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By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/11/2008 4:01:16 PM   
Griswold


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Status: offline 		I'm going to announce myself (not that I suspect Hillary or the Dems are going to give a shit but...)....as a lifelong Republican (who DIDN'T vote for Bush, thank you very much)...I'd like to express my support for Hillary.

I'm an (almost) 50 year old male (and by the way...I'd like to say at the outset, most people tell me I don't look a day over 49, 10 months, 3 weeks {6 days}), and you know what...she may be difficult to read, often seemingly cold...but my thinking is...she's got it.

"It'.

The proverbial.

It's just my thinking...I ain't asking anyone else to join me (and I know my fellow Republicans are going to take me out of the collective will but....).

I think she's got it....and I swear to gawd....I hope she gets a shot at all this.

Because when I start sporting a bumper sticker for her...enough of my friends are going to go "HUH!!!!!!?????"....enough because of my unusual take on things....that hopefully they'll also say....HUH!!!!!!?????...long enough to consider their options.

And I'm not altogether convinced we have all that many (options) left.


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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/11/2008 4:22:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		If I have to choose between Hillary and McCain, I choose McCain....he seems to have a more intimate relationship with the truth than Hillary (oh, he lies like any good politician, just not as much as Hillary).

If I had to choose between Hillary and Obama, I choose Hillary.  She's a power-hungry bitch and probably a pathological liar to boot, but as least she has some skill at the lying thing.  Obama can't even tell a credible white lie.

I like my leaders to be good at SOMETHING.....otherwise you have a useless pile of fluff (which is all Obama will ever be).


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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/11/2008 4:23:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		You know she has virtually zero chance of coming out ahead of Obama, right Gris?
 
When she isn't "being a politician", I don't dislike her.

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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/11/2008 4:41:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		We all have our personal version of what the truth is...for some WMD's are somewhere in Iraq, yet to be discovered.  Others say global warming is something Al Gore "invented" to gain the presidency, others say Monica was a Republican agent plotting to get a spunky blue dress as a means of killing the Dems...  i only ask that people keep civil liberties, that the economy, infrastructure, and environment become more important than the war, and that education improves so that this nation can be rescued from becoming a wasteland filled with "C" students, as it scarily seems headed if nothing changes.  i don't think either of the major parties seem to be as involved with my concerns, as they are in retaining or gaining power, and that's a damned shame.
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If I have to choose between Hillary and McCain, I choose McCain....he seems to have a more intimate relationship with the truth than Hillary (oh, he lies like any good politician, just not as much as Hillary).

If I had to choose between Hillary and Obama, I choose Hillary.  She's a power-hungry bitch and probably a pathological liar to boot, but as least she has some skill at the lying thing.  Obama can't even tell a credible white lie.

I like my leaders to be good at SOMETHING.....otherwise you have a useless pile of fluff (which is all Obama will ever be).


What then is truth? A mobile army of metaphors, metonyms, and anthropomorphisms -- in short, a sum of human relations, which have been enhanced, transposed, and embellished poetically and rhetorically, and which after long use seem firm, canonical, and obligatory to a people: truths are illusions about which one has forgotten that is what they are; metaphors which are worn out and without sensuous power; coins which have lost their pictures and now matter only as metal, no longer as coins.
We still do not know where the urge for truth comes from; for as yet we have heard only of the obligation imposed by society that it should exist: to be truthful means using the customary metaphors - in moral terms, the obligation to lie according to fixed convention, to lie herd-like in a style obligatory for all...

'On truth and lie in an extra-moral sense,' The Viking Portable Nietzsche,
 
 

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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/11/2008 4:53:53 PM   
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You know she has virtually zero chance of coming out ahead of Obama, right Gris?
 
When she isn't "being a politician", I don't dislike her.


Ya know...my Mom said the same thing effectively when I voted for Perot (twice)..."(Gris) ya know you're throwing away your vote dontcha?"

(Mom always had a way with words).

I can't vote for who's going to win....I believe it's my obligation to vote for who's the best choice.

That ain't McCain...and it ain't Obama.

(And Perot ain't running).

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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/11/2008 4:55:51 PM   
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You know she has virtually zero chance of coming out ahead of Obama, right Gris?
 
When she isn't "being a politician", I don't dislike her.


Ya know...my Mom said the same thing effectively when I voted for Perot (twice)..."(Gris) ya know you're throwing away your vote dontcha?"

(Mom always had a way with words).

I can't vote for who's going to win....I believe it's my obligation to vote for who's the best choice.

That ain't McCain...and it ain't Obama.

(And Perot ain't running).



Noooo, don't misunderstand me, I don't mean you would be wasting your vote. Hell, I voted for Nader once...., and often wonder about how Perot would have done.

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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/11/2008 5:22:00 PM   
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Noooo, don't misunderstand me, I don't mean you would be wasting your vote. Hell, I voted for Nader once...., and often wonder about how Perot would have done.


Bet with those radar ears of his he'd have found Saddam's WMDs.....


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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/11/2008 5:24:30 PM   
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i don't think either of the major parties seem to be as involved with my concerns, as they are in retaining or gaining power, and that's a damned shame.

That, for better or worse, is the nature of politics.

Politicians want power.  If we're perceptive voters we make them pay for power by attending to those things that matter to us.

