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RE: gay Iranian asylum seeker - 3/12/2008 5:40:16 PM   
popeye1250


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Status: offline 		Gwynvyd, it's not about his being "gay" it's just that I'm just not a "humanitarian" when it comes to foreign countries.
I mean hey, I hope that Achmadinajad guy or whatever his name is kills all the straight people in Iran too!
Fuck those countries, they all hate the U.S. anyway.
I'm just totally against all these "asylum" and "refugee" programs.
They're full of scams, the people *never leave* even when their home countries turn around.
I just don't want my government getting involved in that type of stuff.
After traveling to so many different countries any wish I had to "save the world" is now thankfully gone.
I'm a big believer in young Americans having a passport and travelling.

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RE: gay Iranian asylum seeker - 3/12/2008 5:50:16 PM   
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I like you as a person on here.. but dude.. I just cant subscribe to that kind of thinking.. the world would be so much more fucked if more people thought that way.

Hell we would all be speaking German right now in fact.. and marching every freakin where. I would have been gased long ago. You know my big mouth wouldnt have kept quiet... but I would have taken out some SS muther fuckers with me I can tell you that much.

Pol Pot, Musilini, Stalin... all these wankers hope and pray for people to think just as you do.

I guess it is good that I care enough for the both of us. *winks*

Gwyn

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RE: gay Iranian asylum seeker - 3/13/2008 12:55:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		UK Home Secretary Jacqui Smith has lifted the deportation order on Mehdi Kazemi.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/mar/13/immigration.iran

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RE: gay Iranian asylum seeker - 3/13/2008 1:00:19 PM   
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RE: gay Iranian asylum seeker - 3/13/2008 1:09:32 PM   
Pyrrsefanie


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Status: offline 		But wait, I thought there were no homosexuals in Iran!  That's what their prime minister said during his college visit...

Barbaric.  No two ways about it.  People will try to defend it and say "oh, but it's their culture, we shouldn't stifle their culture!" but when it involves the slaughter, rape, and torture of innocent people just trying to be true to themselves and live their lives as they should have the freedom to... no, I'm sorry, stifle that shit and stifle it fast.  I even heard someone say "But they don't know any better, so it's not our problem..." my thought is that if he's seeking to get the Hell out of Dodge, he DOES know better.

God needs to hit the reset button or something -- this campaign is screwed.

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RE: gay Iranian asylum seeker - 3/13/2008 2:16:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Pyrrsefanie

But wait, I thought there were no homosexuals in Iran!  That's what their prime minister said during his college visit...

Barbaric.  No two ways about it.  People will try to defend it and say "oh, but it's their culture, we shouldn't stifle their culture!" but when it involves the slaughter, rape, and torture of innocent people just trying to be true to themselves and live their lives as they should have the freedom to... no, I'm sorry, stifle that shit and stifle it fast.  I even heard someone say "But they don't know any better, so it's not our problem..." my thought is that if he's seeking to get the Hell out of Dodge, he DOES know better.

God needs to hit the reset button or something -- this campaign is screwed.



How dare you you dirty neo-con!!! :)

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RE: gay Iranian asylum seeker - 3/13/2008 2:41:57 PM   
Pyrrsefanie


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ORIGINAL: Moloch

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pyrrsefanie

But wait, I thought there were no homosexuals in Iran!  That's what their prime minister said during his college visit...

Barbaric.  No two ways about it.  People will try to defend it and say "oh, but it's their culture, we shouldn't stifle their culture!" but when it involves the slaughter, rape, and torture of innocent people just trying to be true to themselves and live their lives as they should have the freedom to... no, I'm sorry, stifle that shit and stifle it fast.  I even heard someone say "But they don't know any better, so it's not our problem..." my thought is that if he's seeking to get the Hell out of Dodge, he DOES know better.

God needs to hit the reset button or something -- this campaign is screwed.



