP I'd love to see a reference.




pahunkboy -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/2/2008 8:01:08 PM)

I think I overtrimmed the shrubbery today.




farglebargle -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/3/2008 12:28:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

DK, interestingly, the Cleveland, Ohio "cityscape" is copyrighted. If you take a picture or even make a reproduction of it you must pay royalties.

Whaddya think of that ?

T

I don't think so. The cleveland "skyline" or "citscape" or whatever isn't something that can be copyrighted. Copyright only protects specific works. A photo or a novel is copyrighted an abstract thing like a skyline cannot be so protected. If someone is claiming to control such a piece of IP I'd love to see a reference.



The City of Cleveland ( ain't that "The Mistake By The Lake?" ) had better have made sure to license the distinctive images of the individual buildings in the city, or they might find themselves infringing on others' copyright privileges.

It's turtles all the way down...




farglebargle -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/3/2008 12:33:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

What this dumbass couple is suing over is the google street view image of the outside of their home, as taken from a vehicle driving legallydown the street. Does anybody really think they can legally prevent someone from taking a photo and displaying it along with the location it was taken at?

Google is pretty protective of actual privacy concerns. Don't like your home addy and phone number coming up in searches then contact them and they'll remove it. Google uses fairly sophisticated technology to not index to sites that try and dump spyware on any browser that hits the page. Remember all those dodgy sites that claimed to be installing cursor images? That was spyware. It's gone away because Google doesn't index those pages and therefore they don't show up in searches.



Yes/No/Maybe.

The original article indicates that the issue at question involves a Google Street View vehicle rolling along a road with a sign "Private Property/No Trespassing/Private Road" sort of thing.

*I* think in this instance, the complainant got their head up their ass. If their privacy was REALLY important to them, the would have invested in this thing called a "Gate" which is used to physically prevent access to roads which are off limits.

In the interests of economy, a "Chain" or "Cable" with a reflective triangle would likely have been more than adequate.





BlueSpirit -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/3/2008 3:18:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LondonArt
The problem with Cuil is that it's a bit... well, shit. The results page is cluttered and poorly laid out, the search results are frequently irrelevant (though I think the first result for http://www.cuil.com/search?q=fucking is quite handy), the little bit of blurb and image presented with each site are often entirely arbitrary and poor for describing the page.

I've not really used it that much in all honesty but was just indicating it as an alternative with an apparently different ethos. I'd suggest that to find more relevant results you should use it in a more realistic way. One word searches aren’t going to yield good results.
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Couple that with the lack of integrated features (spelling suggestions? unit converter and calculator? image search?) and it just really falls flat as a potential "Google Killer".

I could give you links to far more powerful unit converters and I have a scientific calculator on my desk, simple sums I can do in my head or on paper. The spelling suggestion feature is quite a powerful addition to Google but sadly just as calculators stopped people having any mathematical ability the spell checker on Google is making people unable to spell simple words. There was a thread here not long ago about how Google was damaging peoples brains because it does everything for you.
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Oh, an
d I hate the name. Cool, spelled Cuil? No. Just no.


I've never liked the American pronunciation of most words and Buffy type language really annoys me. My bad.  Cuil was probably a marketing idea and the fact it means knowledge in some old language is neither here nor there we all know why they choose it. Sadly who is going to remember how to spell it in a week from now? They should have choose something that would have become easily engrained on the mind the way Google has been.




Termyn8or -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/3/2008 11:14:22 AM)

Test :

What does the word google actually mean ? No wiki no nothing, just say it.(no cheating)

Anyone up to it ?

T




stef -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/3/2008 11:20:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

What does the word google actually mean?

Until the creation of the company, it didn't mean anything.  It's a play on a misspelling.

~stef




christine1 -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/3/2008 11:32:38 AM)

 what comes to mind is "googly" eyes. 




Termyn8or -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/3/2008 1:02:07 PM)

You both flunked.

google : noun ; a number too large to be expressed, even with exponents.

It was invented by a mathemetician in the eighties, or possibly by one of his kids.

"the name is "a play on the word googol, which was coined by Milton Sirotta, nephew of American mathematician Edward Kasner, and was popularized in the book, Mathematics and the Imagination by Kasner and James Newman."

from

http://www.ecademy.com/node.php?id=102327

You people inspire me. Because I know you like cites and quotes I went and looked. Actually it was not the easiest thing in the world to find. But I was driven ! :-)

That's cool though, because I had forgotten that the word used to be spelled googol. We might say that it is a different word now because of that but the similarity indicates that it was intentional when they made up the word "google".

