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MistressOfGa -> Emotions: Who Owns Them? (4/8/2008 1:56:24 AM)

I am worried. When I was young, I used to wait each morning to see what "face" my mother had on, before I approached her. If she was happy, then I knew it was safe to be happy. If she was angry, I stayed the hell out of her way. If she was sad...well, you get the picture.
I sometimes look at my sub and I wonder just how much of his emotions are a direct result of how I am feeling. If I am angry over something that had nothing to do with him, he tends to take on the anger as his own. For example: If someone from the store angers me, it is my pup who seems to take on the anger more than I do. I assure him that I am quite capable of handling the situation, and I normally do, but he is left feeling anger over it. Is he feeding off my anger? I notice that when I am sad or unhappy, he will be too. His voice gets very quiet and I have to ask him what is wrong. He says nothing, but I can tell from his demeanor that something is..and usually it is because I am sad.
I hate to think that my boy waits each morning to see what "face" I have on, before approaching me. This is something I need to work on with him, because I don't want to own his emotions. I love his individualism and his gentle personality.
I would love to hear from those who have gone through this, or are going through this now.

I want to stress..that I know that this is a problem that I need to deal with, but am seeking advice or words of experience.

Thank y'all in advance :)

MoGa




colouredin -> RE: Emotions: Who Owns Them? (4/8/2008 2:09:42 AM)

Mood is transferable if you go to work and someone is stressed often the people working around them will become stressed too its just natural. If for example someone is sad and the other person is able to try and cheer them up normally the person doing the cheering will become very emotionally drained because they had to fight their natural responses. Some people are more likely to be influenced by other peoples feelings.

I am someone who can be very good at masking my feelings, I have often been in periods where I have to slap on a smiling face no matter how I feel, I can do it for a fairly long period of time but eventually it gets very hard. If the person is emotional a lot of the time and you are constantly having to pretend you dont get your own emotional needs met, and that can lead to real resentment, trust me I know this.

If the person is simply imitating your emotions well it doesnt make for a very happy enviroment someone has to make the conscious effort to make things better. Often that doesnt happen and people sink more and more into themselves and that can lead to a disjointed relationship. Someone has to try and pull the other one up and then hope that they will then return the favour.

Its bloody difficult, and I hope that things get a bit easier for you, I am sure that once you have spoken to him things will feel a little bit lighter on you. But you have to remember that it is in both of your best interests that you work equally hard. Simply that one person is having more emotional trauma doesnt mean that the other one stops counting (i dont believe you think this anyway just if you have a bad day and you know he has worked at making it a bit better do something to show him you appriciate him, i would have loved that)




GreedyTop -> RE: Emotions: Who Owns Them? (4/8/2008 2:13:59 AM)

*hugs* lovely lady...

for me.. I know I tend to project emotions.. due to esteem issues. It took me a while to know that the people that care deeply for me will often get angrier than *I* am because they see it differently than I do.. remember - pup is seeing it through YOUR eyes and he's likely to be pissed on your behalf!  Truism: his side, her side, the truth :)

And since pup is so tuned in to you then your emotions are going to be VERY visible to him..

ok, stopping now, cause I'm about to start rambling..LOL




MistressOfGa -> RE: Emotions: Who Owns Them? (4/8/2008 2:17:46 AM)

GT,
Ramble on! Your answer makes sense to me. I hadn't thought of any of this as transference or projecting. Nice input!

MoGa




MistressOfGa -> RE: Emotions: Who Owns Them? (4/8/2008 2:21:46 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: colouredin

Mood is transferable if you go to work and someone is stressed often the people working around them will become stressed too its just natural. If for example someone is sad and the other person is able to try and cheer them up normally the person doing the cheering will become very emotionally drained because they had to fight their natural responses. Some people are more likely to be influenced by other peoples feelings.

I am someone who can be very good at masking my feelings, I have often been in periods where I have to slap on a smiling face no matter how I feel, I can do it for a fairly long period of time but eventually it gets very hard. If the person is emotional a lot of the time and you are constantly having to pretend you dont get your own emotional needs met, and that can lead to real resentment, trust me I know this.

