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RE: Following BDSM Site Guidelines. - 3/1/2008 4:53:17 PM   
RCdc


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Unless you state what terms have been broken it's hard for anyone to comment on why they think people break such terms.


Well, Katy listed them, don't they open for you?
And I listed one - it's current - go look if you wish.  And if you don't get why people arent keeping in TOS by looking at the thread - then is that where the problem really lies?
 
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RE: Following BDSM Site Guidelines. - 3/1/2008 5:01:07 PM   
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My guess would be some don't know, some don't care, some make mistakes and some like to push boundaries.


Everyone makes mistakes, that's a given, Lord knows I do.
So, some people don't know, don't care, or are pushing boundries without 'consent' ( I now you are gonna dig that OG) - then can and should other people reading their words, put any faith in their advice?
 
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LOL re: "consent" 

People can place their faith wherever they choose to.  Rules are pushed everywhere, all the time.  It depends on what peoples' priorities are.  People rely on enforcers of rules to enforce them.  If you speed, you might get a ticket.  But people still speed. 

I think you're seeing more errors than anything.  I think people click that little box out of habit, without actually reading it.  You know, I've been spending the last couple of days registering Mr. Wonderful's website at every search engine under the sun and each one has a "Terms of Service" box they want you to click.  Were I to read 'em all, it would take me a month to do this job, at least.  So it's click click click and someone will warn me if I've done something blatantly wrong.

Human nature, at least Internet nature.

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RE: Following BDSM Site Guidelines. - 3/1/2008 5:01:55 PM   
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It is easier to give advice than to follow it.  People who have had to struggle with how hard it is to actually do the right thing in situations tend to give better advice, because they know how frikkin tough it is.


I agree Red - but what does struggle have to do with adhering to terms?

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So my, um, advice to you, dark, is: relax

Damn, I am having a 'Frankie' moment.  Wheres my T-shirt?

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This is not your problem -- unless you are one of the people you are talking about.


Wouldn't that be the height of ego! - I'm kind of ranting yeah - But I just wondered if people really do sign away shit without knowing what they are signing or is it that the terms are really that unclear?
In another breath, it is my problem if I go into a thread to expect a discussion on spanking, and my viewing matter is tainted by the subject of children being spanked.  Or going into a thread on religon and BDSM and having to endure posts of endless bigotry.  Yes, I get to click out, but by that point it's already too late.
 
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RE: Following BDSM Site Guidelines. - 3/1/2008 5:03:20 PM   
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My guess would be some don't know, some don't care, some make mistakes and some like to push boundaries.


Everyone makes mistakes, that's a given, Lord knows I do.
So, some people don't know, don't care, or are pushing boundries without 'consent' ( I now you are gonna dig that OG) - then can and should other people reading their words, put any faith in their advice?
 
the.dark.


Is the advice given on a perverts forum worthy of that much faith? Answers to questions are as varied as the personalities here. As in EVERY area of life, it is simply an expression of one persons opinion, not words direct from god/goddess/aloe vera plant/insert name.

I do agree that a lot of bitching and nastiness goes on, but we are all big boys and girls who have the option of blocking any posts/posters that they don't like or just not revisiting the thread that's upset them.

I DO understand that some violate TOS, but this is an adults forum, not a kindergarten. Maybe those who are unhappy with posters who ignore TOS should just block the offenders. If everyone who has been offended did this, the person would see that no one was reading their posts and stop doing it.

I personally like the diversity in most cases, and I mean diversity, not the nastiness.

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RE: Following BDSM Site Guidelines. - 3/1/2008 5:03:49 PM   
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 Yes, I get to click out, but by that point it's already too late.
 
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But you get to click "Report" on your way out. 

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RE: Following BDSM Site Guidelines. - 3/1/2008 5:05:33 PM   
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Ok, since...
You and I seem to be clashing quite often...
AND....
since the other day I posted something which you pointed out was against tos,
AND ....
because you brought up the other person I was having issues with today...
This
COULD BE
directed at me, (and perhaps at others)
I will answer it.
(if it wasn't please forgive my insolence in thinking so)
The reason *I* sometimes post against TOS is honestly because
I can't remember all of the TOS at ALL of the places I post.
Yes...of course, I should....but....I do not.
I have been spanked a couple of times by mod 11, and I have tried my best to follow her directions.
It is not because I don't care, nor because I think I can be 'submissive' in some places and not in others...
Nor is it because *I* don't think that the rules apply to me.
I am attempting to memorize a lot of law and other 'school' rules lately, HoneyMaster's rules, and the rules of the schools that the um's attend.
Sorry if I offended anyone.

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RE: Following BDSM Site Guidelines. - 3/1/2008 5:05:35 PM   
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So it's click click click and someone will warn me if I've done something blatantly wrong.

Human nature, at least Internet nature.


oooo...interesting!
Having shit done for you(generic).  I never thought of that option.  Is that the whole consumerism - .me.me.me./.now.now.now kinda thing?
 
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RE: Following BDSM Site Guidelines. - 3/1/2008 5:07:37 PM   
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I personally like the diversity in most cases, and I mean diversity, not the nastiness.


Agreed. 

"I totally disagree with your point of view" is different than "I think you're a complete idiot."

Then again, what is nasty is subjective.  That's why the TOS doesn't allow for direct, personal attacks but does allow for argument and debate.