I want my political types to be a bit power-mad.....I also want them willing to pay list price


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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/11/2008 5:26:16 PM   
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i only ask that people keep civil liberties, that the economy, infrastructure, and environment become more important than the war, and that education improves so that this nation can be rescued from becoming a wasteland filled with "C" students, as it scarily seems headed if nothing changes.  i don't think either of the major parties seem to be as involved with my concerns, as they are in retaining or gaining power, and that's a damned shame.



Your stated concerns directly contravene the goals of power mongers.

I wouldn't hold my breath for any party to work against their own best interests.
 
No career politican wants an educated populace, or an end to war, or a sound economy, or a healthy infrastructure. 

They all want pork barrel boondoggles built with shoddy contracting, schools that churn out non-thinking sheeple, a widening gap between have's and havenot's, and some sort of violent strife somewhere else to distract.

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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/11/2008 5:30:00 PM   
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Noooo, don't misunderstand me, I don't mean you would be wasting your vote. Hell, I voted for Nader once...., and often wonder about how Perot would have done.


Bet with those radar ears of his he'd have found Saddam's WMDs.....



We probably would have never went into Iraq with him as President.

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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/11/2008 5:48:07 PM   
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We probably would have never went into Iraq with him as President.

True, he'd have wheeled and dealed and bought a radical martyr or two of his own to take Saddam out.

Perot is a nut for efficiency.....


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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/11/2008 5:51:50 PM   
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We probably would have never went into Iraq with him as President.

True, he'd have wheeled and dealed and bought a radical martyr or two of his own to take Saddam out.

Perot is a nut for efficiency.....

You mean to tell me he's still alive???  Wow...i figured he'd joined Walt Disney in a cryogenic chamber somewhere a looonnnggg time ago

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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/11/2008 6:05:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hillary vs. McCain = Hillary wins
Obama vs. McCain = McCain wins

That's reality.

Dems are right now in the process of blowing their chance at getting back the White House.

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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/11/2008 6:09:20 PM   
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You mean to tell me he's still alive??? Wow...i figured he'd joined Walt Disney in a cryogenic chamber somewhere a looonnnggg time ago

He backed Romney on the Republican side this last go-round, so yeah, he's still alive....


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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/11/2008 6:21:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		       Wouldn't it be an interesting thing, though...a Repub in the white house who isn't Bush, with a Democratic Congress and Senate??? i think McCain more than any of the GOP has the ability to work with Dems.  If the OLD McCain comes back after all the campaigning crap, that is.  In a way, part of the reason the Bush agenda was pushed, was a lack of checks and balances...the GOP had the whole enchilada in their grasp.  That wouldn't be the case, now. 
     i sometimes fear that people that are overly loyal to a party start to think of issues as secondary.  There's a "we're right, we should win!" mentality that is found on either side.  Some people are foaming at the mouth like religious fanatics over which party is in power...there is vicious name calling and shit flung in both directions. Which just proves some people fall for propaganda.  If people would stop arguing over  parties like they're NFL teams, and start paying attention to politicians individually and what they say, and more importantly how they vote and stand on pertinent issues, maybe Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, and those of thier ilk would be exposed as unacceptable choices from the beginning, and save the people of this country a world of sorrows...

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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/12/2008 4:58:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		whats to so stop mccain from having hillary as running mate.

she wont drop out.   she will run as a 3rd party.  [and a 4th will be put in by big biz]

the only way mccain  would have my "ok" on corp tax reform is if he gets rid of all the loop holes.

i also dont trust a GOP to privatise soc sec.

obama however takes no pack money.

the call center i was at- was to see who pa voters were voting for.   [the place endorsed hillary]  the responses ranged all over the radar screen.

as to bumper stickers, i dont do them.  i dont want another car on my tail.   the one neighbor went into a rage-rant over anothers obama sign.

none of these people are worth sticking my neck out over.

on ross perot, if i could revote that- ild vote for him.  as i think i heard a giant sucking noise....

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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/12/2008 7:25:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Bob Barr is running as a libertarian ... something to think about

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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/12/2008 7:58:49 AM   
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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/12/2008 8:13:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Absolutely.  Shocking isn't it? After 8 years of Bush we are going to throw it away again... 



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Hillary vs. McCain = Hillary wins
Obama vs. McCain = McCain wins

That's reality.

Dems are right now in the process of blowing their chance at getting back the White House.


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RE: By the way....who's for Hillary? - 5/12/2008 9:47:06 AM   
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Absolutely.  Shocking isn't it? After 8 years of Bush we are going to throw it away again... 



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Hillary vs. McCain = Hillary wins
Obama vs. McCain = McCain wins

That's reality.

Dems are right now in the process of blowing their chance at getting back the White House.



I don't have a dog in this fight but I agree with this scenario.
Dems should know by now that picking the candidate who's furthest to the left in their party is not a winning strategy!
To win the W.H. you need to be, "in the middle" politically.
I also don't have a dog in that fight in the Republican camp.
So, I'm looking for a viable third party candidate.
Hillary seems to be more for "the working man" than what's his face is which is a plus in these times of Republican "free trade" and globalism that doesn't and can't work. But, she needs to come out strongly against "Nafta!"
If she does that and she gets the nomination against McCain she has a good chance of winning!

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