If the person is simply imitating your emotions well it doesnt make for a very happy enviroment someone has to make the conscious effort to make things better. Often that doesnt happen and people sink more and more into themselves and that can lead to a disjointed relationship. Someone has to try and pull the other one up and then hope that they will then return the favour.

Its bloody difficult, and I hope that things get a bit easier for you, I am sure that once you have spoken to him things will feel a little bit lighter on you. But you have to remember that it is in both of your best interests that you work equally hard. Simply that one person is having more emotional trauma doesnt mean that the other one stops counting (i dont believe you think this anyway just if you have a bad day and you know he has worked at making it a bit better do something to show him you appriciate him, i would have loved that)


Nice words colouredin. I know about the work environment. I managed an office, where I felt I had to set the tone. I also noticed if one girl came in unhappy, it caused a domino effect on the others there.
I am just wondering if what is happening with us has anything to do with wiitwd or is it just that we are so close emotionally? I remember my sister used to cry when I got hit. She wasn't the one in pain, yet she cried like she was.

MoGa




colouredin -> RE: Emotions: Who Owns Them? (4/8/2008 2:28:01 AM)

I think that its true that the more emotionally attached you are the more likely you are to feel what someone else is feeling, maybe its not totally random, if you are sad maybe your pup is sad that you are sad.Though in my experaince its not always the same emotion. For example if my sister comes home crying because her bloke has done something I wont feel sad, I will feel angry. But the general dejected feeling if it has no reason say you jusk wake up feeling really shit thats the kind of emotion that I think is so easy to be picked up by those that care about you. If there isnt a focus on it or anything. If you wake up and are fine but get pissed off that the boiler isnt working and thats the only thing you are pissed off about then maybe that emotion is less likely to be picked up as easily.

Emotions are really funny things though one person i know would transfer her emotions so she would be really upset about one thing but wouldnt get upset about that instead would look for something else during the day and get disproportionatly upset about that.




charmdpetKeira -> RE: Emotions: Who Owns Them? (4/8/2008 3:32:35 AM)

We own our emotions, just as we own our perceptions.
 
For me, the behavior as a child was caused by misconceived perception, and survival skills.
 
As a pet, I equate my owner similarly to a parental figure in some ways; the same childlike mirroring has occured.
 
I have been able to reason the idea away, by realizing not only is it not my liberty, but it is impossible for me to feel, for my owner.
 
k




ShaktiSama -> RE: Emotions: Who Owns Them? (4/8/2008 3:34:55 AM)

So long as you are not actively terrorizing people with your emotional states as an abuser, I don't think you should feel guilty that your partner has such strong empathy with you.  That is a thing to be cherished, not discouraged.

If you look at him and realize that he feels your hurts as well as your joys, and you actually want him to feel more of the latter than the former...it seems to me that your love for one another is accomplishing exactly what love is meant to accomplish.  You are inspired to be more joyous and less sad or angry, because you love him.  Seeing yourself reflected in his eyes is a lesson.

I have learned the same lesson from every person who has ever really loved me, including my mother and my children.  I have found it is impossible to suffer separately from the ones who truly care about you.  If you want to care for certain people, protect them, shield them from pain--you have to look out for yourself.

When you are cut, the ones that love you bleed.  Always.




MistressOfGa -> RE: Emotions: Who Owns Them? (4/8/2008 3:39:18 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama

So long as you are not actively terrorizing people with your emotional states as an abuser, I don't think you should feel guilty that your partner has such strong empathy with you.  That is a thing to be cherished, not discouraged.

If you look at him and realize that he feels your hurts as well as your joys, and you actually want him to feel more of the latter than the former...it seems to me that your love for one another is accomplishing exactly what love is meant to accomplish.  You are inspired to be more joyous and less sad or angry, because you love him.  Seeing yourself reflected in his eyes is a lesson.