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RE: Following BDSM Site Guidelines. - 3/1/2008 5:09:23 PM   
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Well, Katy listed them, don't they open for you?
And I listed one - it's current - go look if you wish.  And if you don't get why people arent keeping in TOS by looking at the thread - then is that where the problem really lies?
 
the.dark.


I was only really interested in what particular rules you feel have been broken. As the rules cover all kinds of things from topic content to treatment of others on the boards. Please clarify and then maybe I can give some kind of opinion as to why people break rules.
 
This is a bit vague at the moment and therefore I can't answer sorry. 

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RE: Following BDSM Site Guidelines. - 3/1/2008 5:11:33 PM   
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So it's click click click and someone will warn me if I've done something blatantly wrong.

Human nature, at least Internet nature.


oooo...interesting!
Having shit done for you(generic).  I never thought of that option.  Is that the whole consumerism - .me.me.me./.now.now.now kinda thing?
 
the.dark.

 
I think it's a natural reliance on laws to be enforced since as humans who might utilize up to 100+ websites a day, it is impossible to remember all the rules set out for us.  While I try to be aware of some obvious ones, I'm not going to know what every site I am using requires of me.

 

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RE: Following BDSM Site Guidelines. - 3/1/2008 5:17:54 PM   
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Absolutely hand on heart blushes... nope - not you at all.  I don't even remember who I have offered advice to regarding posting outside TOS - I'm not really 'aiming' this at anyone singularly in particular - just 'regulars' - that's me included - I'm not adverse to ranting at myself in the mirror.(Although they do say that is the first sign of madness, but I say - .whatheheck.)
 
I never aim anything at anyone without talking to them directly if I was wanting to be specific, as I did to you on the thread earlier today.  Theres no harm or foul - I said my piece and that was that.  I don't 'do' grudges - lifes far too short.  I'm just trying to get my head around the why.
 
I've been studying some business law recently - makes your head spin really - I couldn't run my business or do what I do without knowing the laws and how they effect me.  But I also wouldn't place my trust in a business that didn't know the laws - because that risks me and my affairs.
 
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RE: Following BDSM Site Guidelines. - 3/1/2008 5:21:18 PM   
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Wouldn't it be just so ironic if this thread turned into a flame war.

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RE: Following BDSM Site Guidelines. - 3/1/2008 5:30:58 PM   
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Is the advice given on a perverts forum worthy of that much faith?


Interesting musing.  I know my answer.

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Answers to questions are as varied as the personalities here. As in EVERY area of life, it is simply an expression of one persons opinion, not words direct from god/goddess/aloe vera plant/insert name.


Absolutely.

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I do agree that a lot of bitching and nastiness goes on, but we are all big boys and girls who have the option of blocking any posts/posters that they don't like or just not revisiting the thread that's upset them.


Well, that's a part of it I guess.  But bitching and shit does go on.  Glossing over obvious titfortat is easy unless there is a witch hunt, but thats thankfully rare.

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I DO understand that some violate TOS, but this is an adults forum, not a kindergarten. Maybe those who are unhappy with posters who ignore TOS should just block the offenders. If everyone who has been offended did this, the person would see that no one was reading their posts and stop doing it.


I don't block people because it's a waste of time.  I don't want my OP to become about certain posters, it isn't that at all.  It's not about bitchiness either - it is about discussing subjects or behaviour which the terms clearly state are nonos. It's not about being offended, if offense is all it is then leave ones diaper in the pale on the way out - it's about risking the site by not following the terms.
 
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RE: Following BDSM Site Guidelines. - 3/1/2008 5:33:04 PM   
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 But I also wouldn't place my trust in a business that didn't know the laws - because that risks me and my affairs.
 
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That's what a good insurance broker is for, lol.  Small business liability, General Liability, Errors & Commissions...you get the idea. 

Not trying to brush off your efforts, but even most businesses do not know the letter of the law.  They have attorneys, brokers, and consultants.

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RE: Following BDSM Site Guidelines. - 3/1/2008 5:34:44 PM   
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Wouldn't it be just so ironic if this thread turned into a flame war.


Ah, I love the smell of irony on a sunday morning...
 
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RE: Following BDSM Site Guidelines. - 3/1/2008 5:37:23 PM   
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That's what a good insurance broker is for, lol.  Small business liability, General Liability, Errors & Commissions...you get the idea. 

Not trying to brush off your efforts, but even most businesses do not know the letter of the law.  They have attorneys, brokers, and consultants.


Oh OG - go away... - leave me to my ranting and stop being a killjoy...
(.mumblesaboutOGhavingagoodpointanditsjustsounfair.) 


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RE: Following BDSM Site Guidelines. - 3/1/2008 5:40:56 PM   
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Hey.  Is that a personal attack?



Going now.  Buh bye!! 

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RE: Following BDSM Site Guidelines. - 3/1/2008 5:41:58 PM   
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RE: Following BDSM Site Guidelines. - 3/1/2008 5:43:33 PM   
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For me it's becuase I think the topics are still worth discussing.  Moderators aren't perfect, and minds can change.  Certain things might stick and others might not.  Worth the few people who would read it in the time that it's still out there to post a response.  I don't fight or get upset when they get torn down, but I'll take every advantage given to me.

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RE: Following BDSM Site Guidelines. - 3/1/2008 5:43:42 PM   
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Back atcha, babe. 

*skips off*

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