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RE: Dems worst nightmare - 3/18/2008 4:21:21 PM

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You duck direct questions that have answers that counter your position. So, once again......name one country which allows its citizens to with-hold taxes for things they don't like. Name one current serious politician that advocates it.

You like being wrong, don't you?

Already answered.

........standard cross post.....but thank you for your edifying debating tactic.

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RE: Dems worst nightmare - 3/18/2008 4:28:14 PM

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Society stands between government and individuals. Society, not government, is what the axiom 'united we stand, divided we fall' refers to.

Sounds wonderful. Except society doesn't tax. Governments do.

As for the Greek tragedians....they never paid income tax.

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RE: Dems worst nightmare - 3/18/2008 4:38:19 PM

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Society stands between government and individuals. Society, not government, is what the axiom 'united we stand, divided we fall' refers to.

Sounds wonderful. Except society doesn't tax. Governments do.

As for the Greek tragedians....they never paid income tax.

.....i'm not suggesting that society raises taxes.....i'm suggesting that society is why there are taxes. because there are things we do better together than seperately and they need paying for.

Oh, and those Greek tragedians?
"Q. Who paid for the performances?

A. The archon in charge of the festival 'granted a chorus' to three writers. The wealthy were

expected to foot the cost of a tragic chorus as a sort of indirect income tax. It was a liturgy.

The individual paying for the chorus was called a choregos. Actors were paid by the state."
http://www.albedo.net/~antonia/CL101lect21.pdf

......you might want to reconsider arguing Greek theatre and society with me, as i wrote my thesis on it. Where do you think the state got the money to pay the actors, eh? Olympus? Taxes were specific, not generic as we have them.....and only the rich paid them. So, an income based tax. Playwrights were wealthy enough to be tapped in this way.

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RE: Dems worst nightmare - 3/18/2008 4:49:07 PM

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......you might want to reconsider arguing Greek theatre and society with me, as i wrote my thesis on it. Where do you think the state got the money to pay the actors, eh? Olympus? Taxes were specific, not generic as we have them.....and only the rich paid them. So, an income based tax. Playwrights were wealthy enough to be tapped in this way.

Bully for you. Thank you for acknowledging their utter irrelevance to the debate topic.

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RE: Dems worst nightmare - 3/18/2008 5:43:03 PM

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......you might want to reconsider arguing Greek theatre and society with me, as i wrote my thesis on it. Where do you think the state got the money to pay the actors, eh? Olympus? Taxes were specific, not generic as we have them.....and only the rich paid them. So, an income based tax. Playwrights were wealthy enough to be tapped in this way.

Bully for you. Thank you for acknowledging their utter irrelevance to the debate topic.

..oh good grief......can you read? It was an income tax, based on an ability to pay. Just because it was needs based, as opposed to being collected on a regular basis, doesn't change what it was. People, if asked for the money, could not refuse on pain of being ostracised....
At this rate you may become the first person on these fora who i have ever blocked....for extreme, obstinate, malicious and gleefully insulting stupidity.
You state something ill-informed such as ancient greek playwrights not paying tax, and when proven to be incorrect you just move onto the next piece of vitriol. Pretending all the while to, somehow, have won a point.

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RE: Dems worst nightmare - 3/18/2008 7:01:29 PM

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Just because it was needs based, as opposed to being collected on a regular basis, doesn't change what it was.

Hogwash. That's exactly what it does.

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You state something ill-informed such as ancient greek playwrights not paying tax, and when proven to be incorrect you just move onto the next piece of vitriol. Pretending all the while to, somehow, have won a point.

I have not leveled any insult or ad hominem attack on you. Any statement that I have is categorically false. Period. End of Sentence. End of that discussion.
I stated that greek playwrights did not pay an income tax. You have not shown that they paid anything resembling an income tax. You point to an exaction levied against "the rich" and declare it an income tax because it was paid by the wealthy. That's not an income tax. That it was applied to the wealthy tends to suggest it was more a property tax than a tax on income.
Your words strengthen my argument. If that troubles you, choose different words.

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