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Owner4SexSlave -> Emotional involvement and type of relationship. (1/30/2008 10:14:56 AM)

I hope this posting will somehow make sense to other people.   For awhile I have been going back and fourth in the thoughts about M/s relationships.

Should I find somebody who wants a deep emotional loving M/s relationship or not.   What messes with my mind, is that even the so called Non-Emotional relationships in fact often turn into emotional ones.

I'm not looking for a wife, nor for somebody to play part time vanilla girl friend and part time bedroom submissive/slave.   I've actually encountered sub/slaves that don't want to become wives nor be treated like girl friends as well.   I've also encountered those who want this, along with complete exclusive only relationship.  My mind is open to poly households, swinging and sharing.   I find it difficult to accept being with somebody who does not at least have an equally open mind regarding such things.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking or seeking a loveless relationship here either.  Emotions are important to me as well.   Sure, I would be committed to a long term 24/7 relationship without question.

It's been a bit of a bitch for my finding the right match though.  I feel like I'm in some area that's in between, those a. seeking a loveless don't care relationship or  b. a very exclusive relationship.

I'm not the cheater type and I'm not looking for somebody to cheat.  I'm looking for a good honest relationship, were human sexuality is out in the open, lived and explored.  Along with all the emotional aspects being out in the open and explored as well. 

Basically, I'm not looking for some unloyal run away slut that will do anybody and everybody behind my back who has no interests in emotional involvment.    I'm not looking for somebody who wants to become my wife that can't deal with the thoughts of threesomes, sharing or other activities with others.   I'm not looking to whore her out to everybody and their bother either.   Though I have encountered a few that would love to be whored out like this.

Hey Diddle Diddle, I'm having problems finding somebody who's somewhere in the middle of these two extremes.

Are there other people that go back and fourth in thoughts between these two extremes?  Have you been tempted in thoughts to settle for one or other, because you can't find somebody that's balanced in the middle?




IrishMist -> RE: Emotional involvement and type of relationship. (1/30/2008 10:23:28 AM)

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Have you been tempted in thoughts to settle for one or other, because you can't find somebody that's balanced in the middle?

NO, I would never, never...settle. Never.




ItalianSMistress -> RE: Emotional involvement and type of relationship. (1/30/2008 10:41:01 AM)

I tried to look at your profile, to get more of an idea of what you are asking for there, but it was blank.  If you look at Mine, I think we may be around the same idea.   I state, quite clearly, that I don’t want a boyfriend/girlfriend, just a slave.  I think it is very true that these type are harder to come by, in the meantime, I get flooded with messages from the ones that want to be live in, (even tho I clearly state that is NEVER an option).  I have never been a loving type of Domme, right off the bat, this was My style.  Its not something I choose, its just who I am.  I had one slave, for over four years, and he told Me at the beginning, he did not know how long he could last with someone cold like Me, as it was months before I showed him any kind of affection.  I do show affection, but in My own way, which is much different than most.  I have had many slaves that after a few sessions, decide they can not handle the way I am, even tho it is sad to see them go, I can not force something that does not come naturally. 
 
In My time, there was one slave I did become rather close to.  I had her just over five years, first, and at the beginning, I told her what I wanted, and she seemed to want the same thing.  About three years into the relationship, she started to change.  She wanted to move closer to Me, and even said she never thought she would ever want to live with someone again, but yet felt she wanted that with Me.  My opinion on a relationship like that never changed.  However, I did fight to allow Myself to show her more affection and such during the last year, although it was still very very hard for Me, I was able to do it.  As things went on, she became more and more dissatisfied with the arrangement.  I told her that was what she signed up for, (and she also knew she signed up for a Domme that does not bend or change her rules for anyone), and I will never forget what she said to Me.
 
“I know that, but I thought after five years, one day you would look into My eyes and change your mind.”
 
She was wrong.  It did not work out for much longer after that.  As My friend Shawn said, “people are not robots”.  I know that, but it does not change what I want, or who I am. 
 
So, that being said, if you settle for something you do not want, it will not work out.  And, quite frankly, you should not settle for anything less than what you want.  It is out there, it is just hard to find.  Like I have said in past posts, you have to have so many common interests for this to work, even more than in a “vanilla” relationship.  If you get into something that is not for you, someone is going to get hurt, and that, never turns out good. 
 
This, again, of course, is My opinon, based on My experiences. [;)]




lateralist1 -> RE: Emotional involvement and type of relationship. (1/30/2008 10:43:35 AM)

I am with what you are going through as I feel the same.
I want a committed romantic relationship with my sub but with leaving our options open for what the future might hold for us.
Never could stand the thought of a monogomous relationship til death us do part.
Lifes just not that simple.
However neither do I like the thought of any good relationship ending just because it doesn't necessarily fulfil every part of me or the other person.
Because quite simply good relationships are hard to find.
I think we should all be open to endless possibilities on our journety through life.




batshalom -> RE: Emotional involvement and type of relationship. (1/30/2008 10:43:41 AM)

While most will say they never settle, I'm sure we all have and many will continue to do so. I don't know what camp I'm in since I'm not looking at the moment.