I have learned the same lesson from every person who has ever really loved me, including my mother and my children.  I have found it is impossible to suffer separately from the ones who truly care about you.  If you want to care for certain people, protect them, shield them from pain--you have to look out for yourself.

When you are cut, the ones that love you bleed.  Always.

I love the bottom line. What you write makes a lot of sense. I appreciate it. I have not always agreed with your posts, but this one I do. You have hit the nail right on the head. Thank you!

MoGa




MistressOfGa -> RE: Emotions: Who Owns Them? (4/8/2008 3:42:21 AM)

quote:

Emotions are really funny things though one person i know would transfer her emotions so she would be really upset about one thing but wouldnt get upset about that instead would look for something else during the day and get disproportionatly upset about that.


Man, I have seen people like this before. Who over-react to a situation, you wonder if you are viewing it wrong, or if there is something wrong with them. I usually call these types of people drama queens. That is why it is so important for communication to be iintact. If I am upset over something, pup knows what it is. I don't play the guessing game and I certainly do not over-react later to something else that is irrelevant.

MoGa




MistressOfGa -> RE: Emotions: Who Owns Them? (4/8/2008 3:44:42 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: charmdpetKeira

We own our emotions, just as we own our perceptions.
 
For me, the behavior as a child was caused by misconceived perception, and survival skills.
 
As a pet, I equate my owner similarly to a parental figure in some ways; the same childlike mirroring has occured.
 
I have been able to reason the idea away, by realizing not only is it not my liberty, but it is impossible for me to feel, for my owner.
 
k

K,
I am so happy that you posted here. I was really interested in what the other side of the slash thought about this. It is interesting to note that you understood my behavior as a child stemmed from self survival. That's cool.

Why do you think it is impossible for you to feel for your owner?

MoGa




GreedyTop -> RE: Emotions: Who Owns Them? (4/8/2008 3:46:36 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa

GT,
Ramble on! Your answer makes sense to me. I hadn't thought of any of this as transference or projecting. Nice input!

MoGa


god love ya, lady! I wasnt sure it was making sense,,,LOL




Justme696 -> RE: Emotions: Who Owns Them? (4/8/2008 3:47:28 AM)

At OP

not saying I am glad with the topic..because it is a hard one, but I am glad I am not the only one wondering about this.
I have the same more or less. Emotions of D/s seems to be transmitted. And especially a sub/slave seems to feel everything times 10.
The only good way to deal with it..is to ask what he or she thinks. This mostly leads to a discussion and ..both will feel better in beeing open. In my case it always solves the issue.
Peopel who care for eachother will always feel some of the emotions of the other. I think that is nice to a certain degree, but it shouldn't steer their lives. 




MistressOfGa -> RE: Emotions: Who Owns Them? (4/8/2008 3:54:16 AM)

quote:

I am glad I am not the only one wondering about this.

Bless you A! I hated to think I was feeling these things alone.
quote:

I have the same more or less. Emotions of D/s seems to be transmitted. And especially a sub/slave seems to feel everything times 10.
The only good way to deal with it..is to ask what he or she thinks. This mostly leads to a discussion and ..both will feel better in beeing open. In my case it always solves the issue.

I agree. Talking about it will help. To be honest, this just hit me tonight. I've not talked to Brian about it yet, as I wanted to get some feedback first. I now have a better understanding of how I will deal with it.
Thank y'all so far. I hope to hear more as daylight approaches :)

MoGa




GreedyTop -> RE: Emotions: Who Owns Them? (4/8/2008 4:02:17 AM)

as a switch.,.. I feel I'd be giving less to Riff if I didn't feel for him.. I may not always KNOW the emotions he's feeling (because what the triggers come from may be things I do not relate to), but I can always GET the emotion (who CANT get that? LOL)

Not knocking those whose views differ, you understand :)




Dnomyar -> RE: Emotions: Who Owns Them? (4/8/2008 4:10:12 AM)

Good post. I agree with all that has been said.




