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RE: The DOM Trap - 7/22/2008 4:39:37 AM   
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It doesn't seem as if the op is asking for advice on how to live his life <swats the beautiful dark, but caringly> nor on how to handle relationships.

I wouldn't call it a "trap" but I think many people sigh deeply at the difficulty of meeting somone who could be the perfect partner. There's not a tick-list we use to assess a person's merits; it's just that sometimes the mysterious chemistry is there, usually it's not. So we all have friends, some of them very close friends, and many of us hop into bed with partners and have fun, sometimes really good fun. And most of us (all of us?) sub and dom alike have a huge capacity for giving love.

But bumping into that magic which tells you that you've met a lover, not just a friend, the magic which makes you go all weak at the knees when she's with you, which makes you go all silly because a song says everything you feel about her, that is a distinctly rare event.

I'm with the op's lottery analogy - the chances of finding love are small for all of us. And of course the more people one meets the better the chances. But given the maths that all people are people, but that only some people enjoy bdsm, then we do of course reduce those chances further.

So I'm with you, op, in sighing a deep and wistful sigh. Those of you who've found love together, with the huge bonus of a loving bdsm relationship, spare a thought for the majority of us here who haven't yet (let's be optimistic and say "yet") found our twue and weal partners. 


(At this point it would help if a quartet of violinists could begin to play, softly and sadly please; music with that yearning quality which makes your heart ache for what can seem unattainable).

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RE: The DOM Trap - 7/22/2008 7:09:17 AM   
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So I'm with you, op, in sighing a deep and wistful sigh.

My solution is to make great friends.  I'm not an easy person to have a relationship with.  I travel a lot, I'm even more take-no-shit in real life than I am in my posts, and I'm a vegetarian for Crissake.  I have had a couple women in my life who were truly, madly, deeply in love with me -- but they were vanilla, and we weren't willing/able to make that work over the long haul.

If it helps any, most married couples are habituated to be not-alone with each other, instead of miraculously attached to their One And Only.  I'm too much of a maximalist to accept such a situation.  And, in the final analysis, I look at it this way: if I died tomorrow, I think a lot of people would come to my funeral, and tell stories about how much it meant to them that I did X thing.  That's more valuable to the world than whether I wake up every morning next to the woman who gets my mojo working.

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RE: The DOM Trap - 7/22/2008 7:24:49 AM   
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To the OP: it's certainly not only Doms that experience this.  I agree with what some of the posts have said about compromise.  Yet, if I am reading You right-what You are saying is that without a certain level of compatibility in both the D/s AND vanilla aspects of life You are never going to be content in a relationship.  Makes perfect sense to me and I have always felt the same way.    

However, lamenting the fact that it has taken six years is not going to help You any.  Just realize that what You seek is rare and elusive- and well worth the wait.  But, don't make the mistake that I did.  Live Your life to the fullest while You are searching.  Enjoy the moment, and each experience for what it is, instead of despairing what it's not.  Your life may end up looking a lot different than what You expect, but that's not necessarily a bad thing either.  You may one day realize that what You find along the journey is even more precious than what You set off to find in the first place.   

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RE: The DOM Trap - 7/22/2008 4:16:35 PM   
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"You might wake up some morning
To the sound of something moving past your window in the wind
And if you're quick enough to rise you'll catch the fleeting glimpse of someone's fading shadow
Out on a new horizon
You may see the floating motion of a distant pair of wings
And if the sleep has left your ears you might hear footsteps running through an open meadow
Don't be concerned, it will not harm you
It's only me pursuing something I'm not sure of
Across my dreams, with nets of wonder
I chase the bright elusive butterfly of love..."

Bob Lind, 'Elusive Butterfly' (1966)

So the elusive butterfly is that 'traditional vanilla romantic relationship and a red hot dom sub relationship behind closed doors'?

You know it always makes me wonder about these people looking for perfection in others, just how perfect are they themselves? How much do they themselves measure up? And to be honest if you're looking for that rare woman for a 'red hot' relationship in the bedroom then you're probably a teenager, at least mentally.

