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Lucylastic -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/3/2008 2:28:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

Meh.
I don't go for the whole scare mongering tactics of papers such as the *snigger* daily mail.  I personally don't see how it has become any 'worse' in recent years, its more that there is more reporting on it, possibly that there is more 'freedom' in that people don't hide it anymore, but no worse than when I was a teen.  So I will go with what politeone says.
 
the.dark.

 
I left the UK just before the opening hours of the pubs were changed to all day, and that was 20 years ago, but I certainly remember, only too well that weekend booze hunt, just walking down the main highstreet after the pubs tossed out , you could see exactly the same behaviour as described in the article,
 Ive done some of the same things,  and certainly seen all of them on a regular weekend, many many many times. Ive travelled home on the tube in skimpies(not a pleasant sight), Ive seen and been in more than a few bar/club fights with bottles, glasses and machetes and flick knives...
As Dark said, I think there is more reporting now, , maybe as a result of the CCTV, also an extra abundance of larger clubs and bars, but when I was in that phase of my life, it seemed the cops wouldnt be called unless there was blood, a weapon or an assault.
But still to this day nothing worried me more than being in the middle (by accident this time) of an almost riot on saturday afternoon after a football game with rival fans, fighting in the street, it seemed there were thousands of the buggers. Well there was that time in Brixton...and Margate.....and....aaaaaaaaaaah memories of a mispent youth.
Lucy




rosanegra -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/3/2008 2:45:12 PM)

It is possible to drink... even get drunk...without being a public nuisance. Now I will admit, alcohol poisoning is definitely a problem when it requires wasting resources that are better spent on people who need help for something they didn't cause themselves... But an especially high number of people drink and get drunk on new years without causing problems for others. My husband and I were at a party next door and despite being inebriated we made sure everyone had space to sleep off the effects of what they'd been drinking, and no one drove while intoxicated, nor did anyone get violent or cause a disturbance in the neightborood... and trust me, there were a number of us who had far surpassed "tipsy," or, "buzzed."

Of course I also think that people exaggerate the effects of alcohol on judgement... Alcohol has never impaired my judgement so much as to do something that might be harmful or irritating to another person.




seeksfemslave -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/3/2008 3:25:10 PM)

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LucyLastic
Well there was that time in Brixton...and Margate.....and....aaaaaaaaaaah memories of a mispent youth.

Football riots in Brixton and Margate. he he he he he he he
Everybodies stoned in Brixton
and asleep in Margate.

Now Millwall where ever that is...tread carefully and wear the right coloured scarf.




Lucylastic -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/3/2008 3:46:57 PM)

nah nah nah , margate and brixton ....that wasnt the football fans, .....different yobs :)
Millwall fans are the scariest, well they used to be.
Laffin
Lucy




Politesub53 -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/3/2008 3:52:35 PM)

Hey i went to school in Brixton ! 





missturbation -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/3/2008 4:02:10 PM)

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Britain went out of control on New Years Eve as thousands of calls flooded emergency services dealing with alcohol intoxication and fighting.

Far from an excuse but it has to be remembered that people who usually do not go out drinking will quite often venture out on new years eve. Its these people that quite often are the ones who cause trouble, fall ill etc because they are not used to the alcohol consumption.
 
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I'm a little curious as to why bars keep serving up alcohol when these people are obviously inebriated.  Do they not cut people off there? 

Some pubs do, some don't. Remember it is not always possible to tell who is drunk and who is not. People react to alcohol in different ways.
 
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Honestly, I think y'all would go a long way by holding tavern owners responsible for some of that shit.

We can be held responsible. If it can be proved the person who is ill, caused trouble etc was  in my pub last i can be held accountable for his actions etc.
 
I run a pub and over the whole of christmas i had three incidents. One was a group of customers snorting coke in my toilet. One was a young lad who was SOBER that didnt want to leave when i requested him too and he threw a glass at my window. The other was a brawl over within five minutes when tempers ran high over a locals death.
 
Not all incidents on a weekend are caused by drunk people, a lot are sober and just out for trouble.
 




MasDom -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/3/2008 4:23:03 PM)

I say legalize pot already...

Their I said something cheeky, and theres not a damn nothing you can do about it.
 
Look england has more then just the alcohol to blame for its new way of main stream to the youth.
 Its a culture were the Dominance over its people has led to a sub culture.
One were as that like all subcultures looses its focus, and just becomes an abstract.

