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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/12/2008 12:36:19 PM   
Nosathro


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Status: offline 		What I find funny about Hillary Clinton is now she claims she knows and understands the working class better then anyone else??!!  Her whole life has been one of privilage.  She attended the finest schools and Universities.  She work history has been nothing but working with the Politictians in Washington DC.  She has never waited tables, worried paying bills, worked a second job.  She and Bill have reported a total income  since leaving the White House of over 100 Million Dollars.  That does not include all the other benefits they recieve that in not taxable.
 
Although she now denies it she has stated the the NAFTA was one of the highlights of Bill term as President and she supported it, it cost American jobs.  Why is she now the Champion of the working class?  Well she has state that she has plans to create Health Care Programs and even if you are not a member you pay for it.  Then there is the give every kid born in the US $5,000.00  who is going to pay for it?  What she is really trying do is broden the tax base so the Working Class can be taxed to pay for all her programs, which by the way, the Working Class will not benefit from.

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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/12/2008 12:59:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nosathro, one thing is for sure, *whoever* the next president is they need to Dump Nafta!

And after these last two "YALE" graduates I'd settle for a truckdriver who didn't graduate from high school.

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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/12/2008 2:44:41 PM   
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I would just like to drop in to call attention to that calamitous use of Nietzsche.  Hitler would be proud of you.
yes that's it...i'm any aryan now...sheesh!!!   Hitler admired ..Nietzsche, but perhaps the fact that Nietzsche died in 1900 escapes you.  
        Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner, but when talking about freedom, the Opening of the Declaration of Independence contains some of the most prolific words i can think of.  Sometimes, a good quote can come form a controversial source.  But please, feel free to be the quote police if you'd like...all men are created equal, after all.

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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/12/2008 3:00:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am sorry to say that you misunderstand me almost as much as you do Nietzsche and Hitler.  I don't think either of us will profit greatly from my expatiation of that, though.

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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/12/2008 3:10:20 PM   
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I am sorry to say that you misunderstand me almost as much as you do Nietzsche and Hitler.  I don't think either of us will profit greatly from my expatiation of that, though.
i think you definately misunderstood me...but i am feeling generous.  You're free to explain yourself in cmail anytime.  And i'm not being snarky, at all.  Perhaps you have a point of view i'm overlooking.  After all, i'm damned near perfect, but not all the way...

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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/12/2008 3:19:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		So far the thread has failed to yield one genuine HILLARY supporter.

The difference between Hillary and Obama has revealed itself to be one of style.

Hillary is combative, attacking, political, and somewhat (if not very) divisive. After watching the rancor between the Republicans and her husband, and then how the Republicans installed Bush in the whitehouse --- and forced an elective war down everyone's throat --- she has learned (or believes) that aggresssive (defensive and offensive) political tactics are the way to go. In other words, political success is all about weathering and combating attacks from your opponents (or attacking an opponent to win a political battle.)

Obama is trying to transcend this legacy of partisan rancor --- and has campaigned on the message that the American people are tired of partisan stalemates and destructive political battles --- what John Adams might otherwise refer to as factionalism. Instead, Obama wants to stay positive, inclusive, and building in terms of reaching a political base. So, he will seek (if possible) to establish a working partnership with everyone (Republicans included) to set the agenda in Washington. Obama is trying to use the mood and sentiment of the American people as the benchmark for what policies Washington should target.

In terms of platform, each candidate is similar -- but in terms of strategy they are far apart.

As for the difference between McCain and the Democrats: McCain is much more committed to prosecuting the two wars ad-infinitum. The Democrats want to set up a clear exit strategy for IRAQ and concentrate thereafter on stabilizing Afghanistan. Historically too, the Democrats will be more interested in setting a more fiscally conservative FEDERAL BUDGET.

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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/12/2008 3:37:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Down with Hillary, the lyeing 2-faced bitch, She's done nothing so far, so y make her prez? she's been in the white house before, and ....didn't accomplish anything
been senator of NY and.... hasn't accomplished shit! oh yeah , she has accomplished something. Lies!! 'I will not run for president whie I'm senator this term'
Bullshit!! That's all she's done!!! She will continue the giving away of the US to china. ie Chinagate

Obamma. Ever hear the story of the scorpion and the frog, you know the one where the scopion wants to cross the river, so he askes a frog if he could carry the scorpion
on his back to cross the river, the frog says but you'll sting me, the scorpion says don't be silly, if I sting you, I;ll drown. The frog thinks about it and says your right, jump on.
They get halfway accross the river, and the scorpion stings the frog. the frog scream why'd you do that? now we'll both die! The scorpions reply is: I am a Muslim, er scorpion after all.

alright the story can work for either candidate Muslim, clinton, it's all the same!!!

No I'm not happy with McCaine, but he's the safest of the choices
. I[size=7IT'S TIME TO TAKE OUR GOVERNMENT BACK!!!!

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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/12/2008 3:40:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		The funny thing is Hillary's similarity to her husband's "I will not run if you elect me Governor this term."  He told that lie to the people of Arkansas and then began to campaign immediately after getting elected to his final term in the statehouse.

