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cyberdude611 -> Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/2/2008 6:55:03 PM)

Britain went out of control on New Years Eve as thousands of calls flooded emergency services dealing with alcohol intoxication and fighting. Before 2008 even overcame England, hundreds of partygoers flooded the streets. Some people so drunk they collapse on the ground and not move. People were running around in nothing more than their underwear. Fights were breaking out. And people were throwing up all over the place.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=505497&in_page_id=1770

A man from Belgium said he had never seen so many people that drunk in his life.




Termyn8or -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/2/2008 9:44:51 PM)

Last Newyear I am on the phone with my Ma.

"So who all is in jail ?".

"Nobody".

"You guys are getting old".

You gotta let people party and go crazy once in a while. Hopefully everyone lived and made it to work in the next day or two.

T




LadyEllen -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/3/2008 2:36:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

You gotta let people party and go crazy once in a while. Hopefully everyone lived and made it to work in the next day or two.

T


The problem though T, is that here its not "once in a while" - its every weekend. The numbers may have been swollen by New Year, but the same scene is repeated all over the UK every Friday and Saturday night, in small towns and large cities.

We now have young people in their twenties, with severe liver damage that ten years ago was only seen in alcoholics in the latter part of their lives. Particularly young women.

We have hundreds of serious assaults every weekend, not to mention vandalism and general nuisance - all fuelled by boozing. And its not just one another the drinkers execute their stupidity on - but innocent bystanders, and worst of all on the ambulance crews and hospital staff who are trying to patch them up. And this isnt fist fights one on one - but cowardly attacks with a whole crowd kicking a single person half to death, people getting stabbed and especially prevalent - beer and other glasses being smashed into faces, resulting in lasting disfigurement.

I find it absolutely amazing - truly amazing, that we spend all our efforts on preventing every other drug but the most dangerous and vile from being used - whilst we promote over consumption of that most dangerous and vile drug.

I find it absolutely amazing - truly amazing, that we tolerate this behaviour through a justice system which is oh so concerned with the rights of outright idiots to do exactly as they please that they go unpunished.

I find it absolutely amazing - truly amazing, that drinking is held to be "cool" and wreaks havoc throughout our society, whilst anyone smoking is derided. Second hand smoke might be dangerous - but a lot less dangerous than a night out in a British city of a weekend, when the second hand booze will get you sooner or later.

E





seeksfemslave -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/3/2008 3:34:34 AM)

Steady on LadyE, I agree with your concern about the breakdown in Law and Order and especially about the restrictions imposed as a consequence of the so called effects of 2nd hand smoke...
But limiting alcohol....stop right there gal,  thats just going too far.
Price may well do it tho', its already about 20 quid a gallon.

Did you notice that Posh Spice looked distinctly queasy in pics. taken of her leaving a posh hotel.
David was there to help tho. lol




LadyEllen -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/3/2008 4:26:51 AM)

sorry Seeks, but I find nothing amusing about it, its causes or its effects

E




seeksfemslave -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/3/2008 5:38:29 AM)

I was serious too.
Millions more drink sensibly than get themselves "falling over" drunk.

I certainly think that the police/courts should take a much harder line when dealing with proven drunken obstruction/violence.




slaveboyforyou -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/3/2008 6:14:20 AM)

I'm a little curious as to why bars keep serving up alcohol when these people are obviously inebriated.  Do they not cut people off there?  Honestly, I think y'all would go a long way by holding tavern owners responsible for some of that shit.  They have successfully done that here with some drunk driving cases.  I am not trying to pass the buck on them.  I assume the people in these photos are adults; young adults but adults none the less.  Obviously, they should be held responsible.  Attacking EMTs, paramedics, and fireman is as serious as attacking a police officer here.  They will put your ass in jail for a long time for it.  That being said, common sense tells you not to keep pouring up the booze to someone that is falling down drunk.  If the bartenders are doing that, it is the bar owners' responsibility to put a stop to it.  If they don't, then maybe they should be paying some fines or having their license yanked. 

I also know that y'all still have a 18 year old minimum drinking age there.  Maybe it's time for y'all to consider raising it to 21 like we do here.  If the little bastards can't handle their drink responsibly, they shouldn't be allowed to have it. 




pahunkboy -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/3/2008 7:31:47 AM)

locally stabbings are in style. ild say meth is a problem here. i keep to myself so- i dont run into touble.  oh herion has made a come back- the new generation has no clue on its dangers. 




Politesub53 -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/3/2008 7:53:48 AM)

To think that the UK towns and cities are awash with violence week in week out is patently untrue. You cant believe all you read in Murdochs papers can you ?

The London Ambulance service said they dealt with 1,825 calls Near years eve/new years day. Considering there were an estimated 350,000 revellers in the City centre alone, and probably 5 times that at least, city wide. The number of call outs as a percentage was fairly small.

Yes we have a problem with binge drinking, but its not as bad as everyone makes out.