I'm going to give an additional perspective here, my own as a transgendered female. I get hit upon with varying frequency by men, and yes, I've tried the transgendered dating sites frequented by a lot of men looking for the above. The thing is the offers are all the same, a stable home, I will treat you 'like a woman' (erm, well actually I am a woman - only I'm transgendered, but if you really want to be specific I'm a genetic hermaphrodite) and they offer the same 'vanilla romance' but expect the same 'red hot' sexual relationship. Only there's zero tolerance when it comes to anything they deem out of 'femininity', they're not interested in how I feel, the difficulties I have to cope with in life, it's really nothing more than a fantasy fulfillment exercise to them, to me it's my life.

I have to be honest here and admit that I pick up the same vibes as the 'admirers'. The off-putting part is that the whole relationship has already been decided and the standards set. Does it really matter then if it's a blonde named Claire or a brunette called Suzanne, as long as she is able to meet both the standards and expectations?

This isn't a Dom Trap at all, it's nothing than a maximum security prison created by the OP in his own mind to which he has sentenced himself to indefinitely on pain of release of this mythical ideal woman.

This isn't something which is rare either. I would assume that everyone here reading this has experienced loneliness, rejection and even fear of getting into a relationship at some point. If you think being a male Dom excludes you from being in a relationship try being overweight, submissive, transgendered, intersexed, the only gay in the village, I could go on - there's as many reasons for loneliness as there are people. Ever tried to find yourself in a relationship when you're a single woman with two young UMs to bring up?

But some people stay lonely, and they stay lonely for just one reason - that they have decided that they have not met their 'match', or 'ideal' person. Their choice. But you know the saddest thing in life to me is to be there lying on your deathbed and having regrets about what was or wasn't in your life.

Most relationships are a total crap shoot anyway.. they are transient, many end in failure, and even more don't start through failure. I look back on my life and much of what I see can be described as failures, misunderstandings, things not working out, broken relationships, and so much more. But all along I had good intentions. But then again there have been successes, good times, things I've learned, people I've got to know and things I have achieved.

I sometimes have a theory that the first few years in a relationship you're either learning to be a better partner and helping your partner be the same just in case the relationship falls apart. I've always wanted to be in a stable relationship, but I've probably never been in one (or if I have I haven't realised it), and I'm assuming that a stable relationship becomes one by definition with either the right person or after so many years.

I'm in no way physically attractive, I'm transgendered, but this doesn't stop me from going out and living, having friends, getting into relationships or even developing my own theatre. I've been working on a play for about four months now, there's been numerous cast changes, restarts and some weeks I didn't think it was going to come off, but now I'm pretty confident it will open in September here in London.

You see nobody comes with a ready made relationship.. I'm not saying go out there and find the first person you see, but you've got to accept that the only thing you're looking for is the potential for a lasting relationship and it all starts from there, step by step, and you work it out together, and you keep working it out together until one or both of you decides you don't want to. This isn't magic.

But yes, trying to find your ideal partner there and then is like buying a lottery ticket, or to me like sitting there waiting for a miracle to happen. I'd go out, meet people, make friends, and be 'available'.

You will probably never meet your ideal person, but you might end up with someone who comes close enough if you give them a chance.

No sense in walking round with a frame without a picture. First find the painting, appreciate the beauty, then make the frame. Or better still buy a fresh canvas and fresh oils and paint the picture yourselves.

ETA final thoughts and check for typos.

< Message edited by stella41b -- 7/22/2008 4:19:53 PM >


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RE: The DOM Trap - 7/22/2008 5:12:35 PM   
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The trap may be made worse by mindset.  You might want to consider your day to day contacts.  Is there someone you are attracted to?  Have you considered if that attraction may be because of more than your typical list of reasons, i.e. that person may have submissive tendencies?  If not someone you know now, keep in mind that someone you come across may be a good fit.

You don't necessarily need to meet someone in the scene.  Even when you meet someone, if they seem to be submissive, you could get to know them and explore with them without ever mentioning dom, sub, slave, kink or any of the other terms.  You might just find what you seek under your nose.