How dare you you dirty neo-con!!! :)



Uhhh... thank you?  LOL

I'm sorry, I have absolutely noooo idea of what you just called me!

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RE: gay Iranian asylum seeker - 3/13/2008 3:50:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Glad to hear that.  Hope he is granted asylum.

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RE: gay Iranian asylum seeker - 3/13/2008 6:32:17 PM   
RealityLicks


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Status: offline 		There is opposition to this attitude in Iran.  In fact, there's an election today and the progressive parties need western support.  Instead of demonising an entire country as "barbaric" you might consider that.  Lumping them all together actually weakens the possibility of things improving there.

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RE: gay Iranian asylum seeker - 3/13/2008 6:41:35 PM   
Pyrrsefanie


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ORIGINAL: RealityLicks

There is opposition to this attitude in Iran.  In fact, there's an election today and the progressive parties need western support.  Instead of demonising an entire country as "barbaric" you might consider that.  Lumping them all together actually weakens the possibility of things improving there.


Instead of demonizing my entire post, you might consider that I was referring to the actions of a specific group as barbaric and not an entire country.  Nowhere did I say "Iran is barbaric."

Oh, and FYI, I'm a big supporter of progression in the Middle East.  I've done bellydancing events previously as part of an educational series on the arts and culture over there to help people understand that they're not all savages living in tents and plotting to destroy democracy (although certainly there are some like that).  Yeah, I'm totally closed-minded, aren't I?  DAMN ME TO HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL~


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RE: gay Iranian asylum seeker - 3/13/2008 6:51:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Pyrrsefanie

But wait, I thought there were no homosexuals in Iran!  That's what their prime minister said during his college visit...

Barbaric.  No two ways about it.  People will try to defend it and say "oh, but it's their culture, we shouldn't stifle their culture!" but when it involves the slaughter, rape, and torture of innocent people just trying to be true to themselves and live their lives as they should have the freedom to... no, I'm sorry, stifle that shit and stifle it fast.  I even heard someone say "But they don't know any better, so it's not our problem..." my thought is that if he's seeking to get the Hell out of Dodge, he DOES know better.

God needs to hit the reset button or something -- this campaign is screwed.



In the above quote, you suggest it is "their culture".

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/shared-gen/ap/Middle_East/Iran_Khomeinis_Granddaughter.html

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She is a granddaughter of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, founder of the 1979 Islamic revolution, but Zahra Eshraghi has long been a leader of reformers seeking to liberalize Iran.
She sees dark days for the country, at least in the short run, given the hard-liners' lock on power. To break that hold, she says, former reformist President Mohammad Khatami must run against hard-line leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad next year.


I don't blame you incidentally, western media don't go into detail on moderate Muslims.  Kinda unfashionable.  But they exist.

Right, I've just come in from a gig and now I need some sleep. 

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RE: gay Iranian asylum seeker - 3/13/2008 7:04:19 PM   
Pyrrsefanie


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ORIGINAL: RealityLicks

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pyrrsefanie

But wait, I thought there were no homosexuals in Iran!  That's what their prime minister said during his college visit...

Barbaric.  No two ways about it.  People will try to defend it and say "oh, but it's their culture, we shouldn't stifle their culture!" but when it involves the slaughter, rape, and torture of innocent people just trying to be true to themselves and live their lives as they should have the freedom to... no, I'm sorry, stifle that shit and stifle it fast.  I even heard someone say "But they don't know any better, so it's not our problem..." my thought is that if he's seeking to get the Hell out of Dodge, he DOES know better.

God needs to hit the reset button or something -- this campaign is screwed.



In the above quote, you suggest it is "their culture".


No, I don't.  I suggest that some people try to argue that it is their culture.  Which it isn't.

Care to try again?

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RE: gay Iranian asylum seeker - 3/13/2008 11:50:03 PM   
Gwynvyd


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Status: offline 		Well I hope the guy gets some fairness... I hope they all do. England has been a particularly rough place to be in if you were a gay asylum seeker.