If the main issue were one I could not possibly live with or without, I wouldn't be with someone with a dissimilar view in hopes that he or she would change to my pov. Things don't work like that (I have done that very thing in the past, which is why I know it doesn't work ... heh).

Finding someone open to poly sounds like the most relevent issue in your case. The rest sounds like it can be compromised. Or ... maybe not. If not, your wait is likely to be a much longer one but most likely worth it in the end (if your own wants and needs don't change in the meantime, in which case you have to step back a few squares).

So don't think of it as settling. Think of it as making good choices and agreements. Doms are in the control seat but when there's no sub to Dominate, what's the fun of being a Dom?




SoCurious2Feel -> RE: Emotional involvement and type of relationship. (1/30/2008 10:45:18 AM)

"Are there other people that go back and fourth in thoughts between these two extremes?  Have you been tempted in thoughts to settle for one or other, because you can't find somebody that's balanced in the middle?"

Yes.  Though my struggle is not exactly the same, there is still a struggle, but ultimately the decision for me is I'm not willing to settle.  If I think and feel this way, there must be someone who feels the same way. 

I will wait and continue to be the best that I can be, continue to improve my life, so that when he comes into my life - I'm completely ready for whatever road we may travel together.




Jeffff -> RE: Emotional involvement and type of relationship. (1/30/2008 10:46:13 AM)

Settling can only make you bitter.....and angry at yourself.....for settling

Jeff




AquaticSub -> RE: Emotional involvement and type of relationship. (1/30/2008 10:51:45 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner4SexSlave

Are there other people that go back and fourth in thoughts between these two extremes?  Have you been tempted in thoughts to settle for one or other, because you can't find somebody that's balanced in the middle?



In reality, I think finding a true "perfect" match is damn near impossible - if not impossible. But, I do think it's rather amazing how people can come together and find something about each other that makes them want to make things work.

Which probably isn't very helpful, but I think what I'm trying to say is to figure out what matters most to you (that she be a slave, not a wife or partner or that she be into poly) and try to build off that.




akisha -> RE: Emotional involvement and type of relationship. (1/30/2008 10:52:46 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff

Settling can only make you bitter.....and angry at yourself.....for settling

Jeff


Exactly

I also found that I started to resent my partner for not being what I needed.

It's a no win situation and everyone loses




CalifChick -> RE: Emotional involvement and type of relationship. (1/30/2008 10:52:54 AM)

Yes, we are out there, yes, it can be difficult to find.  But I usually bring it up pretty early on in the discussion.

Cali




Owner4SexSlave -> RE: Emotional involvement and type of relationship. (1/30/2008 10:56:29 AM)

Well, I'm open to 24/7 Live in with some emotional involvement and attachment.  Emotions happen with any relationship.  However, I have no room for high levels of selfish jealously either.

Basically, I do want to enjoy some threesomes.  Do want to experience others sexually from time to time, and I want her to experience the same as well.  So much easier to have this all out on the table.   Many people end up cheating on one another in relationships sooner or later, why not be open about sexuality to begin with.

I can even see myself in a poly situation, on a 24/7 basis.   Humans have the capacity to feel emotions for more then just one person.   Again, back to issues of selfish jealously for the most part.

I'm not looking for a relationship where I'm cold.  I'm actually a warm person and have a sense of humor.

I don't really have a problem with somebody wanting more from me emotionally, I just have an issue with the Uber Exclusives that many people feel they have to have.

True, I'm not looking for a wife nor a vanilla girl friend with kink per se.  However, even subs/slaves need warmth and affection from time to time.   Plus it's nice recieving warmth and affection from somebody, at least for me it is.




 





tricia -> RE: Emotional involvement and type of relationship. (1/30/2008 10:59:35 AM)

 





quote:

ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

In reality, I think finding a true "perfect" match is damn near impossible - if not impossible. But, I do think it's rather amazing how people can come together and find something about each other that makes them want to make things work.


Well said.  And so true.  Thank you.