Good luck

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RE: The DOM Trap - 7/22/2008 7:54:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sundowner
There's not a tick-list we use to assess a person's merits; it's just that sometimes the mysterious chemistry is there, usually it's not.


Why not have a tick-list to assess a person's merits?  When you're figuring out whether or not to buy that house or take that job - things that will have a big affect on your life - you consider a lot of objective and subjective criteria and think about how that house or job will fit the life you're trying to build for yourself.  Why not apply that same scrutiny to a partner search? 

I think that this is exactly how most people mess up when looking for a partner.  A partner has a lot bigger affect on one's life than a house or a job, but a lot of people put more thought into choosing an ISP than they do into choosing a spouse.  It completely baffles me.  You wouldn't rely on something as nebulous as "chemistry" in making other major life decisions, why would you rely on it for this most vital of decisions?


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RE: The DOM Trap - 7/23/2008 9:28:49 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MmeGigs

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sundowner
There's not a tick-list we use to assess a person's merits; it's just that sometimes the mysterious chemistry is there, usually it's not.


Why not have a tick-list to assess a person's merits? When you're figuring out whether or not to buy that house or take that job - things that will have a big affect on your life - you consider a lot of objective and subjective criteria and think about how that house or job will fit the life you're trying to build for yourself. Why not apply that same scrutiny to a partner search?

I think that this is exactly how most people mess up when looking for a partner. A partner has a lot bigger affect on one's life than a house or a job, but a lot of people put more thought into choosing an ISP than they do into choosing a spouse. It completely baffles me. You wouldn't rely on something as nebulous as "chemistry" in making other major life decisions, why would you rely on it for this most vital of decisions?




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I'll sit on your face and tell you that I love you too
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You blow my away...."


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I actually think that people mess up precisely because they go for the tick list and the photoimage perfect look, which from a certain perspective is something I find to be elitist and fascist anyway, but which offers absolutely no guarantee when it comes to a relationship. You're developing a relationship based on appearance and a collection of statements and declarations. This to me makes about as much sense as the Monty Python strategy above.

I mean what would you be ticking off? Okay, they've got a job, they look good, they're height and weight proportionate, they're intelligent, they have a sense of humour, and you can go on and on and on down whatever list you make up based on whatever criteria you like but you will never ever find the actual information you need, their ability to be in a successful relationship with you. You may think you can both have a successful relationship, you may believe this, but this isn't going to be knowledge until you both try and it actually turns out to be reality.

A relationship isn't the same as buying a house, getting a job, or choosing an ISP. "Chemistry" isn't quite so nebulous to those who have experienced it, even in a fleeting, transient relationship, and for them it is perhaps the most essential vital component of the relationship. I happen to agree with Red here in that most married couples are together so as not to be alone rather than having found The One. These are people who have come together not on merit but on mutual understanding and acceptance. There's is a sort of chemistry, and I define chemistry here as more that emotional bond and connection as opposed to the initial attraction and infatuation over someone else.

Would I want to be with anyone who selected me for my merits? No I wouldn't, for I would want to be with someone who accepted me for me, for the person I really am in my entirety. Just the same as I would want to be with someone I can accept in their entirety, for the person they really are. Ticking boxes doesn't help, it only serves to create unrealistic expectations with regard to the other person. There's no way it minimizes any of the risks you take when entering a relationship and to me the only way round those risks is to actually take the time to get to know someone and be with them.

For me relationships tend to break down either through a communication breakdown or when the ensuing reality falls short of those preconceived expectations of the other person. You see this all the time on the boards, for example I'm a collared slave to my Master and have been for the past month. Now he's started bossing me around and telling me what to do and if I don't do what he says he beats me. The thing is I've always been an independent person and....

Also the reality of what I see around me tells me that the tick box approach doesn't work. It's almost as if you're assuming that people who are rich, professional, and attractive are also better in relationships which I don't think is true. Rich people get divorced, those who are beautiful or physically attractive also get rejected, there's tons of professional people who are also lonely.

Relationships happen because two people feel the need to be together, they make the effort to be together, to stay together, and to develop a relationship which keeps them together.

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