But now I have not actually Googled for the term 'googol' , so I don't know what they would come up with.

But I simply can't remember everything. I have to remember too much as it is. I have to remember that the current gain of a 2SC5150 is the same as a 2SC5148, but it still drops off. So it's use is contraindicated in units that can't supply the necessary drive current. It may overheat because of dv/dt problems because the load is inductive.

I wish I were a roofer. I have to remember so much shit I think I forgot my name a few times but but I can't remember it happening.

Take that as a joke, that is how I meant it. But the thing is, Google knows everything because the software remembers everything. EVERYTHING.

Got an online business and want more hits ? I can tell you how to do that. All you have to know is the right search string to put into Google. And that speads to other supposed search engines because most of them go through Google. They do cache and analyze pages.

So say your URL is pimky* dot com, and your products are whatever they are. Well first of all your webmaster should have put all the keywords in the proper place in the code for the page. Then you search for your page, using the full URL, and the product. Whatever product it is. Then you can get ten friends doing it. Do it every day. In time you come to the top of the list if enough people do it. Note that you must click on the link that Google provides on the results page every time for this to work.

*I meant pinky, but I let that stand because it illustrates the point all the more

The best way to cope with the privacy situation is to consider this : when you are on the internet you are in public. If that doesn't cover all the bases I don't what could.

Like when you see a profile and someone intrigues you and you send them a message, how different is that than walking up to a Woman in a bar or restaurant or something ? Well it might be different in degree, because at the time you don't have to be showered and clean shaven or whatever. But it is in essence the same thing.

Anyway, I might have a look at that cuil thing, but believe me, I am going to be looking for a "Powered by Google" banner at the bottom. You'll find that in quite a few search engines.

But the thing to realize is, the internet is not an alternative to the media, it IS the media. In seven months TVs will no longer work without a box. I am not going to bother, and I will just give my coupons away.

Message boards like this are like writing to the newspaper, but they publish EVERY letter. It doesn't bother me, because I kniow how to make my life private, all I have to do is shut the PC down.

Maybe the internet should be considered a world. You got your time online of course in this world, but everybody has to go back to the other world to work, eat, things like that.

T




LDRandAstarte -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/3/2008 1:55:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

You both flunked.

google : noun ; a number too large to be expressed, even with exponents.



That would be a Googol;
A googol is the large number 10 exp 100, that is, the digit 1 followed by one hundred zeros (in decimal representation). The term was coined in 1938[1] by Milton Sirotta (1929–1980), nephew of American mathematician Edward Kasner. Milton was nine years old at the time. Kasner popularized the concept in his book Mathematics and the Imagination (1940).  

Reference - Kasner, Edward and James Newman, Mathematics and the Imagination, 1940, Simon and Schuster, New York. ISBN 0-486-41703-4

Also the concept of a number that is too big to express even with exponential notation, other then infinity, which has it's own symbol, is ridiculous, and makes the one who says such a thing sound like an idiot.





GreedyTop -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/3/2008 2:11:11 PM)

and the song about googly eyes has been around A LOT longer than the internet ;) 




stef -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/3/2008 3:39:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

google : noun ; a number too large to be expressed, even with exponents.

No, that's a googol, albeit a totally incorrect definition of the word.  A googol is not too large to be expressed and easily represented by exponents as 10 to the 100th power.  I don't know where you got that definition, but I would stop using them as a source of reference material if I were you.

Google didn't exist before Brin and Page created it as a play on the word googol to reflect "the company's mission to organize the immense, seemingly infinite amount of information available on the web."

It's sad when a person can't even pass their own test.  Epic fail on your part.

~stef




Vendaval -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/3/2008 5:14:31 PM)

In the era of electronic record keeping much of your information can be found somewhere somehow by somebody determined enough to find it.




Termyn8or -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/4/2008 8:23:39 PM)

To the hundredth power means shit. When you start talking about how many angstroms there are in a light year, you are getting there.

T




Vendaval -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/4/2008 11:03:09 PM)

I take it that you were replying to stef?




LDRandAstarte -> RE: Google Says Privacy Doesn't Exist, Get Used To Everyone Knowing Everything About You (8/5/2008 12:27:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

To the hundredth power means shit. When you start talking about how many angstroms there are in a light year, you are getting there.

T


Indeed, since an Angstrom is one ten-billionth (1/10,000,000,000) of a meter. you are "getting there".
But when you start talking about talking about how many Plank lengths(1.6 X 10^-35), about one-somefuckin'illionth
(1/100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000) of a meter, in that same light year (5,865,696,000,000 miles), you have arrived!!!


edited to fix a misplaced comma




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