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RE: more than half of new jobs go to migrants - 11/1/2007 3:05:18 AM   
seeksfemslave


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. our future will not rely on the manufacture and sale of widgets.

Thats why our future prospects are so bleak. IMO.

Widgets amongs many other things include....
Massive cranes and civil engineering machinery in general
Automatic robots used in assembly
Computors used dare I say it by the "heads I win tails you lose" spivs in the city

The only real widgets there are the spivs lol

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RE: more than half of new jobs go to migrants - 11/1/2007 3:18:29 AM   
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I never said we would cease making any of those things. Just that we would not rely on doing so. It's not a zero sum equation.

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RE: more than half of new jobs go to migrants - 11/1/2007 4:54:01 AM   
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I suspect you work in the City. If so stop playing your part in fleecing the public. eg the Dot Com boom bust. Open your eyes and you will see we stopped making such things years ago.

We are doomed I tell you doomed lol

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RE: more than half of new jobs go to migrants - 11/1/2007 5:14:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen


........- and any native manufacturing - the innovative Dyson company for instance, is shipped abroad. How in heck does this make any sense at all?......







I remember when Dyson started his innovative manufacturing, it started as a small company, where he himself said that he was providing work for skilled people in this country, he was interested in Britain and what it could do. Now it has become a world success, he has had to lay off those skilled workers that built his product and name and move the business to the far east.

Now this maybe because he has found it uneconomical to believe in Britain or he is in it for the wealth, either way, more British ingenuity leaving for foreign shores. Something is going very wrong in this country!

As to our skills, and we are/were highly skilled, if it is not financial or medical it is worth peanuts.Many of the trades have gone, making way for the new cyber age, a sad loss by a throw away society.

I was a highly skilled electro mechanical engineer, I could repair anything from cranes to kettles and sometimes make the parts needed if none were available. After many years I left that business because of the long hours, filthy conditions in all weathers and the low pay, not even making the average wage.I am from a type of people that like to repair things not throw them away, we used to repair everything, products designed and built with the possibility of repair in mind, quality goods built to a high standard often built in this country, the US or Europe. Now we depend on cheap far eastern goods designed to be thrown away thus ensuring future sales for the manufacturers in those countries but with the world and our current obsession about dwindling resources is it such a good idea.Are we in the future when resources have dwindled so much that the cheap things become expensive going to be stuck with poor quality goods that regularly break down and no one skilled enough to repair them. Maybe if that happenswe will get another wave of foreign workers from those lands of cheap foreign goods to repair the machines that fail because they will have the skills, the skills we once had.

This country is cutting it's own throat.

Now, me, I am retraining to become an artist blacksmith/metalsmith . A one time common trade now in a position of such scarcity that the wage potential is far higher than anything I could have made as a highly skilled and knowledgeable repair engineer. Now is a time to pick up those so called obselete trades.


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RE: more than half of new jobs go to migrants - 11/1/2007 5:30:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RealityLicks

LE, actually, he was extremely selective in which of my points he answered. Some answers were good granted, some were just "well, I prefer it in Belgium" which is more an opinion in my book.

I'm not saying that everything is perfect here.  What I am saying is two-fold:

1, we must be doing something right if we have the world's fifth largest economy.

2. our future will not rely on the manufacture and sale of widgets.

The view from your perspective is necessarily partial. What we export most lucratively now doesn't always leave the country in trucks and containers. It's expertise. It's ideas. It's speculative investment. All the Chinese companies that export here have British partners, I'll stake money.

Why do 350,000+ young French people live in the UK, with 15,000 of their compatriots joining them every year? These are mostly graduates in their 20's and 30's. What do they see that you don't? (and that's an old figure - its almost certainly gone up).

Thing is, no-one is really in control. They only wish they were. But to blame anyone (gov'ts, bosses) is to accord them more status than they own.


Hi

We may have the world's fifth largest economy. But this seems to be based on a very narrow range of activities is my problem - many of which are easily transferable, which would send us spiralling down the charts. The main earners for the UK as a whole appear to be banking and financial services - easily transferable, and oil production and processing - a resource which by all accounts is set to disappear. But I will give the media aspect, where we are a world leader - but do we really think that more than a handful of people compared to the population, can earn from that?

My next problem is that whilst yes, Chinese exporters have partners here, what they are earning in terms of national wealth is very little - and very little in terms of the proportion of the money involved, since all they provide is peripheral services which necessarily must earn less than the products' value. If we see the UK as a household, then what we are essentially doing is eating Chinese takeaway every night, but not going out to work to earn the money to pay for it, rather we are slowly handing over the keys to our house by way of the credit we are running up with the takeaway. We're happy for now - we eat well every night. The Chinese are happy - they have payment forthcoming. But unless we are earning the wealth to pay in cash, we shall lose our house.

My issue is that we need a balanced economy which does not leave us exposed to the whims of international commerce as we are now. If our EU competitors can achieve this, then I wonder why we cannot given all the innovation and expertise at our disposal?

The reason for young French workers being here is twofold at least; French employment laws which protect workers and make employers reluctant to take people on, and the language aspect - which is a driver which brings all manner of immigrants here; the ability to speak English as the language of worldwide business being highly prized - makes one wonder why we dont do more of it ourselves.

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