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When i was in outside industrial sales, i would always refer to my position as "salesman" and that would prompt people to remark "don't you mean saleswoman or salesperson? To which i would reply, "It's just a name for a job, i should think my gender was both obvious and irrelevent." i honestly feel the need to make everything gender neutral is silly.

But PC has been elevated into a social taunting when a particular group uses descriptors that people outside the group cannot use on pain of some sort of punishment. Barack Obama can refer to his grandmother as "A typical white woman." but if McCain refered to Obama as "A typical mulatto" it would be the end of his run for President.

Back on topic. i am entitled to not accept everything and everybody. i may not be entitled to attack what i do not accept, but i do believe that there are some things that should not be accepted just because someone tries to include them under the umbrella of "kink".

Really?

I recall Obama had to have a few conferences after he said that about his grandmother.

PC isn't about one group using terms to talk about themselves verses another... PC is a political strawman that has been elevated to pseudo-fact.

As I told my nephew when he was using a certain word in public and got the crap beaten out of him -- "They weren't right to beat you up but you need to take responsibility when you use language that offends people. Rather than crying about it, think about the words you are using."

I think too many folks love the idea of being able say whatever they want without any consequences but I don't think that reflects human reality, not now, not ever.

If the fictional PC was an attempt to get people to think about the language they use, then cool, we all could do with a bit more thinking before acting I fear.

As for the people who asked you why you called yourself a salesman... unless they work with you or especially above you, why was it any of their business and what real authority could they have over you? If they were customers I supposed telling them to buzz off would have negative consequences but unless someone in authority was forcing you to call yourself something you didn't want to... why is it a real issue? Did it make you feel bad or less than when asked? Did it make you feel angry or tired? Feelings are consequences but their questions to you may have range in motivation from curiosity to sadism but i doubt it was any real attempt to promote anything called "being PC" because they probably don't have a clue about that entire cultural war BS that they heard bandied about in the mass media.

Umbrella of kink and this fictional PC, as my original attempted to point out, are two very different things. I think we collectively do ourselves a disservice when when try to lump them together.

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When i was in outside industrial sales, i would always refer to my position as "salesman" and that would prompt people to remark "don't you mean saleswoman or salesperson? To which i would reply, "It's just a name for a job, i should think my gender was both obvious and irrelevent." i honestly feel the need to make everything gender neutral is silly.

But PC has been elevated into a social taunting when a particular group uses descriptors that people outside the group cannot use on pain of some sort of punishment. Barack Obama can refer to his grandmother as "A typical white woman." but if McCain refered to Obama as "A typical mulatto" it would be the end of his run for President.

Back on topic. i am entitled to not accept everything and everybody. i may not be entitled to attack what i do not accept, but i do believe that there are some things that should not be accepted just because someone tries to include them under the umbrella of "kink".

Really?

I recall Obama had to have a few conferences after he said that about his grandmother.

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PC isn't about one group using terms to talk about themselves verses another... PC is a political strawman that has been elevated to pseudo-fact.

As I told my nephew when he was using a certain word in public and got the crap beaten out of him -- "They weren't right to beat you up but you need to take responsibility when you use language that offends people. Rather than crying about it, think about the words you are using."

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I think too many folks love the idea of being able say whatever they want without any consequences but I don't think that reflects human reality, not now, not ever.

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If the fictional PC was an attempt to get people to think about the language they use, then cool, we all could do with a bit more thinking before acting I fear.
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Umbrella of kink and this fictional PC, as my original attempted to point out, are two very different things. I think we collectively do ourselves a disservice when when try to lump them together.

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PC isn't about one group using terms to talk about themselves verses another... PC is a political strawman that has been elevated to pseudo-fact.

As I told my nephew when he was using a certain word in public and got the crap beaten out of him -- "They weren't right to beat you up but you need to take responsibility when you use language that offends people. Rather than crying about it, think about the words you are using."

I think too many folks love the idea of being able say whatever they want without any consequences but I don't think that reflects human reality, not now, not ever.

If the fictional PC was an attempt to get people to think about the language they use, then cool, we all could do with a bit more thinking before acting I fear.

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Umbrella of kink and this fictional PC, as my original attempted to point out, are two very different things. I think we collectively do ourselves a disservice when when try to lump them together.

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PC isn't about one group using terms to talk about themselves verses another... PC is a political strawman that has been elevated to pseudo-fact.

As I told my nephew when he was using a certain word in public and got the crap beaten out of him -- "They weren't right to beat you up but you need to take responsibility when you use language that offends people. Rather than crying about it, think about the words you are using."

I disagree. I find it surprising that, in a lifestyle where we are supposed to take responsibility for our actions, you take your nephew to task for his actions with little comment about the more egregious behavior that lies with those who chose to use violence to make their point about language they found offensive rather than laying the sole blame on the one who...since you did not specify...may have only used politically-incorrect language. The language you refer to contrary to what you label as psuedo-fact when in fact, it has become institutionalized...salesperson rather than salesman/woman, a woman who works at home rather than housewife, person of color rather than black man, yellow woman, brown child.

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I think too many folks love the idea of being able say whatever they want without any consequences but I don't think that reflects human reality, not now, not ever.

Really? There was a recent thread on these boards, started by missturbation, that had to do with D/s behavior in public. Several on there stated that they refused to be governed by "society's" rules and would not rein in language such as "fuck" "cunt", etc. in public. They felt that others had little or no right to impose rules on their behavior or their words in a public arena as they felt it was a parent's job...were a child to overhear these words...to teach the child about these words and what they meant with little regard for whether or not it might offend someone. In fact, the rationale seemed to be "if my words/behavior is offensive, then it is up to you to a.) go to the management and complain OR b.) confront me directly OR c.) leave. Yet, your post has me wondering...how many of these same people support politically correct speech and rail against terms they, and certain groups, find offensive?

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If the fictional PC was an attempt to get people to think about the language they use, then cool, we all could do with a bit more thinking before acting I fear.
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Umbrella of kink and this fictional PC, as my original attempted to point out, are two very different things. I think we collectively do ourselves a disservice when when try to lump them together.

That holds true if you believe that PC is fictional...for those of us who believe that there is a problem with PC way of being, both in and out of D/s, it is not.

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Ah, those wonderful little acronyms!  We've done a real disservice to ourselves at times using them.  In some of them (such as PC) the logic is good, but I doubt when it came up, it was never meant to be the end all, be all of everything.

Take, for example, the term politically correct.  Sure, on the surface, this sounds like a wonderful idea.  That everyone will be accepted, no matter what their kinks are in the lifestyle.  How kumbiya of us.

Still, at the same time, it is supposed that *everyone will be accepted*.  No matter how skewed there perceptions are, or what their kinks might be.  Let's really examine that.  How many are perfectly willing to say that YKINMY, but your kink is ok, when it starts talking about animals, or people who are not yet of proper age of consent, or a hundred other things?  Just because this is a kink site, does that mean everything is acceptable?