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ORIGINAL: velvetears

She appeared to me to be faking it.  She was scrunching her eyes seeming to try to squeeze tears out of them. The muscles in her face registered to me more like a smile then distress, in fact turn off the sound and you would be hard pressed to know. 

A rape charge can literally ruin a man's life, as rape can ruin a woman's life as well.  Sometimes you have to weigh things and simply decide to take your lumps when you make poor choices and suck it up. 

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19
You already are not giving validity to this fact. You are physically safer than a woman. Women are violated way more than innocent men are branded rapists. You do not understand the way men enforce their power and let us know there is nothing we can do about it.

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ORIGINAL: Smith117

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19
You already are not giving validity to this fact. You are physically safer than a woman. Women are violated way more than innocent men are branded rapists. You do not understand the way men enforce their power and let us know there is nothing we can do about it.

Women can be raped. Men can and are raped as well. Men can and do have their entire lives ruined because of false allegations. I have yet to hear a single case of a man ruining a woman's life by falsely accusing her of rape. You think it's tough for a female rape victim? Try being a male one and looking at the detective in the eye and telling him that a woman took that power from you and forced that act on you. You want to talk about a tough conversation, that's not even to mention imaging being a guy trying to convince 12 strangers that a woman forced a big, strong, man to do that against his will.

I'd say the ways in which a man's life can be ruined are a bit more numerous than the reverse.

The difference, is I don't hear of any massive changes in the laws to protect men from such things. It's almost to the point now where a woman can "withdraw consent" hours after a one night stand and the guy is still a rapist. That's just wrong. It's trying to fix one problem by going too far in the other direction. I'm just waiting for the time when a man can be charged with rape just by looking at a woman.

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ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro

The evidence has to be looked at as a whole. What are the details? Was it prosecuted or not?

FWIW, I am not saying the girl wasn't raped. I am simply saying that maybe proving that fact to other people becomes a complicated affair. A case has to be mounted coherently. It all has to add up neatly. The standard is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

Here's a hypothetical for you...

A man and a woman go on a date. The date ends with a make-out session that leads to sex. The man is inside the woman when suddenly she says she wants to stop. He decides to finish up anyway, over her objection and repeated protestations. They struggle a little bit, but nothing amounts to meaningful physical evidence. Rape or not?

I say it's rape because the woman specifically asked for the man to stop. But I know many men would say that the woman was being ridiculous and unfair in her expectations. I doubt many would convict if the woman admitted that the facts were as stated above.

Some would argue that you can't rape a spouse - that there is an implicit agreement to allow a spouse physical access to one for the purposes of sexual relations.

It goes on.

You want people to be on your side, but there may be dozens of things that confuse the issue. This isn't really about whether rape took place or not, it's really about whether a jury can be persuaded of that fact.

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19
I am not going to say that never happens but you are taking incidences that are so rare that they are barely documentable and holding it up like its a banner and it is something that happens to Millions of men. It doesnt. 

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19
You cant use rare cases and use that to say women  who report rape are liars.

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ORIGINAL: Bethnai

No, actually I can back that up.  Most often when someone does go to report a rape, they are most often shredded for anything they have ever done.  If it makes it to a jury trial, they want to know was this person ever known to frequent a bar.......alone. Has this person ever been suspected of using drugs? What kind of clothes was this individual wearing? I want to say that study came out of Indianapolis, I might be wrong, and I could be persuaded to look it up.

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ORIGINAL: Bethnai

No.  What you want is for only women who meet the virginal criteria to be able to claim rape.

What I want is for only women who have actually been raped to be able to claim rape.

Not because of what they wear, where they go and what they have done. 

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ORIGINAL: MissMagnolia

Smith, would you like that kind of court case for your Mother if she were raped? Your daughter? Bringing up things that have fuck all to do with the case? Would you sit in court and feel that the justice system was right in rehashing things that happened a long time ago? Things that even a Mother has done? Everyone judging your Mother/daughter and listening to all their past sexual experiences, in graphic detail? Reported in the papers?

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ORIGINAL: Bethnai

Then I guess we are on the same page.