LadyEllen -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/3/2008 8:10:52 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

I'm a little curious as to why bars keep serving up alcohol when these people are obviously inebriated.  Do they not cut people off there?  Honestly, I think y'all would go a long way by holding tavern owners responsible for some of that shit.  They have successfully done that here with some drunk driving cases.  I am not trying to pass the buck on them.  I assume the people in these photos are adults; young adults but adults none the less.  Obviously, they should be held responsible.  Attacking EMTs, paramedics, and fireman is as serious as attacking a police officer here.  They will put your ass in jail for a long time for it.  That being said, common sense tells you not to keep pouring up the booze to someone that is falling down drunk.  If the bartenders are doing that, it is the bar owners' responsibility to put a stop to it.  If they don't, then maybe they should be paying some fines or having their license yanked. 

I also know that y'all still have a 18 year old minimum drinking age there.  Maybe it's time for y'all to consider raising it to 21 like we do here.  If the little bastards can't handle their drink responsibly, they shouldn't be allowed to have it. 


You see, this is where youre going wrong -
our inner cities and town centres are decaying, so we brought in this idea of a night time economy - fill the streets with pubs and clubs and get hundreds to come out as there's nothing else to do in the UK of a night time but booze. To induce high numbers, make the drink really cheap - give some away even, and keep selling and selling so that you can pay the high taxes demanded by local government for your pitch, and make a profit even though 80% of the cost to your customers is national government taxation. In short - the bar owners cant afford not to have binge drinking going on and the only people refused are those who start fighting - they get ejected and likely go elsewhere to continue tanking it down them.

Next, you ensure that buses stop running at 9pm, and restrict the number of taxi licences which are available, so that all these fuckwits who come rolling out of the clubs have to fight for a ride home, or walk miles (shouting, screaming and cursing at the top of their voices of course) through residential areas to get home.

The government are not interested in stopping all this - they get enormous revenues. The local authorities are not interested in stopping all this - they get enormous revenues too. The booze industry just says things like "enjoy (our particular brand of pisswater) responsibly" - whilst making said pisswater available at lower and lower real cost and at more places for longer periods - all with government backing.

The police would like to see it stopped, as would the other emergency services, but the government tells them what to do. The locals and those living on the stagger routes home would like to see it stopped, but we're just plebs who dont know what we're talking about. The medical profession is beside itself with warnings about the consequences - but you know, theyre just killjoys arent they? And the criminal justice system is crippled with the fact that its often the same people coming round again and again, no space in prisons despite early release schemes etc.

E




kdsub -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/3/2008 9:16:21 AM)

Hmmm hundreds of violent assaults or 1 or 2 shootings…maybe there is something to be said for the right to carry in the US.
Butch




pahunkboy -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/3/2008 9:32:21 AM)

murder rate is 37 year low in LA.




kdsub -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/3/2008 9:38:31 AM)

Yes violent crimes are down in St. Louis too since the right to carry became law.




LadyEllen -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/3/2008 9:54:45 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

Hmmm hundreds of violent assaults or 1 or 2 shootings…maybe there is something to be said for the right to carry in the US.
Butch


Interesting

I'd venture to say that if we had such a right, there'd be wild west style gunfights every weekend, instead of kickings, glassings and stabbings - all participants being pissed out of their heads, its unlikely anyone actually in the gunfight would be hit, but there'd surely be plenty of casualties.

On the other hand, one might venture to say that this problem drinking and behaviour is at least partly the result of successive policies to remove any sense of personal responsibility and self discipline from the British people - this being taken over by the nanny state we have here - which removals include the right to have a firearm - nanny knows how best to order your lives, so you can be naughty children within her rules and it will be OK.

You can drink all you like. But heaven help you if you light up

E




seeksfemslave -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/3/2008 10:16:31 AM)

LadyE: I detect you are speaking with some personal or family difficulty, past or present, as the driving force.
Politesub's assessment is more accurate IMO.

We definitely dont want citizens given the right to carry fire arms, or any weapon for that matter.




Stephann -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/3/2008 10:30:15 AM)

For what it's worth, the right to carry doesn't always extend to bars.

In Missouri (where St Louis is located) it's a felony to carry a firearm while intoxicated.

Stephan






seeksfemslave -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/3/2008 10:46:46 AM)

Good.




RCdc -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/3/2008 11:13:34 AM)

Meh.
I don't go for the whole scare mongering tactics of papers such as the *snigger* daily mail.  I personally don't see how it has become any 'worse' in recent years, its more that there is more reporting on it, possibly that there is more 'freedom' in that people don't hide it anymore, but no worse than when I was a teen.  So I will go with what politeone says.
 
the.dark.




cyberdude611 -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/3/2008 11:45:36 AM)

But I've never understood the point of getting so drunk that you dont even remember the night, you vomit, you pass out cold, and then drag through the next day with one hell of a hangover.

I just fail to see the enjoyment in that....




RCdc -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/3/2008 12:31:59 PM)

And some people cannot understand the enjoyment of being beaten so hard that you sink into some out of body thang or almost comotosed and gain some sort of sexual stimulation.  Or smoking.  Or taking a drug.  Or playing a MMorpg 24 hours straight.  Everyone has their addictions, their 'wayoflife' or their ways of dealing (or not dealing) with shit.  I just don't believe it is really any worse than it was 20 odd years ago, bar the fact that it's more easily reportable.
 
the.dark.




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