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RE: gay Iranian asylum seeker - 3/14/2008 12:15:08 AM   
luckydog1


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Status: offline 		Maybe the LGBT folks over there should imitate the Jews and get thier own country...

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RE: gay Iranian asylum seeker - 3/14/2008 3:26:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

The UK government rejected his claim for asylum, whereupon, fearing for his life once deported to Iran, Mehdi fled to Holland. The Dutch have now also rejected his claim and he is due to be sent back to the UK, from where he will be deported back to Iran, where an arrest warrant is already in place for him and he is likely to be hanged.



Both Britain and Holland have a policy of not deporting people in danger of being executed. The fact that two countries have independently rejected his claim for asylum suggests there is more to the story than Mehdi is letting the media know about. I suppose we will find out after the European Court hearings.

I have seen both interviews with openly gay men in Tehran both on the BBC and the NOS (Dutch equivalent) and the Iranian gay men said that while Iran is deeply conservative, if you don't go round advertising your sexulaity or pushing it under people's noses, there is not much of a problem for gays.

The real problem we have about knowing about Iran is that news about Iran is so often skewed and tainted with paranoia and hate in the western media, it is difficult to know what is true and what is not and who to believe and who not to.

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RE: gay Iranian asylum seeker - 3/14/2008 3:39:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Gwynvyd
Well I hope the guy gets some fairness... I hope they all do. England has been a particularly rough place to be in if you were a gay asylum seeker.
Gwyn

he he he he he he
Are you referring to the fact that the state dont provide them with "boyfriends"........YET.
Sexual activity is legal in public toilets here so long as the cubicle door is shut. If he finds himself homeless at least he could have a bit of fun in there.

I think he could then be violating the human rights of those who need to wait for him to emerge with a smile on his face, but thats a legal matter and outside my competence to know.

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RE: gay Iranian asylum seeker - 3/14/2008 3:40:22 AM   
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If the Iranian boy came to the UK legally (or has went thru the legal process of becoming a UK citizen), then all should be well.   Your sexual orientation should not be considered when you break a law.  WTF is this world coming to?  This is rediculous.

I suppose Mexico is waiting to see how England handles this case.  If they keep the boy to prevent his execution, I can see Mexico, Cuba and Puerto Rico passing anti-homosexuality laws and all the illegal aliens will claim they are gay so us stupid Americans can swallow it and let them stay here.  Talk about opening a can of fucking worms!  What a joke.



Maybe we can pass a law, where anyone claiming that has to be willing to take one in the ass, to prove it?

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RE: gay Iranian asylum seeker - 3/14/2008 4:00:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Lucky that people are born in a place where they have a right to education and self improvement. Now they all fear the immigrants because they didn’t take the time to educate and self improve themselves when they had the chance. Didums because now they have to compete with immigrants for jobs. It strikes me that Iranians are usually quite well educated so I doubt he’ll end up on the welfare system somehow.

The west is capitalist society where you have to compete to stay ahead so why is it people think only they have the right to live in comfort here? Talk about hypocrisy. As for him being gay; yeah it probably is a ploy but didn’t you ever take advantage of the system to survive once? I mean no one here claimed married living allowance or child support benefit right? We all stand on our own feet here right and wouldn’t dream of claiming housing benefit etc.?

But but we are entitled to such things because our ancestors fucked over the rest of the world once upon a time in the distant past.

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RE: gay Iranian asylum seeker - 3/14/2008 5:05:08 AM   
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Well said.

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RE: gay Iranian asylum seeker - 3/14/2008 6:44:13 AM   
MissSCD


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Status: offline 		Glen Beck said it pretty straight last night.  He more or less stated that if we do not take care of everyone who is different from us, who is going to take care of us?  
 
If they ship him back, they are some sorry people.   We need to take action of some kind. If not our civilization as we know it is headed straight for hell.
 
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