Prinsexx -> RE: Emotions: Who Owns Them? (4/8/2008 4:10:21 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa

I am worried. When I was young, I used to wait each morning to see what "face" my mother had on, before I approached her. If she was happy, then I knew it was safe to be happy. If she was angry, I stayed the hell out of her way. If she was sad...well, you get the picture.
I sometimes look at my sub and I wonder just how much of his emotions are a direct result of how I am feeling. If I am angry over something that had nothing to do with him, he tends to take on the anger as his own. For example: If someone from the store angers me, it is my pup who seems to take on the anger more than I do. I assure him that I am quite capable of handling the situation, and I normally do, but he is left feeling anger over it. Is he feeding off my anger? I notice that when I am sad or unhappy, he will be too. His voice gets very quiet and I have to ask him what is wrong. He says nothing, but I can tell from his demeanor that something is..and usually it is because I am sad.
I hate to think that my boy waits each morning to see what "face" I have on, before approaching me. This is something I need to work on with him, because I don't want to own his emotions. I love his individualism and his gentle personality.
I would love to hear from those who have gone through this, or are going through this now.

I want to stress..that I know that this is a problem that I need to deal with, but am seeking advice or words of experience.

Thank y'all in advance :)

MoGa

Introjection: there's an equivalent process in almost all schools of psychology.
My exstill  has his tentacles round my neck and I am STILL feeling wretched becasuse I failed to please him....at least that's the 'feelin', the reason he made sure he injected into the leabing process.
Choice theory has it that whereas we may not have control over our feelings we do have control over our behaviour and thoughts.
For me my emotions run the highest octane and eggect everything else. i'm down at the moment and am having to work hardest and not introjecting that into my kids.
The rest can wait until I am on a more even keel. and so am turning down all invites, calls and courtings.

I really appreciate your question though because as a dom(me) yes your mood does get absorbed by the submissive and very much more intensely so ny those of a slave mindset. IMPO
I will do anything to make the master happy.




SimplyMichael -> RE: Emotions: Who Owns Them? (4/8/2008 4:21:14 AM)

M of Georgia,

You are asking two very different questions.  One is are you being emotionally healthy with your partner and the other is are we responsible for how we act because of our emotions.

We are responsible for how we act and to a lesser degree the intensity of our emotional responses.

As to the question of are you emotionally intimidating your partner, it is a long and slow path to shed ourselves of our parents patterns.  How sure are you that you have moved past them?  We tend to pick partners who participate in them and as we grow we do them less and less.  Do you REALLY know where you are on that path?  You are seeing familiar behavior...





DesFIP -> RE: Emotions: Who Owns Them? (4/8/2008 4:22:52 AM)

This is a big problem here. His preferred method of dealing with anger is to vent to me, which is fine. Except that when he's finished venting he's calm and I'm all wired. And it's when he's finally calm that he wants to play, but I can't handle it when I'm wired.

I think I shall suggest that he vents in a more physical manner by spanking me when I am interested in play, which hopefully will solve the situation. Especially because he tends to vent right at bedtime and getting me all stressed then can prevent me from getting any sleep.




MistressOfGa -> RE: Emotions: Who Owns Them? (4/8/2008 4:27:12 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

M of Georgia,

You are asking two very different questions.  One is are you being emotionally healthy with your partner and the other is are we responsible for how we act because of our emotions.

We are responsible for how we act and to a lesser degree the intensity of our emotional responses.

As to the question of are you emotionally intimidating your partner, it is a long and slow path to shed ourselves of our parents patterns.  How sure are you that you have moved past them?  We tend to pick partners who participate in them and as we grow we do them less and less.  Do you REALLY know where you are on that path?  You are seeing familiar behavior...


Actually I hadn't thought about my childhood in years <shrugs> I do believe that children learn what they live and by the time they hit adulthood, they often question whether they are truly themselves or just a product of their unhealthy environment. I am 50 years old and left all that behind me. I think what is triggering it, is Brian's reactions of my actions/non-actions. As far as being emotionally healthy, the answer is yes I am. You brought up some very valid points, thank you.

MoGa 




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