You cant just blame the whiskey, when if given something better people tend to calm down.
But like a wound that needs fresh blood to heal, some times you need to cut a Lil deeper before it finally scabs over.

This is just a social way for long term societies to render flesh when needed.
Only odd thing is why they need be so distant from the real connection, but I blame us for not being political enough.
Oddly in England's case doesn't matter either way.
Thats how punk rock was made...Live with it...







Aneirin -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/4/2008 6:25:20 AM)

It would seem most of Europe knows the British and what they can be like with alcohol, even in other parts of the world.I experinced this in Dubai one Xmas, it was such that the British Marines which were in town had such a reputation that hotels and bars had notices saying 'No British Forces'.

In town was also a US warship, a carrier I think, it's crew were also ashore and one evening I entered a bar which was by the sounds heaving with revellers.In the small foyer of the bar was a table where sat two US shore patrol who seeing myself and my party were not US crew, welcomed us and asked us to have a good evening.

Entering the bar, the raucous crowd which had every table and available standing room actually parted to let us through and up to the bar.Apparently the raucous behaviour was not a drunk behaviour, quite surprising. On getting a drink, nowhere to sit until a party of US servicemen asked us if we would like the seating they were occupying and there got up so we could sit.All this done with calm politeness and courtesy, I was very surprised, but also very impressed with the behaviour of these US servicemen.

Now, I understand the prescence of shore patrol might have been something to do with the behaviour or maybe not, the SP's physical stature was nothing to worry about, so it was,nt two big bruisers capable of knocking heads.

I just admired the US crew letting their hair down, enjoying themselves, having a few beers but being totally in control of themselves when it came to others. I know full well if the crew there were British servicemen, it would have been a quick turn around and exit fast as British and booze is a lethal mix.

I attended a British forces party on a few occaisions, not really my scene, but I went now and again.One particular night it got out of hand so the military police dog handlers were there and policy was just send the dog in to restore order, a four legged shark with a loud bark.That night the dog was thrown out of the window, ground floor, but the dog had had no effect, dog was ok, but a bit surprised and the police scared, looking to their OIC for 'what to do next'.

A bit long winded, but I hope to say that British do have a problem with drink and what they do on drink, maybe it is because we were a fighting nation, maybe it was because British have trouble expressing themselves and need stimulus to let go, who knows, but real research should be done into why we are like it, not restrict things, a case of 'if we cannot behave, we will take it away', that will do nothing.I do believe media does cause a problem to sometimes be over represented for want of selling stories.

But it is odd the looks and sometimes abuse a person gets for lighting a cigarette by mistake in a bar, when people are there clearly drunk.Who is wrong, the person making the mistake or the people that have drunk too much being abusive to a stranger?

I think alcohol is a bigger danger than smoking, but it is an accepted danger, as I suppose being cynical, the government makes money from people drinking.




seeksfemslave -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/4/2008 6:43:24 AM)

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That night the dog was thrown out of the window, ground floor, but the dog had had no effect, dog was ok, but a bit surprised and the police scared, looking to their OIC for 'what to do next'.

I think some considerate squaddie was worried the dog might get hurt in the brawl.
We are a nation of dog lovers after all.

I've seen both Brit. and Yank MP's and if they approached me I would do as  I was told.




EvilGenie -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/4/2008 7:34:51 AM)

~FR~

This is not just a New Year's occurance for the UK it is all the time. I lived there 5 years and became so fed up with drunk people and children drinking alcopops everywhere, I mean 10-15 yrs old. The great piss up! Nearly everyone I knew said ''any occasion, or not, for a piss up will do.''  It is rather quite sad to be driving down a major street pretty much anywhere there and witness the drunk men, women, boys, and girls half dressed along with the amount of litter they generate. Myself not being very much of a drinker, became even less so after watching this. You can't drive your car over a few kmph for fear of hitting someone and having to wade through the slowly, if ever, parting crowd. It is also quite sad that nothing else can be found to do other than to drink one's self into a near coma.

One night while driving back from Metro Centre (a shopping mall) a car crossed the median and went on it's roof in front of me. One girl pinwheeled out of the car window, the remainder inside. I pulled 4 19 year olds out of the car, used their shirts and whatever I could find to stem bleeding and held the wrist of the one on the road until she died. They had been out and were on their way to Newcastle to continue. They never made it. UK drinking differs a great deal from the rest of Europe and even America IMO and all over UK television is a count of the number of units people are drinking along with the number of safe units per week. In Europe babies in some places are fed watered down wine to drink and these countries do not have the drinking problem of the UK. Not to say nobody parties there, but it is widely known throughout the UK and Europe that the UK has a definite singular problem with alcohol. We didn't hear much of this in the US. We did occasionally hear of the resort towns in Europe who had to gear up when the Brits were going to arrive to try to keep some sort of peace and order. Just think of a violent spring break every day and upped on the weekends. Many British football fans are blacklisted from going to a game in other parts of Europe due to the deplorable behaviour when drinking.