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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/12/2008 4:49:19 PM   
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Noooo, don't misunderstand me, I don't mean you would be wasting your vote. Hell, I voted for Nader once...., and often wonder about how Perot would have done.


Bet with those radar ears of his he'd have found Saddam's WMDs.....



We probably would have never went into Iraq with him as President.


Probably could have strapped a few SRV's to his back and said "CLEAR THE RUNWAY!!!!!"

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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/12/2008 4:51:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		When you consider their backgrounds, neither Clinton nor Obama have ever experienced the "working class". Neither has ever wondered where tomorrow's groceries were coming from, or left the door in the morning wondering how the bambinos were going to be fed at night. But they both purport to understand "working class" issues.

Sure they do.....

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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/12/2008 5:00:15 PM   
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As for the difference between McCain and the Democrats: McCain is much more committed to prosecuting the two wars ad-infinitum. The Democrats want to set up a clear exit strategy for IRAQ and concentrate thereafter on stabilizing Afghanistan.

The Democrats want to pull up stakes in Iraq and to hell with strategy....then go back in with more troops and more casualties to clean up the mess the hard way. McCain's grasp is keep a stable military presence in a stabilized Iraq, vis-a-vis Germany and South Korea--i.e., he is willing to be realistic about things today, without attempting the homicidal foolishness of turning back the clock to before the invasion of Iraq.

How much you want to bet Hamas and bin Laden are looking for ways (or have found ways) to funnel money to Obama? He's a terrorist's wet dream: a politician who will "negotiate" with them.

Obama should do this country a favor and get off the national stage permanently. He's a lightweight loonie who breeds gloom, doom, and despair. This country needs nothing he has to offer.

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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/12/2008 5:03:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		hmm...i dunno Obama has single Mom...Dad runs off (to freaking Kenya, no less!)  Switches schools...step dads\...divorces...living with the grandparents...i wouldn't exactly call that a life of privilege.  Fair is fair.  Nobody says you have to love the guy...but he definately didn't have a life comparable to Hilary's.
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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/12/2008 5:09:21 PM   
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As for the difference between McCain and the Democrats: McCain is much more committed to prosecuting the two wars ad-infinitum. The Democrats want to set up a clear exit strategy for IRAQ and concentrate thereafter on stabilizing Afghanistan.

The Democrats want to pull up stakes in Iraq and to hell with strategy....then go back in with more troops and more casualties to clean up the mess the hard way. McCain's grasp is keep a stable military presence in a stabilized Iraq, vis-a-vis Germany and South Korea--i.e., he is willing to be realistic about things today, without attempting the homicidal foolishness of turning back the clock to before the invasion of Iraq.

How much you want to bet Hamas and bin Laden are looking for ways (or have found ways) to funnel money to Obama? He's a terrorist's wet dream: a politician who will "negotiate" with them.

Obama should do this country a favor and get off the national stage permanently. He's a lightweight loonie who breeds gloom, doom, and despair. This country needs nothing he has to offer.
Speaking of bin Ladin, where is he? It's been almost 7 years and Georgie can't find him? Hahahaha what a fucking joke that Bush moron is.

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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/12/2008 5:11:43 PM   
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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/12/2008 5:58:58 PM   
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Speaking of bin Ladin, where is he? It's been almost 7 years and Georgie can't find him? Hahahaha what a fucking joke that Bush moron is.

As far as bin Ladin is concerned, I'm not so sure.  Osama on the run is a whole lot less galvanizing a figure than Osama dead or in the dock.  If he's killed, he's a martyr, and if he's put on trial, it gives him what he craves most--a platform.  Leaving him in limbo this way may prove to be the best containment strategy available.


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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/12/2008 6:20:56 PM   
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hmm...i dunno Obama has single Mom...Dad runs off (to freaking Kenya, no less!) Switches schools...step dads\...divorces...living with the grandparents...i wouldn't exactly call that a life of privilege. Fair is fair. Nobody says you have to love the guy...but he definately didn't have a life comparable to Hilary's.

I hope you're not suggesting having a step-parent is a hardship--I AM a step-parent, and I like to think I contributed positively to my boys' upbringing. 

Obama never wondered how to pay for college, and I don't see in any of his bio trash that he actually *worked* while in college (must be nice).  Was he as privileged as Clinton?  Hardly.  Has he had an easy life compared to most people in this country?  Damn skippy.  (Sorry, Barack, struggling to choose cocaine over heroin isn't exactly the sort of life experience that a "working class" ethos can identify with).


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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/12/2008 6:29:50 PM   
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hope you're not suggesting having a step-parent is a hardship--I AM a step-parent, and I like to think I contributed positively to my boys' upbringing.  

  c'mon...that's not at all what i meant , and i think that's obvious.
My main point was that he didn't have a privileged life, and that Hilary was brought up in a well to do household.  To put them in the same category seems a bit like reaching. That's all.

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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/12/2008 6:55:26 PM   
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My main point was that he didn't have a privileged life, and that Hilary was brought up in a well to do household. To put them in the same category seems a bit like reaching. That's all.


I don't put them IN the same category.  I put them OUT of the same category--they're both equally clueless about working class and middle class situations and values.


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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/12/2008 7:08:42 PM   
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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/12/2008 7:41:36 PM   
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