MistressVnus -> RE: Emotional involvement and type of relationship. (1/30/2008 11:00:14 AM)

You are NOT alone.
I want a 24/7 slave.  Most think that means a very non-emotional relationship.  But, I get as enmeshed with my slave as they get to me.  However, I would never want them to confuse my kindess and affection for weakness, either.
I want someone with whom "we" can explore things that might involve other people.  But never behind each other's backs and all would be discussed before hand.  I want a slut but, not someone who is such a slut he has drank the piss of 50 other Mistresses before me..*sigh*  I wan't him to be "MY" slut.
I'm not real gung-ho on a poly household but, should someone come along we both really adore and fits our pre-discussed mold fairly well.  What the hey!!
I don't want someone who has been around in a manner that they are jaded but, I also dont want to train someone so new that they wake-up after 6 mo - 1 yr and say, "Hey, I think I want to be a Dom now."   grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

However, like you, I either get one extreme or the other.  I'm trying to be active without any expectations.  Hopefully, the right one will come along when I least expect it.




AquaticSub -> RE: Emotional involvement and type of relationship. (1/30/2008 11:03:21 AM)

This could be way off base but it might be your attitude towards jealousy that is part of the problem. I'm open to the idea of Valyraen getting another girl for him if he ever desires it and I'm open to the idea of threesomes - but I freely admit that I would probably get jealous. It may be selfish but I simply think I would. I'm willing to work through it and, if single, I'd be open to joining a poly relationship and doing everything I could to make it work. But I wouldn't be willing to do it with someone who views an emotion that I can't do a lot about, at least right now, so negatively.

I would guess that the number of women experienced in poly who are looking is fairly low. You may need to be willing to consider that a potential woman has to work through some emotional issues very similiar to how some women have to give themselves permission to surrender to a man.




CalifChick -> RE: Emotional involvement and type of relationship. (1/30/2008 11:04:17 AM)

Seriously... you have to be true to yourself.  Set the parameters of what you're comfortable with.  Personally, "no secrets, no lies" is one of mine.  Decide what you're comfortable with and what you're not, and what you are willing to negotiate on.  Then it will be easier to find what you seek.

For instance, I list myself as bisexual.  But having sex with women is not something on my "must have" list.  It's just nice ocassionally.  So if my One said, "I'm not comfortable with you having sex with women," then that would be okay with me.  Oh, for the record, he said, "how can we make sure you are getting your needs met?"

Cali




Owner4SexSlave -> RE: Emotional involvement and type of relationship. (1/30/2008 11:07:03 AM)

A couple more crazy thoughts...   the whole M/s dynamic if done right gives a deeper connection over a crazy half assed D/s relationship.   Another reason why I'm not really looking for a girl friend nor wife.  I suppose she could be viewed as a girl friend, however for me it's deeper compared to just bf/gf.   If that makes sense to everybody.  I suspect those that have not been in a deep D/s relationship yet, they can't fully make a comparison to understand where I'm coming from.








kyraofMists -> RE: Emotional involvement and type of relationship. (1/30/2008 11:08:32 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner4SexSlave
It's been a bit of a bitch for my finding the right match though.  I feel like I'm in some area that's in between, those a. seeking a loveless don't care relationship or  b. a very exclusive relationship.


These two things are not mutually exclusive.  You can have an exclusive relationship that is loveless and you can also have an extremely loving relationship that is not exclusive.

The relationship between the three of us is very loving, and passionate and we are all committed to our relationship.  However, we are not exclusive and definitely not monogamous. 

Knight's Kyra




AquaticSub -> RE: Emotional involvement and type of relationship. (1/30/2008 11:09:27 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner4SexSlave

A couple more crazy thoughts...   the whole M/s dynamic if done right gives a deeper connection over a crazy half assed D/s relationship.   Another reason why I'm not really looking for a girl friend nor wife.  I suppose she could be viewed as a girl friend, however for me it's deeper compared to just bf/gf.   If that makes sense to everybody.  I suspect those that have not been in a deep D/s relationship yet, they can't fully make a comparison to understand where I'm coming from.







And if done wrong doesn't have an ounce more meaning than a two day high school fling.

I don't see there as being a difference since some people choose not to use the terms master/slave for personal reasons.

But good luck.




MasterMataeo -> RE: Emotional involvement and type of relationship. (1/30/2008 11:11:11 AM)

I find the same problem,,
can never find exactly what i want either,, so i just wait ,,,
Marriage ,, well that on the other hand ,, is a good thing,, not nesscicatly  a leagle one ,, but  Common -law  if you will,,
the great LTR with the others joining at my okay for a session or a few,, and thus keeping the poly-style LTR open to thought,, but it takes a certian type of slave to understand this and really commit to such a relationship,,

In the End  only settle for what you want ,, not what you can get,,,you and the other will be much happier if you do

MM 





thetammyjo -> RE: Emotional involvement and type of relationship. (1/30/2008 11:11:26 AM)

You know, I've discovered that attempts to place safewords on one's or another emotional state is usually a set-up for failure.

I say go with someone who has similar moral, ethical, and activities needs, wants, and limits and then just see what emotions develop or not.




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