Yes the above can happen anywhere though not in such mass quantity as I witnessed living in the UK. I couldn't go anywhere even in the morning without people drinking and young people (not only the young) dying outside of pubs having been beaten to death. I saw some of the worse person to person violence that I have witnessed anywhere in the world in the UK due to booze. You don't need a gun there. Just be in the wrong pub at the wrong time. I found it the most disturbing part of living in the UK.




Aneirin -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/4/2008 9:18:11 AM)

Yes, and to think the idiot who was prime minister last in the UK actually extended licensed drinking hours in the vain hope that by being more like Europe in their ways, we might moderate ourselves , yeah, that worked-not!

Or was it really about claiming more tax?




Politesub53 -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/4/2008 10:49:01 AM)

EvilGenie.... You need to check your facts before spouting off. Firstly the world murder rate is lower in the Uk than in the US. So much for the "Worst person to person violence. "

http://www.geocities.com/dtmcbride/reference/crime_world.html

Secondly check the rate of drink driving deaths in the USA compared to the UK. In 2005 there were over 16,000 drink drive deaths in the US and 580 in the UK..... Given you have three times the population, that gives you a figure of 5000. Hmmmm ten times as many.

You compare your experiences of Newcastles Big Market against where in America ? That as ludicrous as me comparing my ( very enjoyable ) 4 days on Bourbon Street to my town back home. Football violence is worse in several European countries than here, Holland and Italy for a start..... As for the following...

"  I couldn't go anywhere even in the morning without people drinking and young people (not only the young) dying outside of pubs having been beaten to death  "

WTF.... i have only seen one such incident in 55 years of life. Mostly living in an inner city area of London....... Please let me know where these mass murders were taking place.




philosophy -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/4/2008 10:53:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: EvilGenie
I couldn't go anywhere even in the morning without people drinking and young people (not only the young) dying outside of pubs having been beaten to death.


......i think this may be a teensy exaggeration.......along the lines of a Brit suggesting that you can't go to the US without tripping over the bodies of children shot by their peers in school.......yes, bad things happen and each culture has their own peculiar brand of badness that is less prevalent in other countries.





missturbation -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/4/2008 2:03:04 PM)

Sheesh evilgenie, way to exagerate lol.
I've worked in pubs and clubs for 17 years and have never witnessed what you claim happens every day. Surely in 17 years if it happened in the frequency you mention i would have been unlucky enough to witness one incident by now !!
Yes customers fight, yes people get drunk but worst ive seen is glassing. Not pleasant by any shot but certainly not the level of violence you claim happens all the time.




RCdc -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/4/2008 3:15:13 PM)

I agree with misst - having worked in the pub trade myself I have never come across such OTT behaviour.  On the whole, those who do push their drink limits are usually the people you can reason with -  even joke with in a friendly way and it's the non drunks that are the problem, or more often - those you end out chucking out because they are using the toilet tops to line.[:'(]  Coke users are way more hassle than the intoxicated.
 
the.dark.




seeksfemslave -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/4/2008 3:37:32 PM)

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Philosophy
......i think this may be a teensy exaggeration.......


Gee Philosophy when you are aroused you are positively dangerous. he he he he he he he




philosophy -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/4/2008 3:40:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

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Philosophy
......i think this may be a teensy exaggeration.......


Gee Philosophy when you are aroused you are positively dangerous. he he he he he he he


...just carrying on the tradition of British understatement.......stiff upper lip, keep a straight bat, chin chin.......[:D]




FullCircle -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/4/2008 3:47:58 PM)

They had barriers across the various piers along the River Thames, so I am wondering don’t the Government believe in natural selection anymore?[8|]




RCdc -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/4/2008 3:54:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

WTF.... i have only seen one such incident in 55 years of life. Mostly living in an inner city area of London....... Please let me know where these mass murders were taking place.


.Walford.[sm=biggrin.gif]
 
the.dark.




FullCircle -> RE: Britain partygoers go out of control on New Years (1/4/2008 3:56:34 PM)

55? damn you look much younger[;)][;)]




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